Big Ga
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As is most often the case John. Your assumptions are incorrect.
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more than you would believe when they are self employed like myself. Maybe those who work for the magazine don't, or those who are "in house" for small to medium companies as most of those were not the top grads. But It should be something they studied while at school, from the file creation to prepress, file types ripping etc.
Your experience may have been with some very unprofessional designers unfortunately. If you want some pro work done we are always willing to take on new clients
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Your experience may have been with some very unprofessional designers unfortunately. If you want some pro work done we are always willing to take on new clients
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As are yours.
From what i have experienced about most professional designers is that are capable and experienced in the production side. The few that are not, simply lack the interest or experience. You could of course be following the same tow many do, that is finding the cheapest designer (or quote) you can.
My client list includes fortune 500 companies, my photography and design has been used from Germany to Japan. That is my experience, that is why despite all you consistent arguments to the contrary I may know a fair bit about using this system for professional purposes.
All John does it point out that your comment to me is without basis, it does not relate at all to the post, and simply tries to discredit my comment based on your assumptions.
Think about it.
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Its a brand new camera, I would assume this means he has had very little time to play with it.
It takes experience to focus well on any given video system if you are doing it manually.
My point was that he has getting very good images from the combo of the Oly lenses with the Panasonic body (its just he cant focus).
The quality of the video can be judged by it being used to produce an ad or something for Heiniken (mentioned in another post). Manual is difficult to master, but not impossible.
The overall point i was making is that I can use my existing lenses with this system, I have 2 bodies to choose from (for now) and in most of my (intended) work I imagine it would be studio, with very little panning and focus changes, so my lenses wouldn't even be that much of a challenge for me in that environment.
Its mostly just my experience and opinion, but then so are most of these posts, and they are all so damn negative. I feel this system has worked so well for me that to just knock it over and over is really giving it a bad reputation, one that is very undeserved. It would also potentially put people off who would get served very well but the equipment.
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It takes experience to focus well on any given video system if you are doing it manually.
My point was that he has getting very good images from the combo of the Oly lenses with the Panasonic body (its just he cant focus).
The quality of the video can be judged by it being used to produce an ad or something for Heiniken (mentioned in another post). Manual is difficult to master, but not impossible.
The overall point i was making is that I can use my existing lenses with this system, I have 2 bodies to choose from (for now) and in most of my (intended) work I imagine it would be studio, with very little panning and focus changes, so my lenses wouldn't even be that much of a challenge for me in that environment.
Its mostly just my experience and opinion, but then so are most of these posts, and they are all so damn negative. I feel this system has worked so well for me that to just knock it over and over is really giving it a bad reputation, one that is very undeserved. It would also potentially put people off who would get served very well but the equipment.
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Big Ga
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I don't hire the graphic designers that work for the publishing companies. I just send them the files.
My experience is echoed by numerous other professionals.
Then its very possible you are one of those designers I mentioned that DO know what they are doing. I still stand by what I said though.
What 'consistent arguments to the contrary' ???
... your statement Big Ga,
Is that of my entire post, you then bring the topic onto designers and how most of them dont know how to deal with photographs and images, or how too keep the quality during the design process and into prepress. We can only work with what we have been given. You may have tripped yourself up there.
If this was indeed the case (that designers dont know what we are doing) most of the work out there, being produced by photographers in magazines etc. would look awful. The truth is, most of it looks great, and only the cheap stuff looks bad. Graphic Designers are the people behind 95% of the printed material (and web) out there (at a commercial level).
Therefore your statement That "many designers out there are pretty clueless... blah blah blah" as opposed to you being sure that there are "technically literate GD's...blah blah blah", suggests that us technical ones are the few, in an industry of monkeys.
The only time i have ever seen designers not know what files to use for print, they have not been designers but inhouse staff at print brokers or promotional houses. These are probably the catagory you MAY be refering to. However a Professional Graphic Designer does indeed know a great deal about these things. I will repeat that if you and the "professionals" that agree with you have had differing experiences, I can see quite readily where you have probably gone wrong.
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Is that of my entire post, you then bring the topic onto designers and how most of them dont know how to deal with photographs and images, or how too keep the quality during the design process and into prepress. We can only work with what we have been given. You may have tripped yourself up there.
If this was indeed the case (that designers dont know what we are doing) most of the work out there, being produced by photographers in magazines etc. would look awful. The truth is, most of it looks great, and only the cheap stuff looks bad. Graphic Designers are the people behind 95% of the printed material (and web) out there (at a commercial level).
