Q about focus ring on AF-D 18-35 3,5-4,5

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Hi!

Could owners of this lens tell me if this is meant to have a very light/loose manual feel?

Just bought this lens used, everythig works fine, sharp pictures, autofocus is good/fast. It even looks unused. Just that rather "no feeling" manual focus ring.
I was planning to use it for tripod work, and therefore using manual focusing...

Thanks!
 
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Hi!
Could owners of this lens tell me if this is meant to have a very
light/loose manual feel?

Just bought this lens used, everythig works fine, sharp pictures,
autofocus is good/fast. It even looks unused. Just that rather "no
feeling" manual focus ring.
I was planning to use it for tripod work, and therefore using manual
focusing...

Thanks!
yes, i experienced that too. very little resistence in the manual focus and zoom. it's not a tank but doesn't feel cheap either.
my pics with lens lense are pretty good for sharpness, color, and contrast.
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Darrin Lingle
 
-- thanks D. L.!

Btw. Just did a sharpness test at 24mm on the 18-35 against the 24-120VR. (just for checking the focus on 18-35):
Ended up with two apparently identical images.

Test data:

f/8, focus distance: 0,5M, RAW, mirror lock up (VR off on 24-120) and viewed in NX-2. If I mixed the images, I couldn't tell which was taken with which lens, apparently the 18-35 should be just a bit sharper...

Have you compared it to another lens you have?

Regards
 
-- thanks D. L.!

Btw. Just did a sharpness test at 24mm on the 18-35 against the
24-120VR. (just for checking the focus on 18-35):
Ended up with two apparently identical images.

Test data:
f/8, focus distance: 0,5M, RAW, mirror lock up (VR off on 24-120) and
viewed in NX-2. If I mixed the images, I couldn't tell which was
taken with which lens, apparently the 18-35 should be just a bit
sharper...

Have you compared it to another lens you have?

Regards
not yet but try comparing the two at f5.6 and 24mm. i bet the 18-35mm is sharper.

also, did you check corner sharpness and what does the serial number of your 24-120 start with?

i'm waiting to hear back from nikon's customer service to see if there's more than one version of the 24-120vr and if there was a defect early on. the one i bought years ago was real soft.

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Darrin Lingle
 
not yet but try comparing the two at f5.6 and 24mm. i bet the 18-35mm
is sharper.
My guess also, but at 24-35mm I tend to stop down for my kind of photography. but I'll check it.
also, did you check corner sharpness and what does the serial number
of your 24-120 start with?
It's a 5-series lens freshly delivered from Nikon'n main distribusion centre for Scandinavia. For my simple test i used a cushion! with fine textures in the fabric and very fine fibers (low contrast) so the far edges and extreme corners where not in focus. Although the expression in the image was the same apart from color; the 18-35 looks warmer - the 24-120 was "correct". Did this to simulate detail (somehow) usually found in nature photography. Obviously, I should have tested at longer distances too...
i'm waiting to hear back from nikon's customer service to see if
there's more than one version of the 24-120vr and if there was a
defect early on. the one i bought years ago was real soft.

--
Darrin Lingle
 
not yet but try comparing the two at f5.6 and 24mm. i bet the 18-35mm
is sharper.
My guess also, but at 24-35mm I tend to stop down for my kind of
photography. but I'll check it.
also, did you check corner sharpness and what does the serial number
of your 24-120 start with?
It's a 5-series lens freshly delivered from Nikon'n main distribusion
centre for Scandinavia. For my simple test i used a cushion! with
fine textures in the fabric and very fine fibers (low contrast) so
the far edges and extreme corners where not in focus. Although the
expression in the image was the same apart from color; the 18-35
looks warmer - the 24-120 was "correct". Did this to simulate detail
(somehow) usually found in nature photography. Obviously, I should
have tested at longer distances too...
i'm waiting to hear back from nikon's customer service to see if
there's more than one version of the 24-120vr and if there was a
defect early on. the one i bought years ago was real soft.

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Darrin Lingle
interesting. you may have mentioned it earlier, but what body are you using on this lens?

well i did a test last night on a tripod with the 24-120vr. using a special focusing chart to check for back and front focusing with wide open aperture.

my serial number "4" series achieves perfect balanced focus at AF fine tune setting -12 at 120mm, at 50-85mm the adjustment needed was -8, and at 24mm the adjustment was only -1 (almost perfect).

is this why so many people have different opinions about this lens? some test it at 120mm and some test it at 24mm. the ones testing it at 120 might say the lens is soft but maybe it's just the focus is off the most at that focal length.
did you try your test at different focal lengths?
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Darrin Lingle
 
-- I'm using a D700, a recent and first Nikon for me. (Although quite familiar with most systems as I for a ten year period worked in the photo business, selling both professional and amateur photographic equipment.)

