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Interesting New Competitor For SX 200
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jimr
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I wouldn't consider that a competitor, no manual controls, no IS, minimum macro 15cm... I could go on.
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SX200IS test gallery - http://www.flickr.com/photos/pf66/sets/72157615954916928/
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SX200IS test gallery - http://www.flickr.com/photos/pf66/sets/72157615954916928/
jimr
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thinner....
carlisimo
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I'm happy with my SX200 because of its manual controls and awesome macro, but for those don't who don't use them the sheer size difference makes the Casio very attractive. Even if reviews show its image quality to be a little worse than the Canon, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Casio to my non-enthusiast friends.
jimr
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by previous history.
JJJRRR768
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But Jim, you have not yet touched the Ricoh, how would you know if it is good for you? For me it sure seems good.
jimr
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comparison at all. That is why we rely on professional testers ...not you..not me...who actualy test and use many cameras and have the extensive experience needed to compare. You may love your Ricoh and be very happy with it. That is just fine. But you have no basis to compare the Ricoh's IQ to the Canon or Panny or Fuji. The pros are not perfect..but that at least can give us a comparative IQ evaluation based upon first hand user experience with ALL of the competiitive cameras (and not just a 10 minute handling in a store).. You don't have that experience and expertise nor do I.
You can love your Ricoh...but you do not know if the IQ of the Canon or Panasonic or others would put your Ricoh to shame in an 8 X 10 etc....You do not have the first hand experience to know.
Spending $369 for a camera that cannot produce very good quailty 8 x 10 prints when other cameras can do so is money not well spent. That basically is what http://www.dcresource.com leads us to believe about the Ricoh...no matter how nice the camera feels..IQ is the first thing to judge a camera by.
You can love your Ricoh...but you do not know if the IQ of the Canon or Panasonic or others would put your Ricoh to shame in an 8 X 10 etc....You do not have the first hand experience to know.
Spending $369 for a camera that cannot produce very good quailty 8 x 10 prints when other cameras can do so is money not well spent. That basically is what http://www.dcresource.com leads us to believe about the Ricoh...no matter how nice the camera feels..IQ is the first thing to judge a camera by.
JJJRRR768
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Well Jim, I have owned many F fuji cams, I have tried many cannons in my search as well as the Panasonic LX when it first came out...so I have had hands on with a few cams...no not some of the ones you are talking about, have you?
I have found the reviews while giving a good starting place lack really going into what I will find as I use a camera for any extended amount of time. When I bought my F11 and F30 these were low light wonders, still are, but what to do in bright sunlight. This I had to find out for myself. All of the new cameras have much to offer, some offer more than others but until you get one in your hands you will not know what it offers for you. If you play with one and like it, buy it and make it your own. To just use reviews as gospel (and I used to) is shorting yourself of an experience with what may be a great camera for you.
Good luck in your search.
I have found the reviews while giving a good starting place lack really going into what I will find as I use a camera for any extended amount of time. When I bought my F11 and F30 these were low light wonders, still are, but what to do in bright sunlight. This I had to find out for myself. All of the new cameras have much to offer, some offer more than others but until you get one in your hands you will not know what it offers for you. If you play with one and like it, buy it and make it your own. To just use reviews as gospel (and I used to) is shorting yourself of an experience with what may be a great camera for you.
Good luck in your search.
I agree with this sentiment. The reviews also often use the cameras in their 'out of the box' state which maybe fine for a camera that is factory set to be optimal with few manual controls, but not so for one which needs more tweaking to get the best performance.
My personal camera choice has always been based around looking through real life examples more, especially where people have used a camera in the kind of situations that I plan on using it.
My personal camera choice has always been based around looking through real life examples more, especially where people have used a camera in the kind of situations that I plan on using it.
jimr
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As of now I have seen nothing to put the Ricoh as the camera of choice. No HD video. 28mm to 200mm vs. 25mm to 300mm. A number of sample images that you have posted show a meter that is mislead under what appear to be not difficult circumstances. The DR of a number of the images is also not very good.
All in all...I have seen nothing on the forums, nor in picture samples, nor in specifications to put the Ricoh in anyway the equal of the Canon and Panasonic directly competitive models. Beyond the subject handling ergonomic judgement, the Ricoh falls short. Add the dcresource test and it just doesn't show promise.
