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They should build the grip INTO the 5D/40D/Rebel!

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How about a compromise? The vertical grip can be smaller and separate by either making them without a battery compartment or making the battery compartment smaller.
Nathan Yan said:
So I finally picked up a 1D Mark II for the first time ever. My
progression went something like Rebel XT-> 20D-> Rebel
XT-> 20D-> 5D-> 40D-> 5D-> 1D Mark II.

I am in love with the vertical grip on the 1D. I could never quite
pinpoint it before, but now I realize that the BG-E2/E3/E4 grips are
much bigger than they need to be because they have to fit the
batteries in there. The 1D doesn't need to do that and it really is
the perfect size for a vertical grip - fits the hand better, and
stows away into the bag better (I don't have them both to compare,
but I'm fairly certain the 5D+grip is bigger than the 1D)

And I shoot vertically so much that I always buy the vertical grip
for all my cameras anyway.

Wouldn't it be great to have those vertical grips installed on all
bodies! I'm not asking for weather sealing or better build quality
or anything, just have built-in grips, make them all use the 1D
battery, and up the price $200. I'd definitely pay that premium to
just have the thing built in.
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Nathan Yan said:
Matt Cham said:
1550 grams for 1D(s) series with battery
800-850 gm for 5D or 40D with battery and no grip
500-550 gm for Rebel with battery and no grip
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True, but a lot of that 1d weight comes from the different build
quality. What I'm recommending would be more along the lines of a
5D+grip weight, except it wouldn't even weigh that much because they
wouldn't need to cram in two batteries and it could be smaller as
well.
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How about a smaller grip without batteries in the grip. That would make it light and compact. Won't add much bulk or weight to the camera. I think that people perversely associate big cameras with professional cameras. The vertical grip is unnecessarily big so that people can make their amateur camera look professional, or at least that is how the camera makers think. Hey, I can sell this grip to the buyers of consumer level DSLR cameras and they are likely to buy it because it makes their cameras look like a pro camera.
 
I have the 30D without the grip, but I much prefer the 1Dmk2N with built in grip. My 10D had the add-on grip since day one and I never had it off. Without the grip the 30D is too small and awkward to handle with a larger lens (70-200 F2.8 IS) Personally I would prefer the built in grip much more solid than an add-on...
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Cal

Put a Canon to your head, You deserve it....

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Astro Landscapes said:
What about the people who are wishing for a fully-professional camera body that is NOT "full-size"?
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Indeed; the only thing that I find to be really off-putting about the 1Ds III is its size and weight. That is, in fact, pretty much the only reason why I haven't yet taken the plunge (pending a final weekend series of test sessions with a rental unit). The money for the camera is sitting in my bank account, earning interest while I ponder the ergonomics of that big beast.

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"Passion will make you crazy, but is there any other way to live?" —Kara Saun
 
No, they shouldn't. I like the 400D and the 450d for its size. Adding a grip would make it bigger and heavier.

If Canon can make the body just slightly bigger, I'd go for a grip. It's just that grips ar made to house the 2 batts and that's what adds to the size. If the stick to one batt, maybe the size differential wouldn't be as big.

As it is now, I like to have th option to have a smaller body or to have a grip and a bigger body. A 1D series does not let me do that. What they can do, is lower the price of the grip as it is now. I think the price they sell the grip for is outrageous considering the circuitry is really simple and the just more of plastic than anything else. Or at least give a free extra battery when you get a grip.

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'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
They'd like to keep some customers. :)

I don't see much point in the grip anyway. And yes I use the 5D on a 70-200 IS. It might make more sense to make a square sensor or just put a shutter release on the bottom of a standard size 5D type camera. That would help for portrait shots. Heck, you are holding the camera by the lens anyway if you have a large lens.

Rich
 
caterpillar said:
No, they shouldn't. I like the 400D and the 450d for its size. Adding
a grip would make it bigger and heavier.

If Canon can make the body just slightly bigger, I'd go for a grip.
It's just that grips ar made to house the 2 batts and that's what
adds to the size. If the stick to one batt, maybe the size
differential wouldn't be as big.
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That's exactly my point. The current grips are extremely oversized because they need to house the batteries. Built-in grips do not need to house the battery, so they can function (and be sized to be) purely grips.
 
