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bobn2
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Re: Bob,

René Schuster wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

Frankly, I couldn't care less about his politics.

well, but I do. I don´t make up my mind about a person only based on
a tiny aspect of his personality like his thoughts when it comes to
photography. Could easily be friends with someone who has a different
approach to photography but never with somebody who shows Anderon´s
mindset when it is about politics etc.

OK, I should rephrase - frankly, I couldn't care less about him, therefore I couldn't care less about his politics. This is someone I have no reason to make my mind up about, one way or another. If he was someone I was going to work with or vote for or invite to my house, I might worry.

Unless he starts
using public forums to stoke up racism or some such,

he is smart enough not to do this here on dpreview, but what would
you call some of his other posts on other forums? Just a look at his
nick names is enough for me:
"Conserfvatives = pedophiles, Crack baby as President, Do the World a
favour, kill a leftist, Get lost, Hysterical leftwing global warmers
must DIE, It's Americans OR Democrats, Leftists = traitors, Liberals
are STILL vermin, Liberals are vermin..." , from here:
http://profile.nntp2http.com/6b238a4f9d24d1d9fae9bab2fb616153.html

So, the fellow you think is him is nuts. I'd contend he's doing a lot less harm here stirring up a few gearheads than some of the other topics he's interested in. Frankly, we'd be doing the world a favour keeping him on his photographic obsesion rather than the others.

I think right
wingers have as much right to their opinions as any one else.

Sure, they do. But only from looking at his nick names mentioned
above, I really hope this is not what you would call a "normal right
winger"!

One of the standard fascist tactics for movement building is dehumanising and demonising some group in order to mobilise opposition to it. That is a systematic process. This guy seems to have no system, it's just juvenile attention seeking. Annoying, maybe, but not really dangerous.

The
problem with poor moderation is that the vigorous opponents get
moderated and banned and the provokers don't. No moderation at all is
better than that.

Well, moderation is not perfect here. On the other hand, would you
like to do the job of moderating all these forums?

No, but then I'm not making money out of these forums.

I can live with the kind of moderation we see here, all I would like
to see different is some kind of explanation, WHY certain posts or
threads get deleted or locked.

That is, I think, the worst thing, the arbitrary nature of it all and the lack of feedback. I wouldn't expect to agree with how things are done, but it would be good to see a rationale.

I know this is classically called trolling, but I cant see myself
what is wrong with it.

So there is nothing wrong with classical trolling?? Oh well, that is
your opinion!

No, honestly, what is the issue with being a controversialist? There are problems if this kind of thing is used systematically, as fascists do, but until we see pogroms out to get Olympus owners, I think it's best taken as harmless here. More fool those who respond to it.

If the subject is controversial, it is worth
discussing, by definition. There is almost no point discussing
subject on which there is a consensus. Nobody is forced to join such
a thread, and everybody is responsible for their own actions. I can't
see it's reasonable to lose control of yourself, then blame the OP
for your lack of self control.

Agreed. But I´m sure you can see the difference between a post to
start a discussion about a controversial subject and rander´s
question mark subject line troll posts ?!

Only one of degree. It is a standard journalistic trick, and one that the editor of DPR was quite happy to use in his 'does downsizing reduce noise?' blog. I suppose by your definition that was classic trolling.

The
subject lines of his posts usually all followed the same pattern,
going to the relevant forum and then posting something followed by a
question mark, e. g. going to the Oly DSLR forum and asking something
like maybe "E-3 banding/noise really that bad?" Easy to imagine the
reactions, not only those of the fan boys, lol!

If the
proposition behind the question is untrue, then simply present the
evidence to the contrary.

The proposition behind troll questions usually holds a certain tiny
amount of thruth, they know that very well. Part of their way of
operating, getting the pro and con folks into fights with each other.

As I said, if there's a consensus, there's no point discussing.

From a psychological point of view quite interesting.

As is some people's obsession with trolls.

Eventually, if your arguments are good
enough, the 'troll' will lose credibility. When people start with the
'don't feed the troll' messages, they show up their own lack of
intellectual maturity, rather than the troll's.

Better these "don´t feed the troll" messages than to see such threads
grow to 150 posts with the usual result, that otherwise normal and
peaceful people end up getting into fights and hating each other
because somebody overreacted.

The 'don't feed the troll' posts usually help the threads go to 150 posts.

René

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