Therefore your statement That "many designers out there are pretty clueless... blah blah blah" as opposed to you being sure that there are "technically literate GD's...blah blah blah", suggests that us technical ones are the few, in an industry of monkeys.
Here you suggest that "many designers" are business downsizing files, or converting them to low res jpegs for print... why would they bother? We work with what clients provide us with, we ask for better if it is available, but quite often it is the client who doesn't understand.
Againg you use the work "many" here suggesting a greater quantity than those who are not. I again stress you are probably not working with Graphic Designers, but an in-house type that possible went on a 1 year course at a local community college.
The only time i have ever seen designers not know what files to use for print, they have not been designers but inhouse staff at print brokers or promotional houses. These are probably the catagory you MAY be refering to. However a Professional Graphic Designer does indeed know a great deal about these things. I will repeat that if you and the "professionals" that agree with you have had differing experiences, I can see quite readily where you have probably gone wrong.
Ab
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John King
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Gidday Ab
As for "my assumptions", they go something along these lines:
I assume that:
Most people are reasonably honest, decent, kind and good; one should try to help those who are not to become better than they are. Putting them down by treating them as inferior makes them worse than they are ...
Most people are worthy of trust, but equally one should not place great trust in those who have not demonstrated that they are trustworthy;
It is incumbent upon us all to treat others with dignity, courtesy and respect; until it is proved beyond any doubt at all that they are unworthy of such treatment ... then we should continue to treat them with dignity, courtesy and respect because otherwise we lower ourselves to their level ...
Regardless of all our differing life experiences and knowledge, people of good spirit should, and will, be able to speak about things about which they have extremely divergent views without rancour and/or hatred. Solutions to problems will appear from the diversity of these things far more easily than out of homogeneity ...
Almost everything I know has been a freely-given gift from someone else: parents, friends, teachers, young people, old people, men, women, writers of books both old and new, etc, etc. I can understand these things because of the gift of an enquiring mind with reasonable intellectual ability. I cannot take credit for any of these things: they are a gift to me from the Universe at large.
Because of these things, I believe that I have a duty to behave in like fashion to those with whom I come in contact; whomever they may be; wherever and however that may be.
I do not, and never have, claimed to achieve perfection in the conduct of my life; and my adherence to the tenets I have outlined here are no exception; BUT, at least I am aware of these things; AND at least I try to abide by them.
However, as Gareth said before, most of my assumptions are wrong, and this must include these expressed here, as these go to the very heart of my existence. My life would be a sterile wasteland without these "assumptions" ...
Perhaps we also disagree about these things ... and their fundamental importance ...
Sorry about the rant, folks. Pomposity and b/s tend to get up my left nostril ... (whoops - just broke rule number ;-| ... )
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I have this sneaking suspicion that this may well be the crux of the matter, mate ...
As for "my assumptions", they go something along these lines:
I assume that:
Most people are reasonably honest, decent, kind and good; one should try to help those who are not to become better than they are. Putting them down by treating them as inferior makes them worse than they are ...
Most people are worthy of trust, but equally one should not place great trust in those who have not demonstrated that they are trustworthy;
It is incumbent upon us all to treat others with dignity, courtesy and respect; until it is proved beyond any doubt at all that they are unworthy of such treatment ... then we should continue to treat them with dignity, courtesy and respect because otherwise we lower ourselves to their level ...
Regardless of all our differing life experiences and knowledge, people of good spirit should, and will, be able to speak about things about which they have extremely divergent views without rancour and/or hatred. Solutions to problems will appear from the diversity of these things far more easily than out of homogeneity ...
Almost everything I know has been a freely-given gift from someone else: parents, friends, teachers, young people, old people, men, women, writers of books both old and new, etc, etc. I can understand these things because of the gift of an enquiring mind with reasonable intellectual ability. I cannot take credit for any of these things: they are a gift to me from the Universe at large.
Because of these things, I believe that I have a duty to behave in like fashion to those with whom I come in contact; whomever they may be; wherever and however that may be.
I do not, and never have, claimed to achieve perfection in the conduct of my life; and my adherence to the tenets I have outlined here are no exception; BUT, at least I am aware of these things; AND at least I try to abide by them.
However, as Gareth said before, most of my assumptions are wrong, and this must include these expressed here, as these go to the very heart of my existence. My life would be a sterile wasteland without these "assumptions" ...
Perhaps we also disagree about these things ... and their fundamental importance ...