Please show me a good reason to prefer the Ricoh beyond subjective handling....
All in all...I have seen nothing on the forums, nor in picture samples, nor in specifications to put the Ricoh in anyway the equal of the Canon and Panasonic directly competitive models. Beyond the subject handling ergonomic judgement, the Ricoh falls short. Add the dcresource test and it just doesn't show promise.
Please show me a good reason to prefer the Ricoh beyond subjective handling....
JJJRRR768
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Jim , I could not show you anything as your mind is made up, nor do I care to....but saying that how can you discount the pictures of nickpix an others. I was very open, I am a novice with the camera, I am at the point of understanding just a bit about it. As far as video for me it is a waste on a digicam, my thoughts, only mine. As far as a 25 to 300 making this the product of choice for the panny, that is your criteria. Again, good luck, I think the panny is calling you.
JJJRRR768
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Jim, you are a funny guy. I have admitted to being a hack, a learner of a new camera, if I did not have bad pictures now I would be surprise, how can you judge a camera from my poor pictures when I have admitted I did not know what I was doing.
you can criticize the CX1 because of an over exposed picture I took using a plus EV when I should have been using a -, even though I admitted my error, but it is not the cameras fault.....I think you find great pleasure in putting this camera down because and on the Ricoh forum to boot, poor form is about all you have shown.Since it does not suit you just move away from it. Some cameras are not for all people. For instance, I think the new panny (that you love but have not used) with the 25 to 300 zoom is probably a fine cam but for me I would be concerned with the long zoom and IQ. I think the Fuji F200 is a wonderful camera but I am not sure it is enough more than my beloved F30 (although the 24-140 is certainly advantageous). I think the Canon G10 is probably a very good and maybe a magnificent camera, just too big for me, and I think the Leica LX3 and the Ricoh GX200 and 100 are probably great cameras, but for me at this time I want a bit longer lens. I may decide to get one of these in the near future once I get the CX1 to operate for me that way I want it to, it is about my inability to have mastered it, and I will. But for someone to rule a camera out because I took a picture with blown highlights is probably the most stupid thing I can think of...first of all I have described myself as a hack, second of all, if you have not handled a camera how can you know. When I shoot my Fuji side by side with my CX there are things they each do better, maybe later it will not be an issue, it really is not much of one now. From what I have read about the GX and the LX the LX uses more aggressive noise reduction, but I am not opposed to that, I have not handled either so I could not say which might work for me, if either. In any even, I truly wish you the best of luck in finding your ultimate camera, for me the beast does not exist. I would hope you can stop putting down other cameras to people that have chosen and enjoy them, it really is poor form and makes you look silly.
BTW, I think if you really want a reason to rule the CX in or out you need to try one out yourself, if you cannot appreciate one after some of the very fine pics on the ricoh site I would expect you never will.
My best
you can criticize the CX1 because of an over exposed picture I took using a plus EV when I should have been using a -, even though I admitted my error, but it is not the cameras fault.....I think you find great pleasure in putting this camera down because and on the Ricoh forum to boot, poor form is about all you have shown.Since it does not suit you just move away from it. Some cameras are not for all people. For instance, I think the new panny (that you love but have not used) with the 25 to 300 zoom is probably a fine cam but for me I would be concerned with the long zoom and IQ. I think the Fuji F200 is a wonderful camera but I am not sure it is enough more than my beloved F30 (although the 24-140 is certainly advantageous). I think the Canon G10 is probably a very good and maybe a magnificent camera, just too big for me, and I think the Leica LX3 and the Ricoh GX200 and 100 are probably great cameras, but for me at this time I want a bit longer lens. I may decide to get one of these in the near future once I get the CX1 to operate for me that way I want it to, it is about my inability to have mastered it, and I will. But for someone to rule a camera out because I took a picture with blown highlights is probably the most stupid thing I can think of...first of all I have described myself as a hack, second of all, if you have not handled a camera how can you know. When I shoot my Fuji side by side with my CX there are things they each do better, maybe later it will not be an issue, it really is not much of one now. From what I have read about the GX and the LX the LX uses more aggressive noise reduction, but I am not opposed to that, I have not handled either so I could not say which might work for me, if either. In any even, I truly wish you the best of luck in finding your ultimate camera, for me the beast does not exist. I would hope you can stop putting down other cameras to people that have chosen and enjoy them, it really is poor form and makes you look silly.
