Started May 22, 2008 | Discussions thread
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Re: DP2 - built in OVF


I would like to see cameras like you suggest but as well as not a replacement for the Foveon sensor. I don't think the results from the Foveon are so very much different in print as some fans like to claim but it is a great sensor in its own right and I want to see it developed further.

The evidence so far is that Sigma can't or won't build state of the art or even standard of the art bodies but they should be encouraged to do it right rather than told to give up - IMO of course

jaronberman wrote:

MrPrime wrote:

The main thing I'd change would be to take out the flash to make
space for a built-in optical viewfinder with accurate framing and if
necessary shrink the LCD but increase pixel count on the LCD. This
way the package stays pocketable even with the OVF. The built in
flash is too weak for serious use, especially given the need for
strong wide coverage with a 16mm lens, so it's removal is not much of
a loss.

Excellent point! Is this REALLY a "serious" compact with that
pathetic flash? You're absolutely right, it's taking up space better
used by many things such as more processing power or a real finder.

And while they're at it rewriting the atrocious interface, how about
adding a superimposition-type mode so you can accurately use the MF
like a rangefinder.

They should abandon foveon altogether. Everyone's making a big deal
about the sensor of the DP1...but let's be frank. ANY sensor that
size would make a picture better than all other compacts. At ISO 100
it barely competes with 3 years-old bayer sensors. At high-iso's, it
gets stomped. It's a cute concept, but bayer done well (canon,
nikon, olympus) is FAR more power, speed, and cost effective. Oh,
and Digic III chips literally write circles around whatever surplus
parts sigma stuffed into the DP1. Note that THAT fact is pathetic -
decoding bayer data is FAR FAR FAR more processor intensive than
foveon data, and yet Canon and Nikon manage to do it roughly 20 times
faster. Buy the sensor and processor from Canon or Sony or even just
the seonsor (that's what Nikon and many other mfg's do, building
their own processors). Not only would this make the DP1 quicker, it
would make it cheaper! Oh, and it would be the best performing
compact EVER in terms of low light, bad light, etc... all real world
situations that aren't iso 100 "Foveon Showcase" lighting scenarios.

Offer it in 2 flavors - 28mm equivalent, 50mm equivalent. Fuji did
this with their compact medium-format cameras. You still get all the
performance and size advantages of prime lenses, except now you open
your market to more photogs, not just landscape/flower shooters. And
you also start tempting people to buy 2, instead of 1 of yours and 1
of someone else's camera. Hang one on a short strap and one on a
long strap and it'll be like the old days with RF's.

Oh and last thing - rename the current model a DP.5 and apologize
profusely for it - it's a beta unit. The next model will have to
correct all the current flaws which should not have made it past QC.
Dust on the sensor!??!?!? Come on. Let the DP2 eventually be the
market response to a fully-developed camera.

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