Sorry about the rant, folks. Pomposity and b/s tend to get up my left nostril ... (whoops - just broke rule number ;-| ... )
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But I agree with your comments. I do believe we are on a constant learning curve and should be grateful for everything that has been passed onto us from those around us.
I always find the web a tremendous place of learning, how people contibute solutions to others problems (not just here but in many catagories, in forums and blogs) and help find solutions and answers.
As i mentioned this post was to highlight the strengths of the system, and the potential for professional use in the future. I am really quite excited about the potential for video within my services. I have seen what a number of photographers are doing with the Nikon D90 and the Panasonic GH1, it is really remarkable and I can't wait to give it a whack.
I have even tried to pursuade my old friend from the UK to move here so he can head up that growth market. We are really quite overworked with our current clientlist and workload, but i really feel there is an emerging market with the advent of this form of video implementation in the corporate / commmerical field.
I do honestly believe, a positive attitude along with honesty will go a long way. I have questioned my gear, wondered if i could do better with something else... However there will always a "something else" out there. Many Oly users on this forum seem down about the gear and its potential for picture taking. Many Oly users who decided to jump ship still seem to be grappling with their choice.
I wanted to share a positive story about using the system, and why I felt I had a gread deal to look forward to and be thankful for within the system. (not that i couldn't have done it with anything else, but that i DID do it with the gear i have, it happened to be Oly.)
I am quite happy with my success, I will probably be shipping over my E-300 with the kit lenses to the SE Asia office so the designers there can start messing around with a DSLR.
Should be fun
Ab
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I always find the web a tremendous place of learning, how people contibute solutions to others problems (not just here but in many catagories, in forums and blogs) and help find solutions and answers.
As i mentioned this post was to highlight the strengths of the system, and the potential for professional use in the future. I am really quite excited about the potential for video within my services. I have seen what a number of photographers are doing with the Nikon D90 and the Panasonic GH1, it is really remarkable and I can't wait to give it a whack.
I have even tried to pursuade my old friend from the UK to move here so he can head up that growth market. We are really quite overworked with our current clientlist and workload, but i really feel there is an emerging market with the advent of this form of video implementation in the corporate / commmerical field.
I do honestly believe, a positive attitude along with honesty will go a long way. I have questioned my gear, wondered if i could do better with something else... However there will always a "something else" out there. Many Oly users on this forum seem down about the gear and its potential for picture taking. Many Oly users who decided to jump ship still seem to be grappling with their choice.
I wanted to share a positive story about using the system, and why I felt I had a gread deal to look forward to and be thankful for within the system. (not that i couldn't have done it with anything else, but that i DID do it with the gear i have, it happened to be Oly.)
I am quite happy with my success, I will probably be shipping over my E-300 with the kit lenses to the SE Asia office so the designers there can start messing around with a DSLR.
Should be fun
Ab
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Juergen Hahn
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I actually very much appreciated reading your comments as it forms a nice contrast to some of the other comments made here.
Obviously I know little about requirements for professional photographers, but it is nice to hear that some people use this type of equipment successfully and are satisfied with the results.
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Thank you for this common sense remark
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INDEED It is . Again ,cold not agree more but then never could get used to that 3:2 ratio especially for verticals
Big Ga
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observation I have quite a lot of work published in some very high profile publications and on average 3 out of 5 mags screw something up between receiving the file and publishing it.
BTW I am aware of all the requirements for file preparation for publishing.
I wouldnt be flippant enough to point the finger at anyone individual but many have much to learn or dont care....
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BTW I am aware of all the requirements for file preparation for publishing.
I wouldnt be flippant enough to point the finger at anyone individual but many have much to learn or dont care....
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could it be better than this ?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=28936553
so now, not only is he wrong, even if he 'might' be right
but he cant read either
real apologies come without reservation
i think this guy is owed one
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not very smart.
But then, people who pick on trivial matters without a reasonable amount of thought generally can't see the forest for the trees.
Now aside from that, it probably disturbs you that someone is enjoying his system, and getting the most out of it, and doing very well. You seem to be the kind of chimp that likes to rain on other peoples parades, you seem to do it an awful lot on this forum. You seem to enjoy it, good for you, small things please small minds.
I will make the whole purpose of this post a little clearer for you. There will be people who have already bought the Oly system, they may have spent a lot of money on it, they may have spent a lot of money for them. Then they come here, all excited about being a part of the photography crowd, enjoying the equipment and taking pictures.
