Is G10 that much better

Russ,

Just yesterday, you had a post about the stock market having effect on our future buying or not.

If the G9 serves you well, keep it, if not .... go ahead and buy the G10
its just money and photography is about the person behind the camera.
I am sure the G10 will have awesome improvements.

Just my 5Cents.

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sue anne
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I understand that, it just seems that 800 or 1600 is mentioned so often.
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Yeah, Les, I have some good pictures I took with our little box camera in the 1940s. When film got past 25 ASA I thought it was heaven. Progress)
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sueanne, they all serve me well) I just love new toys... Got my name on list at the local store.
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Don't sell the G9 for the G10 Russ, keep the 9, get the 10, and be happy. It's the only logical thing to do. You could end up with over 120 cameras like I have! It's great fun and very irritating to the wife. There's a camera on display in just about every room in my house except for the bathrooms and that's only because I only have one underwater case and plan to use it for my G9. If the 9 dies I'll put it in that case and on display in the master bath and immediately buy a G10.

If you have to go for a different camera from the G10 because you decide to keep the 9 that's ok, you can always get the 10 at a later date when you're sure the bugs have been worked out.

But that G10 sure looks sweet right now, and what a great backup camera the G9 would be for it!!
Dave

Graphicdave said:

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Don't sell the G9 for the G10 Russ, keep the 9, get the 10, and be
happy. It's the only logical thing to do. You could end up with over
120 cameras like I have!

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OMGoodness, 120 - and I thought the few too many I had was enough.

Graphicdave said:

It's great fun and very irritating to the
wife. There's a camera on display in just about every room in my
house except for the bathrooms and that's only because I only have
one underwater case and plan to use it for my G9. If the 9 dies I'll
put it in that case and on display in the master bath and immediately
buy a G10.

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Hmmm, the way you said this, I thought you take the G9 in the shower/bath with you.

Graphicdave said:

If you have to go for a different camera from the G10 because you
decide to keep the 9 that's ok, you can always get the 10 at a later
date when you're sure the bugs have been worked out.
But that G10 sure looks sweet right now, and what a great backup
camera the G9 would be for it!!
Dave

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sue anne
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By golly Dave, you have me convinced! What a great idea. I do keep a F20 in the car dash all the time and my wife carries the S410 all the time, and I have the G9 hanging around my neck all the time I am outdoors. With the G10 I could keep the G9 inside the car in a safe place and be covered. It does look like a winner to me.
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it often it makes the difference between a shot or nothing.

I often do not have the luxury of setting up a tripod, turning on more light, or lugging around a flash the size of my camera.

I shoot many indoor scenes and family shots with 400 because it is the fastest I can tolerate, but if i could buy a pocket able camera that could shoot an acceptable 800 I would jump on it and use 800 for those shots I sometimes miss at 400.
IMO NPH and NPZ do better than any non-DSLR digital.

2 years ago I shot the birth of my child with NPZ @ iso 720 with a 50mm 1.8 prime because I knew it would yield better results than any digital i could use at the time.

I understand that high iso and small sensors means noise, I see no problem with pushing for constant improvement.

rkhndjr said:

Greg, I have asked this before since it is mentioned constantly, why
do so many seem to have an urge to shoot at high ISO? No offense, I
really am curious, If I can't get a picture at 200 I think I is too
dark and I wait. That is just MY opinion and I do not expect others
to feel this way.
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--No sueanne, I would never take a camera in the bath/shower, if I pointed it in the wrong direction I'd be afraid it would go into shock and never work again!

Russ, some of my comments were made in jest but I do think you would regret selling the G9. I still regret giving away my first generation Yashica Electro 35 that I bought in 1968. I have since replaced it with another Electro 35 but the original one now has sentimental value that it didn't have when I gave it away. That camera took some of the best shots I have ever taken, mostly slides and the exposure was spot on, even for night shots at over 45 seconds with K25.

I'm sure you have a soft spot in your heart for your G9 so think long and hard before you let her go.

It's only money Russ, you can't take it with you and the kids would just squander it.
Dave

If the constant improvement involves a lot of noise it seems to be a poor choice. Wait for another time, or subject matter. It isn't the end of the world if you miss a shot due to low light.
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So true, Dave. My problem was that I spent it all my life and there is no great nest egg now to worry about the kids fighting over. I do have enough to buy the new G10 though) If we don't get some gas here and I have to stay at home much longer the kind of camera I have will not matter.
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--I wouldn't worry too much about the gas Russ, as long as there's food in the fridge, use plastic (Visa, Mastercard, etc.) and let Fedex use their gas to deliver the camera!