BTW, I think if you really want a reason to rule the CX in or out you need to try one out yourself, if you cannot appreciate one after some of the very fine pics on the ricoh site I would expect you never will.
My best
jimr
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The Ricoh costs around the same price and yet lacks anything that makes it better than the competition. The competition has a number of features that make them more capable...from lens coverage to video quality. Even IF the IQ were the same.,..the Ricoh has no reason to be chosen over either the Canon or the Panasonic. It has no outstanding feature above the others. The others all have features that put them above the Ricoh. If the Ricoh sold for $250...it would at least have a price advantage. It doesn't even have that. And..yes...even a novice should have produced pictures with better DR and a more reliable meter that could cope with some of the scenes that you posted without requiring EV compensation to be needed.
The Ricoh costs around the same price and yet lacks anything that makes it better than the competition. The competition has a number of features that make them more capable...from lens coverage to video quality. Even IF the IQ were the same.,..the Ricoh has no reason to be chosen over either the Canon or the Panasonic. It has no outstanding feature above the others. The others all have features that put them above the Ricoh. If the Ricoh sold for $250...it would at least have a price advantage. It doesn't even have that. And..yes...even a novice should have produced pictures with better DR and a more reliable meter that could cope with some of the scenes that you posted without requiring EV compensation to be needed.
JJJRRR768
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Jim, I would love to see some of your pictures.
jimr
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the competition?? I can list those both Canon and Panasonic have over the Ricoh. Even the new Casio has a price advantage and is thinner ($299 MSRP...probably selling for $279. Ricoh... $369 for what advantage????
JJJRRR768
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Really Jim, I would love to see what you have. I can pull out many I have that are worthy of posting, I have chosen to put up things I know are not great just to show my learning curve. I have read many of your posts but seen nothing of your hobby, let us see some of your pics, since some of these features are so important to you lets see what you did with your current or last camera.
So again, I asked to see your pics, not to be told about the competition, I know what they have, do you think I would buy a camera without researching or trying or both to see what meets my needs. Price is your issue, it was not mine, you can list as many things as you want, but your pictures would be of interest.
Thanks again
I think i have responded to many of your off the all posts and tried to be fair with you and give you the benefit of the doubt.. I think I will refrain from responding your your posts, as provocative as they try to be.
Good luck, get the worm on your hook.
So again, I asked to see your pics, not to be told about the competition, I know what they have, do you think I would buy a camera without researching or trying or both to see what meets my needs. Price is your issue, it was not mine, you can list as many things as you want, but your pictures would be of interest.
Thanks again
I think i have responded to many of your off the all posts and tried to be fair with you and give you the benefit of the doubt.. I think I will refrain from responding your your posts, as provocative as they try to be.
Good luck, get the worm on your hook.
JJJRRR768
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http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1013
called Interesting New Competitor
Just spreading the Gospel I suppose
called Interesting New Competitor
Just spreading the Gospel I suppose
helimech
Leading Member
JimR
The Ricoh also has the best interface, more bracketing modes, and other Photography things you wouldn't be concerned with, as well high speed shooting, even though you can't understand how it works. There is nothing wrong with the metering, just how you interpret things Jim, Joel is learning the camera and had a setting wrong, that's all. Oh there is nothing wrong with the IQ either, if you would be bothered to print anything for yourself you would find that all cameras in this class are within 5-10% of each other. It comes down to what the individual likes or needs not what some so-called "professional' reviewer tells you to think.
Again why don't you just buy a camera and take some pictures, rather than spreading your nonsense.
Sorry to the Canon folk here for taking up your forum space.
The Ricoh also has the best interface, more bracketing modes, and other Photography things you wouldn't be concerned with, as well high speed shooting, even though you can't understand how it works. There is nothing wrong with the metering, just how you interpret things Jim, Joel is learning the camera and had a setting wrong, that's all. Oh there is nothing wrong with the IQ either, if you would be bothered to print anything for yourself you would find that all cameras in this class are within 5-10% of each other. It comes down to what the individual likes or needs not what some so-called "professional' reviewer tells you to think.
Again why don't you just buy a camera and take some pictures, rather than spreading your nonsense.
Sorry to the Canon folk here for taking up your forum space.
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