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VR 70~200 2.8 AF ED coming!
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hyslopc
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Thanks very much for posting this - it could just change my purchasing decision. Up until now I have been skeptical as to whether Nikon would be able to release a lot of VR lenses to match Canon's IS range, given Canon's patents on this technology. If this product comes to market, it shows that Nikon is serious about releasing professional-quality lenses with AF-S and VR.
I love reading BabelFish! Quite funny sometimes. I noticed that this is an ED lens, which I know means it is very high quality - the fact that it has a fixed 2.8 aperture leaves that as a given. However it's also a G lens - can someone give me a rundown on what this means? Or post a link to Nikon's reference on the "G series"? Will all new Nikon lenses be G lenses?
I love reading BabelFish! Quite funny sometimes. I noticed that this is an ED lens, which I know means it is very high quality - the fact that it has a fixed 2.8 aperture leaves that as a given. However it's also a G lens - can someone give me a rundown on what this means? Or post a link to Nikon's reference on the "G series"? Will all new Nikon lenses be G lenses?
Hendrix HK
Leading Member
Put it in a simple way, G lens did not have the "outer" aperture ring,
can't work with FM2,F4, and even F90X
The G-type design is primarily designed for the newest Nikon SLR models,
including both 35mm and digital, all of which include a Sub-Command Dial, from
which aperture control is possible.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=141412&TICK=NIKON3&STORY=/www/story/02-21-2002/0001673415&EDATE=Feb+21,+2002
This selection of high technology features is an example of how Nikon
approaches lens design, blending each lens' handling characteristics with
those of the camera, for total handling excellence and then selectively
choosing optical design technology to maximize imaging performance. The AF
Zoom-Nikkor 28-100mm f/3.5-5.6G lens is currently compatible with most Nikon
SLR camera models. These include the D1x, D1H and D100 digital SLR cameras as
well as the F5, F100, N80, N65 and N55 35mm film SLR cameras
Toralf Sandker
Forum Enthusiast
The G lenses can be used on other cameras wit full metering in P and S modes. My F90x is just fine with G lenses provided I put it in one of these modes.
Toralf
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Hendrix HK
Leading Member
So it that means F90x can't use it in A mode ?
I have F90x but no G lens. I use A mode most of the time.
hyslopc
Senior Member
OK, so it means it has no aperture ring. I can see that some people would say that an aperture ring is unnecessary, so subjectively speaking, it's not a disadvantage. But what's the upside? Just lower production cost?
Toralf Sandker
Forum Enthusiast
That's right. If you use it in A-mode (as I also prefer) the f-stop will be continuously minimum aperture whatever it is. This is all but unusable IMHO.
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Toralf Sandker
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According to Nikon, probably. Also, it makes it possible to build cheaper cameras, as these cameras don't need mechanical couplings, only electronic ones. Then again these cameras don't support AI lenses. This is the braking point og the F bayonet compatibility.
Of course you won't save anything in the camera if it's a pro camera like the D1-series that support both G-type lenses and AI lenses.
Toralf
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Of course you won't save anything in the camera if it's a pro camera like the D1-series that support both G-type lenses and AI lenses.
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Danny Brenner
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Nikon Germany states that the lens will be available in the second half of 2002. Which means, somewhere in the next six months. I'm waiting to exchange my AF-S 80-200 for this one. The price in the U.S will be around $1700.
Robert Briggs
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I'll go out on a limb here since I've never seen a G lens. But I think it would allow you to instantly switch from Aperture to Shutter/Program priority without having to lock open the aperture with that little tab on the D lens. Thus you wouldn't need to remove the lens to switch between Aperture and Shutter/Program priority modes.
Am I close?
Bob
Am I close?
Bob
Jason Busch
Veteran Member
HKoo7,
Yeah, it's coming. But not for a long time. Those who are debating getting an AF-S 800-200, better get one, or just get a cheaper zoom, because the wait will be a while. Probably Dec 2002, or Jan 2003.
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Yeah, it's coming. But not for a long time. Those who are debating getting an AF-S 800-200, better get one, or just get a cheaper zoom, because the wait will be a while. Probably Dec 2002, or Jan 2003.
