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thinkfat said:
On all other DSLRs and compacts, video filming is nothing more than a
gimmick
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People are buying the 5DII in great numbers. There are also some really creative videos being shot with it due to the ability to use all Canon mount lenses--and I've noticed that wedding photographers seem very excited about it.

Diane
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Hi Diane,

I didn't even know whether the G1 would support manual selection of the MF zoom assist when I ordered my G1 + 4/3rds adapter! if you read our Safari Group running review of the G1, you'll see the very first reports...

http://www.ukphotosafari.org/ukpsg-reports/

I knew that the G1 would mount my legacy Hexanon lenses - because they are now standard 4/3rds fit - but the enthusiasm for rangefinder lenses started very early in Japan. I think.

Kind Regards

Brian
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In an interview with Panasonic at CES, the so called G1HD is not going to replace the G1. It will enter at a higher price point while the G1 will remain on the market for those not interested in a higher price point or the video feature in general.

Zguy
Not another G1 review - http://myfourthirds.com/document.php?id=50702
 
If that is the way it happens, then I hope they release a G1 kit with the 14-140mm lens (assuming the 14-140mm lens is going to be fully compatible with the G1) or start offering the G1 in body only.

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Stu
D40x, TZ4
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I hope the G1HD comes out soon and lower the price of the current model, I'd like the snatch the 2 lens kit for about $650.

I personally have no use for video, nice to have but not needed at all.

Its been three years since I first had my first digicam and so far I've taken about 6hr of mostly garbage video with my old LZ2 over my 2 year ownership and 20 mins with its replacement, a FS20.

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Brian Mosley said:
thinkfat said:
The more I think about it the less sense this G1HD makes to me.
Panasonic goes to great lengths making a body/lense combination that
will rival any professional HD video camera with regards to IQ, but
is this really a useful combination?
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I have no idea, but for event/wedding photographers, I can imagine
that being able to use the same compact camera for both stills and
video would be of value.
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True. Of course there is added value in not having to change cameras when you want live video now and still images in the next moment. The question is how high individuals will rate this improvement. Of course if the G1HD is only slightly more expensive than the G1 with double zoom kit, it's going to sell. But if it's a lot more expensive, I'm doubtful (especially since people are already unhappy with the price of the G1).
Brian Mosley said:
Brian Mosley said:
Panasonic might
surprise me but IMHO there's a reason why a video camera looks like a
video camera. It's not all about the lense.
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I think we'll have to wait and see how the camera handles... and
regarding zoom control, do video cameras have a zoom ring on the lens
(excuse my ignorance, but I've never used a high spec camcorder)
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Some have a zoom ring, some have a zoom ring with a long pin for finer control (the big ones to put on your shoulder). Most have a W/T rocker with speed control: press hard - fast drive, press soft - slow drive. Being able to zoom in and out softly to not make viewers seasick is a must.

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Brian Mosley said:
Steve82 said:
I'm not following you here. Why would an electronic shutter allow a
4/3 sensor to match FF image quality?
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It would make a beam splitter with multiple 4/3rds sensors possible,
also allowing for this kind of technology :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=29281650

...to be implemented in camera, giving HDR/noise free/superresolution
output.

But with ultra compact, lightweight 4/3rds and m4/3rds lenses.
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I still don't follow. How does an electronic shutter make this possible?

For that matter, what is an electronic shutter, anyway, and what makes you think the G1HD will have one?
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Hi Jay,
Jay Gloab said:
Brian Mosley said:
Steve82 said:
I'm not following you here. Why would an electronic shutter allow a
4/3 sensor to match FF image quality?
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It would make a beam splitter with multiple 4/3rds sensors possible,
also allowing for this kind of technology :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=29281650

...to be implemented in camera, giving HDR/noise free/superresolution
output.

But with ultra compact, lightweight 4/3rds and m4/3rds lenses.
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I still don't follow. How does an electronic shutter make this possible?
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Let's say that it allows you to take 60 frames per second... given the high speed support processors - which are needed for video. Currently, the G1 does about 2.5 frames per second with a mechanical shutter.
Jay Gloab630253 said:
For that matter, what is an electronic shutter, anyway, and what
makes you think the G1HD will have one?
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An electronic shutter doesn't use moving parts to control the exposure of the sensor to light. I think the G1HD will need one to do video.

Also, this is the simplest answer I can give, use google and learn as much as you wish around the subject.

Kind Regards

Brian
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For me I mainly use Pentax ... its a great camera and weatherproof which in the SW UK is FANTASTIC!!!

However I tink the G1 is a great handy runaround for SLR users .... also I HATE video but feel like many parents duty bound to video the little darlings as a permanent embarrassement record for weddings etc ... so this would be a great all in one for trips ... but i wont be getting rid of the pentax .. and i would not buy this until it did have Video .. then i very well might ...
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Brian Mosley said:
Jay Gloab said:
Brian Mosley said:
Steve82 said:
I'm not following you here. Why would an electronic shutter allow a
4/3 sensor to match FF image quality?
Click to expand...
It would make a beam splitter with multiple 4/3rds sensors possible,
also allowing for this kind of technology :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=29281650

...to be implemented in camera, giving HDR/noise free/superresolution
output.

