Is a pro pentax coming

The new "baby Pentax"
will clear a lot of old inventory of older parts and will bring new
people to the Pentax system.
Such a camera is more than any dependent on marketing and distribution; a traditional Pentax weakness. I have no doubt that the camera is great, but the potential customers need to get to know that...
The real test for them IMO is to make
enough cameras to meet demand (for all models) and to give us a higer
than K20D camera with as many new system inside as possible.
Pentax problem is not to meet demand, but to create demand for their cameras.
The real
test will be the global market share at the end of 2008.
Make that end of 2009. 2008 will be depressing reading I fear....
 
My guess is that we will see a K30D at photokina 08, a 14mp APS-C
model with more than 3fps, but is otherwise similar to the K20D.
There simply is not enough time for Pentax to develop anything else.
What do you mean by not enough time? What do you think they have
doing the last couple of years? The K20D and K200D are just fix-ups
of existing designs. The P&S are outsourced. They must have been busy
with something...
What Pentax SHOULD have been working on over the last 6 months is a firmware upgrade for the K20D that delivers a USEFUL Liveview i.e can be use to show effects of exposure, WB and Focus on screen in realtime.

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The K20D matched two of the rumours going around before its
announcement - namely the 14mp sensor and live-view.
And the same sources now have firm information of the coming high-end
Pentax. Is it true this time as well?
Of course not. It is a rumour after all! ;-)
The other rumours which I suspect will turn up in a K1D (but didn't
make the K20D) were/are
  • completely new AF system
  • completely new exposure system
  • new mag-alloy body
I believe this was speculations, not rumors....
Well speculation is best described as reasonable assumptions. Rumours come originally from people who claim specific knowledge or information. These were rumours as specific individuals claimed to have specific knowledge. However, this of course does not make them any more reliable than pure speculation - especially as these are things that Pentax should be implementing in a pro-spec DSLR.
But essentially there is nothing solid at the moment and we haven't
had much of note since the K20D which leads me to suspect that
whatevers coming in September isn't a K1D but a K2000D entry level
camera.
It is even more solid now than back them, but it doesn't have to be
true anyway....
No it doesn't. Indeed some of the things Benjamin Kanerek (SP?) was saying before the K20D was announced were/are patently not true. His assertions about a FF DSLR in September (as expressed on the 'other' forum) are best taken in a similar vein.

In fact the rumours of the K20D were mostly horffically in accurate - or I should perhaps say over-exagerated.

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... can seriously answer your question. The D300 seems to be the fastest in its class for now, and of course the D700 ad D3 are as fast, at least.

Having the K20D, I don't think the AF is a issue as long as you use the Internal focus lenses, such as the superb DA* series.
Now, if you need more than 3 FPS, the K20D is not on your list, indeed.

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... I never use it! Do you really use it?

No offense, a simple question.

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No it doesn't. Indeed some of the things Benjamin Kanerek (SP?) was
saying before the K20D was announced were/are patently not true.
Well, the facts he presented were all true (after all he was shooting with it Lol ). However, he might been a bit overenthusiastic over it about how fantastic it was. This time he only supply cold facts.....
 
No it doesn't. Indeed some of the things Benjamin Kanerek (SP?) was
saying before the K20D was announced were/are patently not true.
Well, the facts he presented were all true (after all he was shooting
with it Lol ). However, he might been a bit overenthusiastic over it
about how fantastic it was. This time he only supply cold facts.....
'Facts' is an interesting word to use! I guess you are right though (and I am not saying he was being deliberately misleading - overenthusiastic is a good word). We shall have to see. I must admit to being slightly impaitient as the K20D doesn't quite grab me enough to invest in one and I am eager to know when/if a higher spec model is to be released.