Then they read one of your twisted little posts and think, "oh maybe i made the wrong decision..." This equipment costs a lot of money, doesn't matter what the $ amount is people spend what they can, and they generally can't do it often.
I want people to know that their decision was not a a bad one. That if you want to take some nice pics, the system will work, if your hoping to go places professionally, it will work. Just because monkeys like you like to throw smelly stuff around should mean nothing to them.
You may never "get it" , I like to pass on positive experiences, you like to cast doubt. People come to this forum and ask advice, almost all Oly users seem to be quite honest with the advice they give. They dont need cynical, obsessive, condescending little tricksters like you making them question the hard earned money they spent.
You should really stop being a little gremlin Ga Ga and realize that your "honest" and "fair" posts are just a nasty way for you to come to terms with the fact you are very disatisfied.
Again, go through my post, find the spelling mistakes, and then come tell me where I went wrong. 'cus a lil ol me, dunno how ta spel. I find it 'ard to fink, is justt al sooo bleedin' difficul.
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But then, people who pick on trivial matters without a reasonable amount of thought generally can't see the forest for the trees.
Thanks for the title. So I have achieved something here. Good for me.
I will clear this up for you, as you don't obviously understand (or your playing dumb, not sure which is worse). I didn't understand his very nice comments in relation to my post, but i agreed with what he said in general. Did that help you Little Ga Ga?
Now aside from that, it probably disturbs you that someone is enjoying his system, and getting the most out of it, and doing very well. You seem to be the kind of chimp that likes to rain on other peoples parades, you seem to do it an awful lot on this forum. You seem to enjoy it, good for you, small things please small minds.
I will make the whole purpose of this post a little clearer for you. There will be people who have already bought the Oly system, they may have spent a lot of money on it, they may have spent a lot of money for them. Then they come here, all excited about being a part of the photography crowd, enjoying the equipment and taking pictures.
Then they read one of your twisted little posts and think, "oh maybe i made the wrong decision..." This equipment costs a lot of money, doesn't matter what the $ amount is people spend what they can, and they generally can't do it often.
I want people to know that their decision was not a a bad one. That if you want to take some nice pics, the system will work, if your hoping to go places professionally, it will work. Just because monkeys like you like to throw smelly stuff around should mean nothing to them.
You may never "get it" , I like to pass on positive experiences, you like to cast doubt. People come to this forum and ask advice, almost all Oly users seem to be quite honest with the advice they give. They dont need cynical, obsessive, condescending little tricksters like you making them question the hard earned money they spent.
You should really stop being a little gremlin Ga Ga and realize that your "honest" and "fair" posts are just a nasty way for you to come to terms with the fact you are very disatisfied.
Again, go through my post, find the spelling mistakes, and then come tell me where I went wrong. 'cus a lil ol me, dunno how ta spel. I find it 'ard to fink, is justt al sooo bleedin' difficul.
Ab
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But I dont expect a sorry from him, I am not even sure he is capable of it.
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Ab
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“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein
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I havn't had your experiences, and its a pity people mess up your work, especially when it goes to print and the public gets to see your work, it must be infuriating.
I do also notice that you don't go around just idley say "the pressman did it they have so much to learn about colour". Things go wrong, we can just blame a whole catagory of people for it, and you didn't.
Ab
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I do also notice that you don't go around just idley say "the pressman did it they have so much to learn about colour". Things go wrong, we can just blame a whole catagory of people for it, and you didn't.
Ab
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ching43202
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Hi, Olympus lover,
It’s time for change! It’s time for customer to tell Olympus what to do. Noise is always the problem and the biggest issue for Olympus camera. The E-30 didn’t improve any noise problem. The new E-620 even causes the bigger issue of noise problem (see the review of Popular Photography magazine and others). I am an Olympus fan and I think that we need to ask Olympus to do some change since we have invested the whole system for years. Isn’t it right that the stock holders have the right to challenge the company’s direction in annual report?
My major is not in optical engineering but I do know that the fixed size of 4/3 sensor need to be modified. But how? In general, 4/3 sensor is about ¼ size of full 35mm sensor, thus Olympus has actually made 12 X 4 = 48 MP sensor if in full 35mm sensor which is double of the current 24 MP full 35mm sensors of other brands. Its technology is ahead of other brands in this standpoint. However, the noise problem also comes with the limited sensor size. (Someone say that it is not because of the sensor). I do believe that Olympus researchers also work hard to improve the noise problem.