Below I write an opinion, well known in the business here. Although some might have other opinons, but it was wide discussions about this theme for some time...

When Nikon D1 entered the market, most photographers discovered that a lot of Nikon lenses did not fare well with the new "Digital format" (including Pro zooms). Mostly chromatic aberrations and diffraction was the problem. Software to correct this easily was not present, and most photographers weren't familiar enough with digital photography. Canon also encountered these problems - more lightly, but here we enters the core: Canon, and let me also include Minolta, had changed the lens mount earlier to allow for "development" Read: AF and electronic contacts. Due to the larger diameter of the lens mount, (Canon has the widest) lens design was made easier. This shows easiest in zooms, where edge sharpness, low vignetting and CA was easier to achieve for Minolta and Canon. Nikon on the other hand, where a little stuck with their commitment to the "F" lens mount. Even Nikon told us (as a professional dealer) that they never would produce a "full frame digital camera". Boy, was I surprised when the D3 came! (I had then left the photo business) Nowadays, many D3/D700 owners enjoy these old "useless" lenses again :-)

To cut a little short, due to the lens mount, Nikon has to put a lot more effort to provide "sharp all over the frame optics" - mostly wide zooms. I actually think that Nikon has to put a lot more specialized and expensive glass into their optics, than exc. Minolta and Canon have to to achieve the same performance.

Even the highly acclaimed AF-S 24-70 2,8 suffers from softer edges and corners wide open, but otherwise top class optics stopped down. And this is what get to me and many others about classification of optics, it's all about post perception of a product. When we shot on film, no one threw them selves over the light box to check the lens' weakness at the far edges or corners with a 10-15X loupe on slide film! There we have today's challenge... we should be more busy checking composition, exposure and overall subjective image quality - not the technical quality alone. Most really good professional (read also successful) photographers don't really care about their equipment - apart from reliability and handling. (and you should see the abuse some of them put their gear through - "Camerabag? - I have the equipment all over in the booth of my car) I'm sure some of them are here on this forum too, and would probably support that.

On the AF-S 14-24 I think the Nikon engineers threw a party when that was finished, it's simply an amazing quality - going through the most narrow lens mount on the 35mm system.

So, back to 24-120, I have not done a focus test like you, but will later. In the below link to another post on this forum, I'm referring to a fairly old test on this AF-S 24-120 VR (probably to an early series) Now I'm more busy using this and 18-35, 105VR and 50/1,8 as picture making devices! Just waiting for that 300/4 VR! I do also have a complete Minolta system with very nice optics, so spoiled that is... :-) And I don't feel "let down" by this very much discussed lens, I just avoid putting very important objects in the last 3mm's of the frame :-D :-D And for the softness wide open at wideangle - it is not that much! Rumors are a dangerous thing...:-)

And no, no real test at other focal lengths, but found that the 50mm is a very little sharper, by a margin - a small one. A fast 35/50/85 is invaluable anyway! Me think!

Wrote a little about a test here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=29922815

And my heart is still with Minolta :-( (Nikon is a very good #2!) - It has to do with handling and feeling... Hoping Sony getting back on track with Minolta history, they are however an serious contender to look out for in the coming years, if they want to, they have the money, too bad Minolta run out of those money.

Regards
 
-- thanks D. L.!

Btw. Just did a sharpness test at 24mm on the 18-35 against the
24-120VR. (just for checking the focus on 18-35):
Ended up with two apparently identical images.

Test data:
f/8, focus distance: 0,5M, RAW, mirror lock up (VR off on 24-120) and
viewed in NX-2. If I mixed the images, I couldn't tell which was
taken with which lens, apparently the 18-35 should be just a bit
sharper...

Have you compared it to another lens you have?

Regards
What was the focusing distance?
 
-- Actually, i forgot: Instead of D1 it should say Kodak Pro 14n - the first full frame Nikon mount camera. Most (Nikon)photographers tested this for quality with Nikkor optics.

Sorry, tired... :-)
 
Test data:
f/8, focus distance: 0,5 Meter
What was the focusing distance?
-- See above!

:-)
Dawg, Gone Metric system!

Any how, try the same test focusing at infinity, lenses perform differently at different focusing distances. An example is the 28-70mm F2.8 which sometimes gets a bum rap for not being sharp enough when focusing at infinity, but focus on anything inside 25 feet ( 2 meters ?) and the results are stunning. Which makes sense since this lens was designed as a photo journalistic / red carpet lens.

The 18-35mm seems to be a landscape lens, so I wouldn't be surprised if it performed much better at infinity than under 5 feet, I mean .5 meters :-)
 
-- I'm using a D700, a recent and first Nikon for me. (Although quite
familiar with most systems as I for a ten year period worked in the
photo business, selling both professional and amateur photographic
equipment.)