Well, I have to go exercise some shutters now, they get sticky if you don't use 'em.
Dave

Here's an example: Chewuch Inn, Winthrop, WA: f/3.5, 1/45 sec, ISO 2000. Whether or not it's worth taking is a moot point. However, there's no way at low ISO unless you're toting a tripod and have the patience, etc. ...



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Excuse me. This was meant to be one answer to your question. No amount of waiting would have produced enough light to get along with ISO 200. It all depends on what you want to do with your camera.
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I have to admit, I love your posts. Keep 'em coming.

With the new G10:

Look at the EXIF info from your G9 shots. What focal length were the majority of your shots taken? If you see many at the widest angle, maybe the G10 will help you get the wide angle shot that the G9 couldn't. If, on the other hand, most of your shots are beyond 160 mm, consider the purchase of a G10 might be money better saved, in this time of the stock market affecting our buying.

For me, a wider angle is valuable. What I like about the G10 range is that it covers:

28 mm which really is only a moderately wide angle - I love landscapes!

35-50 mm which are normal focal lengths — some of the best, historically, are here!

85-135 which are portrait focal lengths — the art of capturing, expressions, moods, and juxtapositions of the face, hopefully with great background their.

(Admittedly the G7/G9 should be better with bokeh due to their longer focal lengths)

The G10 seems to have changed many things, save a more telephoto lens:

a new, wider/shorter lens (not reviewed)
a better grip
an improved viewfinder (guessing smaller coverage, but no lens interference)

a much higher resolution LCD (better than the XSi/40D, but not 50D or 5d Mark II)

a better control set (especially the new exposure comp. dial/repositioning of ISO)
a new chip, Digic IV, (which hasn't been professionally reviewed)
an improved battery
an improved auto focus
faster maximum shutter
longer flash reach

Other things to consider:

According to a test done by Don Ellis:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=25698205

The G7/G9 lens is f 4.0 at 140 mm, whereas the new G10 is slower at f 4.5 at 140.

The G9 is proven. It has been demonstrated many times on this forum, in positive reviews, and in the media; it has been the choice of the majority of professional photographers as a portable digicam.

It has less pixel density.

On the other hand:

As with most higher end digital cameras, there have been some with problems... reported dust, pixels, etc.

The G10 is not proven.

What to tell the wife, if you decide to get the G10; the G10 is about the price of a lower end consumer lens, for the SLR system you used to own.

Don't tell her the lens would make substantially better photos or would retain its value better, all because you don't want to carry less than a pound more (the weight of an XSi with a kit lens, which I think you should consider)

Dave

True enough, or it may depend on how you happen to be in a certain place to take a picture. ISO2000 is a rare occurrence for sure.
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Heck, Dave, I exercise my shutters each day right in the backyard. Save my gas and occupy my time in a good fashion.
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I just sold my 30D since I saw once again that I was going to need more than one lens and the G9 or G10 was easier to carry and required no extra lenses. Much cheaper and easier to use) I used a DSLR for many years bafore the G9. Couldn't keep making trades for lenses and got tired of fooling with the large bag of gear. Sold it all and got the G9 last summer. It is all a trade off anyway you look at the art, or craft, of photography.
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Russ,

I understand where you are coming from. I value a small camera with great manual controls and very good IQ.

I have enjoyed my G9 and it will keep taking fine photos. I think the changes in G10 are evolutionary. not revolutionary. If the reviews support what I have been reading, the G10 will prove to be a better and improved G than the G9. OTOH I am also interested in the Panasonic G1 (small, but not so small) and the Olympus Micro 4/3 whenever that comes - a small, light weight body with a larger sensor, with interchangable lenses. Those cameras seem revolutionary, if they work. Again I want to read good reviews before I make a move.

As for you, I do not think the G10 will improve your photography. I believe you will continue to shoot fine photo's at low ISO's and there will only be rare instances that less noise at a higher ISO's will be of a benefit to you. 28mm vs 35 mm in the G9, might be of some value - but you have to make that call.

In any case, good luck with your decision.

Howard
http://www.photo.net/photos/howardfuhrman

I think of buying one and give my G7 to my son.

1/4000 is an improvement in my eyes but .7 fps vs 2.0 fps of the G7 (in the specs) is what I like less.

28mm for me a plus, 210mm of the G7 -a small camera and as such not so easy to hold as my D300 for long tele- I do not really need, 140mm is ok.

Karel