After thinking this problem for a long time, an idea just comes out of my mind. Since the 4/3 sensor size is limited at 2D dimension, why don’t we improve its 3D dimension? CMOS catch up with CCD after the maturing of its technology. Foveon 3X technology may not mature years ago, but now its mature technology has been installed in Sigma camera. I do believe that the new Sigma SD15 with its super high image quality will bring a huge impact to the market if they improve their entire previous problem (speed). Why doesn’t Olympus collaborate with Foveon 3X Company or developing the similar technology by their own? Even the current Olympus sensors, just like Nikon, are not made by its own company. Sony? After adapting the Foveon 3X technology, the current 12 MP (E-30/E-620) or 10 MP (E-3/E-520/ E420) can achieve 36 MP or 30 MP easily or maintain total 15 MP with much bigger photosite unit to reduce noise problem.
The developing of 3D sensor is not the major problem for the Olympus. I do believe that the major problem is how they share the benefit of the upgrading sensor with Foveon 3X Company. Sooner or later, the 2D 4/3 sensor will achieves its limit (maybe now) and need to improve to 3D 4/3 sensor. Do you think the same way as I think? Why don’t we push Olympus to do the improvement right away? There is no any benefit to me from either company and I don’t work for them. I am just a Olympus fan who want to see the better dSLR to the market. Please spread this article to the other entire forum if you think that we need to push Olympus together.
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It’s time for change! It’s time for customer to tell Olympus what to do. Noise is always the problem and the biggest issue for Olympus camera. The E-30 didn’t improve any noise problem. The new E-620 even causes the bigger issue of noise problem (see the review of Popular Photography magazine and others). I am an Olympus fan and I think that we need to ask Olympus to do some change since we have invested the whole system for years. Isn’t it right that the stock holders have the right to challenge the company’s direction in annual report?
My major is not in optical engineering but I do know that the fixed size of 4/3 sensor need to be modified. But how? In general, 4/3 sensor is about ¼ size of full 35mm sensor, thus Olympus has actually made 12 X 4 = 48 MP sensor if in full 35mm sensor which is double of the current 24 MP full 35mm sensors of other brands. Its technology is ahead of other brands in this standpoint. However, the noise problem also comes with the limited sensor size. (Someone say that it is not because of the sensor). I do believe that Olympus researchers also work hard to improve the noise problem.
After thinking this problem for a long time, an idea just comes out of my mind. Since the 4/3 sensor size is limited at 2D dimension, why don’t we improve its 3D dimension? CMOS catch up with CCD after the maturing of its technology. Foveon 3X technology may not mature years ago, but now its mature technology has been installed in Sigma camera. I do believe that the new Sigma SD15 with its super high image quality will bring a huge impact to the market if they improve their entire previous problem (speed). Why doesn’t Olympus collaborate with Foveon 3X Company or developing the similar technology by their own? Even the current Olympus sensors, just like Nikon, are not made by its own company. Sony? After adapting the Foveon 3X technology, the current 12 MP (E-30/E-620) or 10 MP (E-3/E-520/ E420) can achieve 36 MP or 30 MP easily or maintain total 15 MP with much bigger photosite unit to reduce noise problem.
The developing of 3D sensor is not the major problem for the Olympus. I do believe that the major problem is how they share the benefit of the upgrading sensor with Foveon 3X Company. Sooner or later, the 2D 4/3 sensor will achieves its limit (maybe now) and need to improve to 3D 4/3 sensor. Do you think the same way as I think? Why don’t we push Olympus to do the improvement right away? There is no any benefit to me from either company and I don’t work for them. I am just a Olympus fan who want to see the better dSLR to the market. Please spread this article to the other entire forum if you think that we need to push Olympus together.
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kilobytemachine
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Ching,
Perhaps it would be more courteous of you to start a separate thread on this to air your dissatisfaction rather than hijack odl's thread.
Just a thought...
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kbm
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their noise testing is full of holes, i dont dispute a noise issue, but theirs is not the data set to represent that
mostly its the sensor size, being -1.94 stops e/v from FF
curious, foveon isnt known for good noise performance ?
Theyre wholly owned by Sigma now
err??, you do realise they dont make sensors right ?
it is possible that there is something in this, its not been debated here before but i can think of a few ways that it might improve things
you might need to explain how you see stacking photodiodes as in foveon improves noise. You could surmise that removing the need for a bayer layer recovers 2/3 stop light, but foveon doesnt seem to capitalise on this with its own rather poor noise performance. Indeed, perhaps their method actually increases noise, so i think you need to explain how you think this would work...
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