Below I write an opinion, well known in the business here. Although
some might have other opinons, but it was wide discussions about this
theme for some time...

When Nikon D1 entered the market, most photographers discovered that
a lot of Nikon lenses did not fare well with the new "Digital format"
(including Pro zooms). Mostly chromatic aberrations and diffraction
was the problem. Software to correct this easily was not present, and
most photographers weren't familiar enough with digital photography.
Canon also encountered these problems - more lightly, but here we
enters the core: Canon, and let me also include Minolta, had changed
the lens mount earlier to allow for "development" Read: AF and
electronic contacts. Due to the larger diameter of the lens mount,
(Canon has the widest) lens design was made easier. This shows
easiest in zooms, where edge sharpness, low vignetting and CA was
easier to achieve for Minolta and Canon. Nikon on the other hand,
where a little stuck with their commitment to the "F" lens mount.
Even Nikon told us (as a professional dealer) that they never would
produce a "full frame digital camera". Boy, was I surprised when the
D3 came! (I had then left the photo business) Nowadays, many D3/D700
owners enjoy these old "useless" lenses again :-)

To cut a little short, due to the lens mount, Nikon has to put a lot
more effort to provide "sharp all over the frame optics" - mostly
wide zooms. I actually think that Nikon has to put a lot more
specialized and expensive glass into their optics, than exc. Minolta
and Canon have to to achieve the same performance.

Even the highly acclaimed AF-S 24-70 2,8 suffers from softer edges
and corners wide open, but otherwise top class optics stopped down.
And this is what get to me and many others about classification of
optics, it's all about post perception of a product. When we shot on
film, no one threw them selves over the light box to check the lens'
weakness at the far edges or corners with a 10-15X loupe on slide
film! There we have today's challenge... we should be more busy
checking composition, exposure and overall subjective image quality -
not the technical quality alone. Most really good professional (read
also successful) photographers don't really care about their
equipment - apart from reliability and handling. (and you should see
the abuse some of them put their gear through - "Camerabag? - I have
the equipment all over in the booth of my car) I'm sure some of them
are here on this forum too, and would probably support that.
i hear this quite a bit from pros and serious semi-pros. after they mention that, i ask them why they are using a camera body which costs over $3,000 and a lens that costs over $1,000. after that they change the subject so i've really never heard an answer.

artistic skill, composition, and technique are more important but quality does matter. sometimes the difference is so small that you can't tell unless you blow it up to 100% but sometimes, it's a night and day difference like my first 24-120vr. it was so bad that it wasn't even worth using. i sold it almost immediately. it worked as far as i know but the picture quality was the same as the old 18-55 canon kit lens (very very soft and washed out, even stopped down).

--
Darrin Lingle
 
Test data:
f/8, focus distance: 0,5 Meter
What was the focusing distance?
-- See above!

:-)
Dawg, Gone Metric system!

Any how, try the same test focusing at infinity, lenses perform
differently at different focusing distances. An example is the
28-70mm F2.8 which sometimes gets a bum rap for not being sharp
enough when focusing at infinity, but focus on anything inside 25
feet ( 2 meters ?) and the results are stunning. Which makes sense
since this lens was designed as a photo journalistic / red carpet
lens.

The 18-35mm seems to be a landscape lens, so I wouldn't be surprised
if it performed much better at infinity than under 5 feet, I mean .5
meters :-)
i think there's about 3 feet per meter.

true, i wonder if the focus distance has to do with the optical quality or is it the accuracy of the auto focus system?
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Darrin Lingle
 
-- Of course quality matters, it's one of the reasons I'm going to try the 18-35 which is supposed to be as sharp as (if not better than) some primes.

Cheers!
 
-- Of course quality matters, it's one of the reasons I'm going to
try the 18-35 which is supposed to be as sharp as (if not better
than) some primes.
I think that you're in for a disappointment. Corner performance is a weak point of this lens. Especially on FX but even on DX I was able to see poor corner performance. On top of that resolution dropped significantly already at f/11 across the whole focal range.

It is a good budget lens, especially at f/8 but nothing more. I have many primes that perform better (20mm 3.5 AI-S, 28mm 2,8 AI-S, AF 35mm 2,0) and even the Tamron 17-35mm 2,8-4,0 is better than the 18-35mm (but has weak corners, too).

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swivelfan (I started with the legendary Coolpix swivel series: 9 9 5 / 4 5 0 0 with all the converters, now D 2 0 0 and a few lenses)
 
-- I know corners are possibly not the greatest here, not many Nikon lenses are (FX). And I am curios about the 35mm f/2 ...

Although the 18-35 is one of the best in the Nikon stable (stopped down). I'm not very fond of third party stuff...
 

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