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K20D End of line?
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Jed Perkins
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I said it before, I'll say it again, I want the K20D sensor in a Km body, and I want them to add back in the focus point selection, focus calibration, and TAv mode. I don't care about live view (never use it), or video, and I don't really miss the top LCD screen. I can live without the second dial if necessary. If Pentax would give me that I will be a very happy camper.
I want the smaller size, but am not really thrilled about a new format if it means that I need to buy new lenses. That is why I bought the Km over the Panasonic G1 as a smaller second camera, so I could utilize my existing investment in Pentax glass.
Is anyone else out their drooling over the upcoming Simga DP2? I am going to get this for all the times that I want to take my camera with me, but don't want to lug around even my "tiny" Km. The DP1 is too wide for me at 28mm effective, but the DP2 sounds just right at 41mm for a great street shooter.
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I want the smaller size, but am not really thrilled about a new format if it means that I need to buy new lenses. That is why I bought the Km over the Panasonic G1 as a smaller second camera, so I could utilize my existing investment in Pentax glass.
Is anyone else out their drooling over the upcoming Simga DP2? I am going to get this for all the times that I want to take my camera with me, but don't want to lug around even my "tiny" Km. The DP1 is too wide for me at 28mm effective, but the DP2 sounds just right at 41mm for a great street shooter.
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I like the size of the K20....smaller than a 1D, bigger than mini-cams, it has a great feel in hand with it's size/heft with the grip on.
For all those complaining about portability and size for the Limiteds, I happen to love the center of balance of the big K20 w/ grip, and a Limted on the front. It's weighty without being front-heavy!
For all those complaining about portability and size for the Limiteds, I happen to love the center of balance of the big K20 w/ grip, and a Limted on the front. It's weighty without being front-heavy!
I was able to copy the following text before the Plopphoto webpage was very quickly removed after being inadvertently posted. Apologies as I was only able to retrieve the section written on the outer body material before being taken down:
"The eagerly awaited hot summer release Pentax camera will have the newly redesigned shell/armor coating made from HyperReflekt!tm, a new synthetic analog compound spun off from Flubber and SuperBall III technology - rumors from JPL are this is really the newly reverse engineered black-op tech out of Area51tm. The camera is said to be able to fully withstand a confirmed maximum 50 meter fall onto a concrete surface. Although the stupid hapless photographer must be ready to rapidly retrieve the DSLR ICBM missile as it bounces back at an extra-rapid velocity, typically at a tremendously varied angled trajectory from where released. Remarkably, even fighting the force of gravity the camera returns at an even greater height than released. Patent Pending."
I can't wait.
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"The eagerly awaited hot summer release Pentax camera will have the newly redesigned shell/armor coating made from HyperReflekt!tm, a new synthetic analog compound spun off from Flubber and SuperBall III technology - rumors from JPL are this is really the newly reverse engineered black-op tech out of Area51tm. The camera is said to be able to fully withstand a confirmed maximum 50 meter fall onto a concrete surface. Although the stupid hapless photographer must be ready to rapidly retrieve the DSLR ICBM missile as it bounces back at an extra-rapid velocity, typically at a tremendously varied angled trajectory from where released. Remarkably, even fighting the force of gravity the camera returns at an even greater height than released. Patent Pending."
I can't wait.
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mutleybird
Senior Member
And, with it being smaller, they'll again find a way to not provide a desirable hi-rez 920,000 dot 3" screen. D80--> D90 made a point to see what impressed the market, and did not make an effort to not provide the higher quality screen. They simply included it. New model -> you put the best in screens, live view (if you're going to have it), etc.
It makes no sense to put a brand new designed body together, and try to say it wouldn't fit. You design it to fit. Canon 450D is smaller, and they figured out how to give people the state of the art in screen size, though being entry-level it is understandably not high rez..
Better DACs, bigger buffer, faster fps, etc. that doesn't justify the cost on a lower model. Are the differences always worth it (look at 40D vs 5D or D300 vs D700 or the myriad of other n and n+1 models)? Sometimes yes, sometimes no...but even these answers will come down to each consumer. Those with the money and the desire to have it will buy it. And need, in the world of photography (we aren't talking food, water, and shelter here) is always a luxery.
IMO i'm not trashing Pentax, but your idea of 'who needs it' is not true.
for the record I probably wouldn't buy a K1D unless a) it existed
and b)prices REALLLLY drop. I'd be a happy camper in the KXD range. I still have my K100D and would have not replaced it for a long while (got it 2 years ago and I would have wanted to wait for a K30D at the earliest, or a K40D as the most probable purchase) until it had an untimely accident that is now forcing me to see what hand Pentax plays this summer and then either buy that or the K20D.
