THOM & Nikon

Folks,

Roy's post is obviously, without a doubt, out and out, over the top humor.

I think the problem here is that American satire may not translate all that well to other cultures. But I can assure you that Roy's post is not that of a troll.

The idea of satire is to take a fact (Thom recommends the use of a Wendy's knife), and stretching that fact to limits that are so far-fetched and absurd, that it becomes comical (accusing Thom of plotting to make money from Wendy's stock by driving people into Wendy's to obtain Wendy's knives...a virtually impossile task in reality).

Roy was trying to be funny, and did a pretty good job of it, too.

Ron

Thanks Ron, Everybody is way to serious, the fact that I had to eat at Wendy's in order to get a knife to clean a $5000 camera is the real joke. I really appreciate Mr.Hogan who is inexhaustable in his mission to do things Nikon should have done in the first place i.e. make a CCD that can be easily cleaned, make a flash that works as it should with digital. I run a digital department with five photogs and asked them all to review Thom's D1 C.D. before using the camera as the manual that came with the camera only tells 'part of the story'. Without guy's like Thom spending a lot of time explaining how to clean a CCD or how to get around the TTL flash problems my job would be a lot tougher, I don't have time to test every different flash mode to find out which works the best (AA,matrix,put the dome on when you're close, rear curtain), I shoot on deadline. The bad taste here comes from Nikon, why can't they let guy's like Thom write the manual and not make him write 'the missing manual'. I appaud Mr.Hogan's dogged persistance (offered freely in most instances) to helping people take good pictures

Ron Hildebrand said:

Folks,

Roy's post is obviously, without a doubt, out and out, over the top
humor.

I think the problem here is that American satire may not translate
all that well to other cultures. But I can assure you that Roy's
post is not that of a troll.

The idea of satire is to take a fact (Thom recommends the use of a
Wendy's knife), and stretching that fact to limits that are so
far-fetched and absurd, that it becomes comical (accusing Thom of
plotting to make money from Wendy's stock by driving people into
Wendy's to obtain Wendy's knives...a virtually impossile task in
reality).

Roy was trying to be funny, and did a pretty good job of it, too.

Ron

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Ger Bee said:

... southern hospitality. Any out of work clan members want to make
a burning cross of Hogan’s guide to Nikon’s CDs?

And get it on video and upload it in flash or quicktime and let’s
have a burning all across the world.

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I generally make it a practice of not responding directly to attempts at humor, political statements, or using a public forum to personally bash a person or group. But I can't let your attempt at humor stand without response, Ger. How do you know that I'm not black? Even though I'm not, I find your post in very poor taste.

As you may have noticed, a few folk didn't "get" the original post and interpreted it as an attack on me rather than the humor it attempted to be. Thus, I can guarantee you that there will be folk that interpret yours the same way, and that means they'll also mark you up as a racist and censor (book burner). We have enough of those problems in the real world without accidentally introducing it into forums that supposedly deal with digital cameras...

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

For me - a newbie here - I send out a Big Personal Thanks to Thom for the guidance, suggestions, (yes I will get the books!) - and the time he takes and spends in this forum and on each and everyone of here that has a problem, concern, question, etc.

Thom has done a service many others have - writing manuals on Photoshop, Flash, Macromedia and any other topic that comes written from 'tech writers'. Most manuals of software/hardware seem to be written with the intent the reader already knows the product and only needs a teeny reminder of a FEW relevant points!

Now, as for Wendy's - i've never been there. I'm vegetarian and though they have salad - my desire for yet another salad was diminished many many years ago when that was all that was available. HOWEVER, i will go there, dutifully choke down another salad (and perhaps have to pick a few pieces of chicken or bacon or cheese out of it - which is a horrific ordeal to a true veg head!) - JUST TO OBTAIN A WENDY'S KNIFE!

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his suggestion -

morals, ethics and my own strong-willed personality aside -

a Wendy's Knife it will be!

(hey! who am i to argue? I have a parrot that will only eat his baby food off a carvel spoon?)

Perhaps the economic slump will recover - stock will rise - and PLASTIC WILL RULE!

(how many used that in obtaining your D1x?)



BW

Roy Feldman said:

Ron Hildebrand said:

Folks,

Roy's post is obviously, without a doubt, out and out, over the top
humor.

I think the problem here is that American satire may not translate
all that well to other cultures. But I can assure you that Roy's
post is not that of a troll.

The idea of satire is to take a fact (Thom recommends the use of a
Wendy's knife), and stretching that fact to limits that are so
far-fetched and absurd, that it becomes comical (accusing Thom of
plotting to make money from Wendy's stock by driving people into
Wendy's to obtain Wendy's knives...a virtually impossile task in
reality).