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Nikon Dave
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Bob,
Not sure what you mean here. I use a D1x and "instantly" shift between A and S modes, never touch the lens (the aperture has been locked since I got the setup, and I have never rmoved the lens to change this - don't need to).
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Not sure what you mean here. I use a D1x and "instantly" shift between A and S modes, never touch the lens (the aperture has been locked since I got the setup, and I have never rmoved the lens to change this - don't need to).
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Anthony Medici
Veteran Member
The rumor mill says that the reason the 80-400 VR is an AFD instead of an AFS is because there weren't enough contacts. The 80-400 VR has the mechanical aperture ring and it uses some of the contacts to maintain that.
In removing the aperture ring, you free up some of the connections and allow the use of an AFS with the VR system. Note that from those new pictures, the VR system has two buttons where the original only had a 3 position slide switch. Also, I wonder what is "normal VR" vs "active VR"?
I just hope that this VR works with the TC1.4 II!
Tony
In removing the aperture ring, you free up some of the connections and allow the use of an AFS with the VR system. Note that from those new pictures, the VR system has two buttons where the original only had a 3 position slide switch. Also, I wonder what is "normal VR" vs "active VR"?
I just hope that this VR works with the TC1.4 II!
Tony
Hendrix HK
Leading Member
"normal VR" for normal hand hold, "active VR" for use on a car or boat.
"active VR" use up more battery power.
Anthony Medici
Veteran Member
So how does that compare to the current VR modes? Is this system different or simply different names? I don't use one of the modes in the current VR because "it is a waste". Is one of these just like that?
I guess I'll have to wait until they come out.
Tony
I guess I'll have to wait until they come out.
Tony
Hendrix HK
Leading Member
What I said is just what I read, so I also not 100% sure about that.
I have 80~400 VR , it also have 2 VR state, mode 2 is VR only on with shutter,
mode 1 is VR on with shutter button half pressed , I think this is for power saving.
Daniel KELLY
Forum Enthusiast
the wait will be a while. Probably Dec 2002, or Jan
How could you possibly know that? I believe the hype has alredy begun and like the D100 it won't be long to follow.
Daniel
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Ed Nazarko
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it not only saves power, but it saves stomachs. some people particularly susceptible to motion sickness (like me) find that sighting and following a subject using VR active produces acute nausea after awhile. example - at a race track, following cars until you hit the framing points you've chosen. even though the VR compensates for small motions and gives your eyes a still image, your inner ear knows better. i learned this quite, um, graphically, a few times - i'd heard about it and didn't believe it, but do now. i now only use the more-active setting for short periods.
but i LOVE the lens. can't wait for the new VR lens - am already concocting stories to explain to my wife the budgeteer why i need it so much and so soon.
but i LOVE the lens. can't wait for the new VR lens - am already concocting stories to explain to my wife the budgeteer why i need it so much and so soon.
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Ed Nazarko
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this "evolution," which seems sensible, is going to causeme a lot of financial pain. i've always used my trusty F3HP as my backup camera, since it worked with everything that my newer Nikons do. but the G lenses will force me to abandon a camera that's been a reliable good old friend, and buy a new one - or carry two of several key lenses, not acceptable. which i suspect is used in internal meetings at Nikon as another advantage of the G lenses. sad.
I have to agree with you ed...
I think the higher up the zoom range you are, the louder your brain starts to complain.. from an almost inaudiable 'hey..thats strange' at the lower zoom range to a high pitched 'oh my god..oh my god make it stop, i wanna get off !!!'
regards,
Finkployd
I poped into the local store to check out a canon IS (image stabalised) lense (the 100-400).. the assistant handed me the camera and after only a few 'tries' I was feeling like I used too when I was 5 and couped up in my parents car on long car trips. But it is an awsome system...the moment the shutter button is semi-depressed the image becomes steady and you can hear your brain go 'uh-oh'
I think the higher up the zoom range you are, the louder your brain starts to complain.. from an almost inaudiable 'hey..thats strange' at the lower zoom range to a high pitched 'oh my god..oh my god make it stop, i wanna get off !!!'
I had to hand it back before I made a mess everywhere ! It will take some getting used too ...but definatly an amazing difference. Go and try it out if you havn't yet.
regards,
Finkployd
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