New York City Police Statement About Photography

Started May 26, 2009 | Discussions thread
Rootbeer Senior Member • Posts: 2,311
Re: How about that!! What's next??

Charlie Self wrote:

Rootbeer wrote:


Look at the context here.. We have a HUGE metropolitan area,
consisting of several million people milling about, where billions of
dollars are made, that contribute greatly to the USSA, & World
economies, where 10 terrorists successfully killed over three
thousand people from all over the world, including many fine NYPD
officers, and rescue workers, which caused a major disturbance in the
US & World economies, who have been reminded the rights of
photographers,...(probably because of Youtube IMO).. so that they
don't become targets of police aggression.

That in it's self is remarkable, since photographers have been
unfairly targeted for conducting an activity protected by the United
States Constitution. I hope that memo is followed by other police
departments, including ones in cow-towns like mine in comparison to
NY City, where I have personally experienced problems with bad cops
who unlawfully target photographers.


............Have we sunk so low in the training of our police
officers that we have to remind them of foundational rights every US
citizen, and tourist has supposedly had?

I think that is a good start.. Unfortunately, websites like exist because of some things like this, where some
police have been completely out of line, which has caused
embarassment to their departments, and loss revenue from tax-payers
who fund the lawsuits brought against them.

What's next? A memo going out to all NYPD to stop the practice of
searching vehicles, businesses, and homes without probable cause?
What should we do then, celebrate that the cops are being reminded to
follow the LAW they are supposed to uphold...?


You seem to think that it's a simple matter to keep thousands of
regulations and laws in the forefront of one's mind while doing a job
that might require instant application of one or more of those
regulations or laws.

....Which are you referring to, the unlawful searches conducted without consent, the outright manipulation of the truth spoken by officers to attempt to gain entry to private property, or the Constitutional amendments, such as the 1st one that refers to freedom of speech? What..? That's too difficult to remember..? Should police not be required to know, and put into practice, that they are public servants, who do not need to get permission from anybody to file a complaint form, to be photographed, or recorded? That they have no right to harass or detain me simply for going about an activity that is more legal than walking a dog?

.....Give me a break, are you suggesting that police officers are too stupid to remember anything, because there are so many to remember, and therefore, they can use that excuse for when they cross the line, and trample on our civil rights??!!

....Please, help me to understand your point a little better.

As photographers, we have a primary concern: our photography. A cop
has a primary concern, too: protecting the public. Sometimes those
two are going to clash. A reminder such as the on for the NYPD helps
to prevent such clashes from becoming far more frequent.

....Why should they clash if the officers know not to mess with photographers, or anyone who is recording/ capturing images, who isn't interfering with their activity?

Police work is difficult. Some cops are better at it than others.

....That I know. One of my best friends is a former cop. His brother is actively serving on the force. Many of my classmates in school became cops, many of them 2nd generation. I recently shot a wedding for a friend of mine who is both a professional photographer, but a cop as well. A business associate of mine is attempting to get into the FBI right now. I know many others on a personal basis who are professional, and if read correctly, I mentioned that before, that I am referring to "some" cops. I've been pulled over by very professional and polite police officers, and I have put up with some serious bull$$$$ from a few bad apples, who make my friend's jobs that much harder. & I'm just a photographer with a clean record. I follow the law as close as I can, which my driving record reflects as well.

Like doctors and dentists and shrinks and the rest of us, half of
them are below average. It's a wise citizen who allows for that.

.....Well, when in doubt, or in question, the officer can contact his supervisor, or DA's office, or Mayor's office for advice on how to proceed if in doubt. Most other professions don't have the amount of audio and video recording and real-time monitoring from the station that police have at their disposal to help protect, and enforce the law either.

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Sorry Charlie, I have high standards when it comes to law enforcement. Especially in this day and age.

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