IMO i'm not trashing Pentax, but your idea of 'who needs it' is not true.
for the record I probably wouldn't buy a K1D unless a) it existed
and b)prices REALLLLY drop. I'd be a happy camper in the KXD range. I still have my K100D and would have not replaced it for a long while (got it 2 years ago and I would have wanted to wait for a K30D at the earliest, or a K40D as the most probable purchase) until it had an untimely accident that is now forcing me to see what hand Pentax plays this summer and then either buy that or the K20D.Why needs a K1D? If you desire something massively bigger and more
expensive with bulky lenses and more DR than the K20, why not just
buy a 640D when it comes out?
Landor Dees
Well-known member
Yes, maybe I could have searched, but I wanted to ask my question in my own way, sorry that irritated you, many others have replied in a friendly way, thanks for giving me a taste of the Pentax warm and friendly welcome. As you were the first to reply.
Landor
Landor
I've always found "DAC" an interesting term in SLR cameras. At what point is data being converted from digital to analog? I though it was an ADC, (analog light rays converted to digital sensor data.) and would fit the description of the sensor itself. After that, isn't it just digital to digital? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious, obviiously such a thing exists somewhere as I've heard it numerous times, I just can't imagine where!)
As for buffer & FPS that targets a very specific market, namely, action/sports/journalism photography (with some emphasis on fashion, though it's debatable that that's just another form of journalism/entertainment) Pentax has made relatively clear that they're yielding to the market dominant C&N there and it's not worth throwing endless money at that market. They're going for the other two sides of the market, consumer/hobbyist (KD) and studio (645.)
Sensors are not digital devices per se, they are simply analog photon to electron converters. The digital conversion of the converted elecrons generated by the photons that were gathered by the pixels happens later, even if it happens "on chip". This is one of the advantages of the CMOS sensor: it can have the secondary analog amplification and digital conversion circuitry right on the chip such that the output of the chip can be digital, saving real estate, extra parts, signal path losses and noise, etc.
CCDs are simply analog photon to electron converters. The digital processing happens on a circuit board after the charge levels for each pixel are read off the CCD.
To summarize, pixels (CMOS or CCD) simply refelect a (very tiny) voltage proportional to the amount of light received. This voltage can be any level from zero up to the maximum capacity of the pixel, or any voltage in-between. Later processing, on or off chip, simply converts this to digital, which is normally referred to as ADC. DAC is quite the opposite of ADC.
Ray
Later processing, on or off chip, simply
So am I missing a step, or do people just inappropriately use the term "DAC" to mean "ADC?"
Right, which is my central question. The process of taking light and converting it to a digital image is a one-way ADC conversion. Yet there are repeated reference to the quality of in-camera DACs. The only DAC conversion I'm aware of with photography happens at LCD display (converting digital images to electrical charges to a liquid crystal matrix), but I doubt people are complaining so much about the DAC quality on the 2.7" LCD on the camera
So am I missing a step, or do people just inappropriately use the term "DAC" to mean "ADC?"
Jim King
Veteran Member
I'm sorry that I offended you by my reasonable suggestion to look at what had already been posted on this topic (a great deal of verbiage...). It was not intended as a hostile response, merely a quick way for you to get up to speed. If you had already done any research into previous posts it was not apparent in your message.
Your sarcasm suggests that you are perhaps not such a warm and friendly fellow yourself. As for me, if you check my posting history you will find that I am indeed a friendly guy and that I generally go out of my way to help people. Unfortunately, it seems that I failed to help you in the way you expected.
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Jim King - Retired Colormonger - Suburban Detroit, Michigan, USA; GMT -5h (EST)
Pentaxian for over 45 years.
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
Your sarcasm suggests that you are perhaps not such a warm and friendly fellow yourself. As for me, if you check my posting history you will find that I am indeed a friendly guy and that I generally go out of my way to help people. Unfortunately, it seems that I failed to help you in the way you expected.
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Jim King - Retired Colormonger - Suburban Detroit, Michigan, USA; GMT -5h (EST)
Pentaxian for over 45 years.
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
- Sir Winston Churchill
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
- Albert Einstein
Didn't you hear? The K30D comes with a built-in toilet!
sfa1966
Veteran Member
Sorry, Eric. I just can't believe that Pentax would embark on such a venture. Seems to be too much of a crapshoot .....
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sfa
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Chris_Fa
Member
Then all they have to do is make it inflatable/deflatable so people can adjust the size to their liking, too big let a little air out, too small pump it up. Would help the 10 metre drop situation as well.
iksomodo
Forum Enthusiast
Many are amazed that anyone would want smaller cameras. Big cameras are a better balance for big, heavy lenses, and they convey the message that we're artists, not wimps. They're probably also preferable for people with big hands. And even large-format cameras can go almost anywhere, if you have a few people to share the load.
Me, I'm over 60, I have small hands, I walk a lot, I don't always want the crew (think grandchildren) to carry the camera, and I do tend to take it everywhere, so I'm with the wimps on this one. At least until I break down and buy a K20D.
ardpreview
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