Roy was trying to be funny, and did a pretty good job of it, too.

Ron

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Chocolate is one of the four major food groups

BullsW said:

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen
knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food
joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his
suggestion -

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Actually, the "why" is simple: most of the other fast food places have knife (and fork and spoon) handles that taper at the end. The Wendy's knife is somewhat unique in that it stays full width out to the end. Note, however, that Wendy's quality control leaves a lot to be desired. Some knives have flat ends, some have a distinct V in them. Doesn't make much difference, though, as you have to sand down the edge anyway, otherwise it's too thick and you can't get the "swab" past the edge of the CCD. Just remember that if you sand, cut, or otherwise modify the knife, run it through a few wash cycles to remove all the grit and dust you produce!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

in this oyster is definitely a pearl.......

a pearl of wisdom...

the reasoning behind a Wendy's knife...
Big Thanks

not being a 'fast foodie' i would never have known. or even thought of it. Though next time i'm invited to a picnic i shall pay strict attention to the 'flatware'...

first i learned to solder, now trimming and sanding plastic knives...My education continues! :-O)

(but about that extra bit of 'housework' involved! dishes? yeek!)

now if only my very intelligent parrot - (who does talk and understand) - would divulge his preference for a Carvel spoon!

now to go about browsing the yellow pages for the nearest Wendy's...

BW

Roy Feldman said:

The latest ploy by Thom H is just too much, isn't it enough that he
makes a fortune by plying the translators of Nikon manuals with
gallons of Sake as to make the unreadable so that he can explain it
all to us.
Now the Wendy's ploy? Anyone who is even dimly aware of the US
stock market knows that Hogan is the major share holder of Wendy's
as well as Delta Plastics (maker of the so called "knife"). How
much more can we take?
Next thing we'll find out he is behind the plan to have the TTL
sensor in digital cameras read ... well nobody is really sure.

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Chocolate is one of the four major food groups

Yes, Thom, let spend our time on more productive items, like bashing Microsoft...

Does Bill Gates needs one more Billion Dollar? Win98 is good enough, why are they forcing us to upgrade? I can't use compressed NEF on my D1h with Bibble 3.0 meanwhile w/o upgrading, or wait for Eric to come up with the fix for Win98?

My computer is slow, I want to upgrade, but don't want to have to deal with ANOTHER new OS and all its bugs and quirks! But nobody is selling a new PC with Win98. (#&%(@&!@#@(^&

Somebody get me a pie...

James

P.s. Thom, I never read your MS tirade despite, being that I am already mad enough with them.

Thom Hogan said:

Ger Bee said:

... southern hospitality. Any out of work clan members want to make
a burning cross of Hogan’s guide to Nikon’s CDs?

And get it on video and upload it in flash or quicktime and let’s
have a burning all across the world.

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I generally make it a practice of not responding directly to
attempts at humor, political statements, or using a public forum to
personally bash a person or group. But I can't let your attempt at
humor stand without response, Ger. How do you know that I'm not
black? Even though I'm not, I find your post in very poor taste.

As you may have noticed, a few folk didn't "get" the original post
and interpreted it as an attack on me rather than the humor it
attempted to be. Thus, I can guarantee you that there will be folk
that interpret yours the same way, and that means they'll also mark
you up as a racist and censor (book burner). We have enough of
those problems in the real world without accidentally introducing
it into forums that supposedly deal with digital cameras...

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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Hey Thom, do I have to eat at Wendy's or can I just go in there and ask for a plastic knife? (wink)

Dennis D

Thom Hogan said:

BullsW said:

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen
knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food
joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his
suggestion -

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Actually, the "why" is simple: most of the other fast food places
have knife (and fork and spoon) handles that taper at the end. The
Wendy's knife is somewhat unique in that it stays full width out to
the end. Note, however, that Wendy's quality control leaves a lot
to be desired. Some knives have flat ends, some have a distinct V
in them. Doesn't make much difference, though, as you have to sand
down the edge anyway, otherwise it's too thick and you can't get
the "swab" past the edge of the CCD. Just remember that if you
sand, cut, or otherwise modify the knife, run it through a few wash
cycles to remove all the grit and dust you produce!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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Dennis D

... this response was very distinctly over the top.

I don't care if your are black or anything else - even a Muslim. Flag burning is an internationally recognised protest. The Clan made it a fancy dress and Madonna used it, and the sin thing, in one of her songs.

I think you have too vivid an imagination, makes me wonder if this Southern hospitality thing is not yet history.

I can understand you being a bit miffed but I did not start this and it did not look like a joke to me in the first instance, I came up with the most outlandish response I could think of – and was a little surprised that it drew no response – I concluded myself that this was a troll post.