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I would never use the live view on the K20D but I do on my point and shoot Canon A640 ... specifically for candid shots ... to me the point of live view without a tilting screen but once really sorted it might have its uses from time to time
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'Facts' is an interesting word to use! I guess you are right though
(and I am not saying he was being deliberately misleading -
overenthusiastic is a good word). We shall have to see.
They are facts if they turn out true Lol
 
The new "baby Pentax"
will clear a lot of old inventory of older parts and will bring new
people to the Pentax system.
Such a camera is more than any dependent on marketing and
distribution; a traditional Pentax weakness. I have no doubt that the
camera is great, but the potential customers need to get to know
that...
This is the perfect type of camera for online and hypermarket sales. I don't know other markets but our is price driven and a nice combo of cheaper cameras (2000D and 200D) with good kit lenses will sell a lot. Let alone those who'll buy it as a second body (and benefit from a lot of modern stuff older D cameras don't have.
The real test for them IMO is to make
enough cameras to meet demand (for all models) and to give us a higer
than K20D camera with as many new system inside as possible.
Pentax problem is not to meet demand, but to create demand for their
cameras.
Again you're wrong regarding at least my country were the number of cameras and lenses alocated by Pentax Europe is smaller than demand and hence many things are backordered. They only recently began to ship as many K200D as needed (btw K200D is a great sales hit for Pentax here).
The real
test will be the global market share at the end of 2008.
Make that end of 2009. 2008 will be depressing reading I fear....
We'll see about that and knowing the fact that I am right more often than you are :D I say Pentax' market share will rise by at least 50% year to year.

Radu
 
Again you're wrong regarding at least my country were the number of
cameras and lenses alocated by Pentax Europe is smaller than demand
and hence many things are backordered. They only recently began to
ship as many K200D as needed (btw K200D is a great sales hit for
Pentax here).
According to recent interviews with Hoya Pentax DSLR sales are sluggish and far from meeting targets. Markedshare is below 4%.
We'll see about that and knowing the fact that I am right more often
than you are :D I say Pentax' market share will rise by at least 50%
year to year.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pentax marketshare has dropped 50% in 2008 compared to 2007....That might be streching it a little, but theres all likehood of a decline.
 
From the solid actual evidence i've read, Photokina is likely to have an entry level Kx000D camera, maybe a prototype APS-C KxD camera and hopefully some more lenses.

Anything else is a bonus. Pentax biggest issue is people wanting them to be just like Nikon and Canon.

Thats my realistic point of view.

Rumours on anything else don't have a lot of credibility. Any the only solid FF rumour was words like "We are starting to plan for a FF camera". That doesn't sound like anytime soon.

More chance of a reworked 645D with a Samsung sensor than a FF camera.

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... I never use it! Do you really use it?

No offense, a simple question.
On a tripod good liveview zoom can be awesome for checking focus. Non-zoomed it can help to show composition in a different and sometimes more comfortable way also (Pentax has this part pretty good in my opinion).

The things good liveview zoom can do cannot be done by any viewfinder, even a splitprizm focus screen, which most people are happy to admit they like.

I think liveview gets a bad rap by nostalgic old timers (or old timers in training) who are resistant to change that might seem more consumerist or gimmicky IF they don't stop to think about the advantages.

Would I ever hold the SLR in front of me and compose with liveview like it was a p&s? NEVER. Are there other uses like when working overhead or at odd angles, zooming to check critical focus when using a tripod? YES. Heck I even like it sometimes as a second "stepped back" view at my composition (on tripod).

Why is it so hard for people to get that? I wonder if there were as many naysayers to AF when it came around? People need to not be so closed minded in my opinion.

Chris
 
I could imagine Pentax also bringing some sort of compact camera with
interchangeable lens system (hopefully K-mount compatible, at least
through adapter) with APS-C sensor ... sort of 'mirco APS-C' system.

If such a camera would have a Limited lens style & qualitiy body: I'd
go for it!
{I'd "allow" them to also build an entry level 'plastic body' version.}

Imagine how nicely a silent (no mirrorbox) APS-C lens with SDM-lens
support would work. Or with Limited lenses in manual focus operation.
And also imagine how small this would be with ie. a DA40 Ltd!