But with ultra compact, lightweight 4/3rds and m4/3rds lenses.
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I still don't follow. How does an electronic shutter make this possible?
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Let's say that it allows you to take 60 frames per second... given
the high speed support processors - which are needed for video.
Currently, the G1 does about 2.5 frames per second with a mechanical
shutter.
Brian Mosley said:
For that matter, what is an electronic shutter, anyway, and what
makes you think the G1HD will have one?
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An electronic shutter doesn't use moving parts to control the
exposure of the sensor to light. I think the G1HD will need one to do
video.

Also, this is the simplest answer I can give, use google and learn as
much as you wish around the subject.
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Thanks Brian, but I hope you'll indulge me a little more. I did Google electronic shutter and didn't find anything useful.

Do all digicams have an electronic shutter? What about the 5D MkIII? I assume the Canon isn't opening and closing it's shutter 30 times a second when it shoots video.

It seems to me that with an electronic imager, it's not theoretically necessary to have a shutter at all -- you just measure the light hitting the sensor over the period of the exposure you want. As I understand it, there's an advantage for still photography of having a physical shutter close over the image after each exposure to help the sensor "reset" to black. But I don't think this really applies to video, because the scene being shot doesn't change fast enough that it would make a significant difference.

So it seems to me that the G1HD may well have the same focal plane shutter as the G1, but will just keep it open during video shooting, just as it must be kept open for live view purposes.
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-Jay

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Brian Mosley said:
Brian Mosley wrote:
Hi Andy,
andyrox said:
AFAIA with the G1 existing lenses not having a MF ring, I guess they
will not be able to be used (very easily) with the G1HD for video,
but adaptor + dSLR MF lenses will.
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not sure I'm following you here, all lenses have MF rings (though
m4/3rds and many 4/3rds are focus by wire) - the mention above was of
continuous aperture control?

The big, big, HUGE difference for me is that Panasonic seem to be on
the verge of shipping a 4/3rds sensor with electronic shutter. This
has never been done before and augers well for the next generation of
4/3rds image quality - image quality which will rival or exceed FF
sensor cams. Glad I'm collecting ZD glass :)

Kind Regards

Brian
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I don't understand.

How does the fact that a sensor can have, or does have, an electronic shutter mean that the image quality from that sensor is improved?

Regards
 
Brian Mosley said:
Brian Mosley wrote:
Panasonic have published R&D results which relate to multiple
exposures being combined to extend dynamic range. I'm also using a
software package called PhotoAcute - if you look it up you should be
able to see the possibilities...

Kind Regards

Brian
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Just had a look at that PhotoAcute, it looks VERY interesting.

Does really do all that it claims?!! Especially in terms of noise reduction, resolution, and fringing?

And finally does it FULLY support G1 raw files as I didn't see any mention of G1 compatibility on the site?

Thanks in advance.
 
plevyadophy said:
plevyadophy said:
Brian Mosley wrote:
Panasonic have published R&D results which relate to multiple
exposures being combined to extend dynamic range. I'm also using a
software package called PhotoAcute - if you look it up you should be
able to see the possibilities...

Kind Regards

Brian
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Just had a look at that PhotoAcute, it looks VERY interesting.
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Now, imagine all of that going in the camera... phenomenal possibilities for future 4/3rds cams with Panasonic sensors and co-processors.
plevyadophy said:
Does really do all that it claims?!! Especially in terms of noise
reduction, resolution, and fringing?
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Yes, provided you have a profile for your camera + lens combination.
plevyadophy said:
And finally does it FULLY support G1 raw files as I didn't see any
mention of G1 compatibility on the site?
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It does already, but will do better when someone does the profiling for the G1 + lenses - I've already done a few profiles for them... time for someone else to have a go - incidentally, you can get a free license in exchange for doing a profile (search their site)

Kind Regards

Brian
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thinkfat said:
Brian Mosley said:
thinkfat said:
The more I think about it the less sense this G1HD makes to me.
Panasonic goes to great lengths making a body/lense combination that
will rival any professional HD video camera with regards to IQ, but
is this really a useful combination?
Click to expand...
I have no idea, but for event/wedding photographers, I can imagine
that being able to use the same compact camera for both stills and
video would be of value.
Click to expand...
True. Of course there is added value in not having to change cameras
when you want live video now and still images in the next moment. The
question is how high individuals will rate this improvement. Of
course if the G1HD is only slightly more expensive than the G1 with
double zoom kit, it's going to sell. But if it's a lot more
expensive, I'm doubtful (especially since people are already unhappy
with the price of the G1).
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I wonder whether it will be possible to take full-resolution stills while shooting video? Now that would be something.
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-Jay

http://flickr.com/photos/48504267@N00/
 
All this business about the new G1 HD and the lens having to continually auto focus.

I have an old Fuji S9100 purchased for $425.00 (US) in 2007. It is a bridge camera,it is an EVA camera with a 28 to 300 mm lens (35mm), full motion video at 640x480, continuous auto focus and continuous exposure control while taking the movie. I can manually zoom through out the movie taking process. Sound in monaural. It does real good!

I do not see why the G1 should be so hard to adapt to the movie process at a greatly increased cost.

If we fixate over this NEW camera, Panasonic will most assuredly do there level best to separate us from our hard earned cash at an increased cost, over the current cost of about $650 (US) for the present G1. Count on it!!

Look what Nikon is doing regarding the pricing of there new D3x at $8,000. It is causing a boycott. I hope Panasonic is not so foolish. I would like to see the G1 usher in a new period of smaller, lighter, quality larger sensor cameras.

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