Cheers.

Sorry 5000 km surround my living place (island of madeira) no Wendys, tryed all fast food restaurants on my island an get fat now ;-)

Will anyone send me some WWK (WendysWonderKnife). Ill send him back a handpainted garanted dust free postcard.
Gerald Bretterbauer
Rua Francisco Santana 48
P-9125-032 Canico
Madeira
Portugal

Fighting since Juli 2001, or scince more than 15000 pictures aigainst the dust in my D1x.
My profession sculptor, working with stone, dust dust dust,---
Thanky to all the Thoms, Livnicks, Gee Bees for their ideas, .....
Gerald

Thom Hogan said:

BullsW said:

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen
knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food
joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his
suggestion -

Click to expand...

Actually, the "why" is simple: most of the other fast food places
have knife (and fork and spoon) handles that taper at the end. The
Wendy's knife is somewhat unique in that it stays full width out to
the end. Note, however, that Wendy's quality control leaves a lot
to be desired. Some knives have flat ends, some have a distinct V
in them. Doesn't make much difference, though, as you have to sand
down the edge anyway, otherwise it's too thick and you can't get
the "swab" past the edge of the CCD. Just remember that if you
sand, cut, or otherwise modify the knife, run it through a few wash
cycles to remove all the grit and dust you produce!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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Hmm,

Gonna have to check with the State Department and see if exporting the WWK (WendysWonderKnife) qualifies as exporting weapons and muntions.

Rick

Gerald Bretterbauer said:

Fighting since Juli 2001, or scince more than 15000 pictures
aigainst the dust in my D1x.
My profession sculptor, working with stone, dust dust dust,---
Thanky to all the Thoms, Livnicks, Gee Bees for their ideas, .....
Gerald

Thom Hogan said:

BullsW said:

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen
knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food
joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his
suggestion -

Click to expand...

Actually, the "why" is simple: most of the other fast food places
have knife (and fork and spoon) handles that taper at the end. The
Wendy's knife is somewhat unique in that it stays full width out to
the end. Note, however, that Wendy's quality control leaves a lot
to be desired. Some knives have flat ends, some have a distinct V
in them. Doesn't make much difference, though, as you have to sand
down the edge anyway, otherwise it's too thick and you can't get
the "swab" past the edge of the CCD. Just remember that if you
sand, cut, or otherwise modify the knife, run it through a few wash
cycles to remove all the grit and dust you produce!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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Be sure to tell them that Thom sent you

Regards,
Trent

Dennis D said:

Dennis D

Thom Hogan said:

BullsW said:

Now, i did not ask Tom WHY a Wendy's knife? and not a Dairy Queen
knife? or a Mac D? or (okay - i can't think of any other fast food
joints here) - that is irrelevant - I'm sticking by him and his
suggestion -

Click to expand...

Actually, the "why" is simple: most of the other fast food places
have knife (and fork and spoon) handles that taper at the end. The
Wendy's knife is somewhat unique in that it stays full width out to
the end. Note, however, that Wendy's quality control leaves a lot
to be desired. Some knives have flat ends, some have a distinct V
in them. Doesn't make much difference, though, as you have to sand
down the edge anyway, otherwise it's too thick and you can't get
the "swab" past the edge of the CCD. Just remember that if you
sand, cut, or otherwise modify the knife, run it through a few wash
cycles to remove all the grit and dust you produce!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com

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Dennis D

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And I suppose there are althoug restrictions for the export of very intelligent products.
Gerald

mrwally said:

Gonna have to check with the State Department and see if exporting
the WWK (WendysWonderKnife) qualifies as exporting weapons and
muntions.

Rick

Gerald Bretterbauer said:

Sorry 5000 km surround my living place (island of madeira) no
Wendys, tryed all fast food restaurants on my island an get fat now
;-)
Will anyone send me some WWK (WendysWonderKnife). Ill send him back
a handpainted garanted dust free postcard.
Gerald Bretterbauer
Rua Francisco Santana 48
P-9125-032 Canico
Madeira
Portugal

Fighting since Juli 2001, or scince more than 15000 pictures
aigainst the dust in my D1x.
My profession sculptor, working with stone, dust dust dust,---
Thanky to all the Thoms, Livnicks, Gee Bees for their ideas, .....
Gerald

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Yes, and if your IQ is high enough to ride a plane, then you are considered an "intelligent product", which means you need explicit permission from the US Government to travel outside the country! (its called a passport application)

James

Gerald Bretterbauer said:

And I suppose there are althoug restrictions for the export of very
intelligent products.
Gerald

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