SpaceDoc
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What, you mean almost identical to the new micro system that Olympus have proposed? Hmm, sounds attractive doesn't it?
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My guess is that we will see a K30D at photokina 08, a 14mp APS-C
model with more than 3fps, but is otherwise similar to the K20D.
There simply is not enough time for Pentax to develop anything else.
The K30D is a replacement model for the K20D and won't seen the light of day until 2009, probably fall 2009. The K20D has just been released. Pentax has 1 - 1 1/2 year between the models. Not 6 months! 6 months between the models are for the p&s digicompacts, not for the DSLR's.

When the K10D was released, Pentax (K D Torigoe and K Tatamiya of Pentax Corp) confirmed that they were working on a model above the K10D replacement model, that they were already working on at the time of the K10D release.

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Pentax has a prototype for a K-mount APS-C camera without optical viewfinder and without mirror. They also has a prototype for a new digital compact system with interchangeable lenses, in this system each lens had it's own sensor to match the specific needs of the lens. So the camera only had image processing technologies, but not the actual image sensor (beacuse it was all in the lens).

Those prototypes has been showned on past image/photo shows, as examples of Pentax design ideas that did not enter production.
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I could imagine Pentax also bringing some sort of compact camera with
interchangeable lens system (hopefully K-mount compatible, at least
through adapter) with APS-C sensor ... sort of 'mirco APS-C' system.

If such a camera would have a Limited lens style & qualitiy body: I'd
go for it!
{I'd "allow" them to also build an entry level 'plastic body' version.}

Imagine how nicely a silent (no mirrorbox) APS-C lens with SDM-lens
support would work. Or with Limited lenses in manual focus operation.
And also imagine how small this would be with ie. a DA40 Ltd!
Any existing K mount lens would need an adaptor to increase the distance from a reduced registration distance mount, slim body. The new mount would probably need to be reduced in size as well, i.e. a Kr (K reduced) mount. With an adaptor of around 20/25mm in length, your pancake lenses wouldn't seem so small!

If the new mount were to be all electronic (as I suspect it would need to be in a modern cost effective design) the adaptor would also need electronic to mechanical conversion for aperture control and an AF motor for non-SDM lenses. I guess it would be fairly expensive.

I had suggested (in another thread) that a Pentax EVIL (Electronic Vf, Int Lens) camera with a KR (K Reduced mount) with APS sensor would obviously be known as the EVIL KRAPS system! ];-)
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im not an old timer but Im reluctant in buying a camera for its LV (sony a300/350) in the expense of a smaller OVF.

Live view in bright daylight is useless, but i admit its very usefull inside the studio
 
I have lots of SMC coatings but not an SMC coated crystal ball..

Tonight we will eat chicken so I will throw the bones on the floor and will try to interprete the result......
My guess is that we will see a K30D at photokina 08, a 14mp APS-C
model with more than 3fps, but is otherwise similar to the K20D.
There simply is not enough time for Pentax to develop anything else.
I think it more likely that the K30D was under develoment before the K20D was marketed....

But given the timeframe, about 13-16 months between bodies that are supposed to be successors I doubt we will see an announcement this year. There may be other announcements on bodies (K3D??? Too late for K1D) but I have a hunch next PMA or whatever show in the next few months/year won't be very exciting bodywise but may give nice things in the lens department.
Also they're allready rebating K20D ... they need space to stock.

If not: at least a K20Ds.

We'll also see a K100D at Photokina - entry level dSLR. SDM-lenses
only, no screwdriver lens motor any more. =;-o
Extremely unlikely. A K30D is at least a year away....
I think it is the K2000D we will see
I doubt it...... There may be something you expect but it won;t be named K2000D.... I think it will be the first of the 3 series like K3000D but even more likely that the K-series may end here and we will see an M or L series...

Now, off to catch a chicken.

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