Anastigmat said:
How about a compromise? The vertical grip can be smaller and
separate by either making them without a battery compartment or
making the battery compartment smaller.
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That's actually exactly what I'm proposing. The vertical grip doesn't need to house batteries, it should function as purely a place you can hold the camera by when shooting vertically.
 
a better solution might be a thinner add-on grip with a single purpose battery.

As long as the BGs take 2 - 511s or 6 - AAs, which have huge advantages for most...even better than the 1-series...that's what we'll get.

I calculated this over 2 years ago...but a 5D with BG and 2 - 511s is only a couple of ounces lighter than the 1DMKIII w/battery IIRC.

I prefer the bare 5D for travel, scenics, etc. The 1DIII for sports or action.

Works for me.
--
Joe Sesto
 
I can't do 10 pushups either nor benchpress 1/3 of my weight but I sure can handle the 1D. And most of my photoshoots run for at least three hours. And BTW, the 70-200/2.8 L IS is not that heavy either.

Cheers,

José
bullet1 said:
Not everyone wants to drive a Hummer to work. Not everyone wants the
extra weight of the 1D camera either.
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Nelson Chen
http://pbase.com/nelsonc
http://NelsonChenPhotography.com/
100% RAW shooter with Capture One Pro



2007 Colorado Renaissance Festival photo gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/nelsonc/2007_colorado_renaissance_festival&page=all
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Feeling it from downtown with the 1D-Trey and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
Recent work:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/kirstie_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/treina_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/heather_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/cris4_1diii
 
Your proposal is for a non-removable grip because the separate grip is bulky. It is bulky because it houses batteries. My compromise is for a light weight, compact, removable grip that houses no battery or it has a smaller battery compartment.
Nathan Yan said:
Anastigmat said:
How about a compromise? The vertical grip can be smaller and
separate by either making them without a battery compartment or
making the battery compartment smaller.
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That's actually exactly what I'm proposing. The vertical grip
doesn't need to house batteries, it should function as purely a place
you can hold the camera by when shooting vertically.
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José,

I generally carry two bodies when I shoot events. Handing two 5Ds type bodies is not big deal as I've done that numerous times. But carrying the 1D2n and the 5D at the last few event shoots made me quick uncomfortable. Partly it is the additional weight and partly is the larger shape of the 1D which does not balance too well with the 70-200 2.8 IS attached while trying to shoot with the 5D + 24-70 plus the flash bracket. I probably can handle two 1D bodies but would rather not unless I have to have the 45 AF point engine.
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Nelson Chen
http://pbase.com/nelsonc
http://NelsonChenPhotography.com/
100% RAW shooter with Capture One Pro



2007 Colorado Renaissance Festival photo gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/nelsonc/2007_colorado_renaissance_festival&page=all
 
Hi Nelson,

Carrying 1D-series during events is indeed very heavy especially when you are taking numerous lenses.

I only bring a backup (40D) for paid shoots so most of the time I just take one camera and normally two lenses (three at the most), two speedlights (I always carry one for backup), my Sekonic and the external battery pack for the 580.

Cheers,

José
bullet1 said:
José,

I generally carry two bodies when I shoot events. Handing two 5Ds
type bodies is not big deal as I've done that numerous times. But
carrying the 1D2n and the 5D at the last few event shoots made me
quick uncomfortable. Partly it is the additional weight and partly
is the larger shape of the 1D which does not balance too well with
the 70-200 2.8 IS attached while trying to shoot with the 5D + 24-70
plus the flash bracket. I probably can handle two 1D bodies but
would rather not unless I have to have the 45 AF point engine.
--
Nelson Chen
http://pbase.com/nelsonc
http://NelsonChenPhotography.com/
100% RAW shooter with Capture One Pro



2007 Colorado Renaissance Festival photo gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/nelsonc/2007_colorado_renaissance_festival&page=all
Click to expand...
--
Feeling it from downtown with the 1D-Trey and hitting the quadrupLe-doubLe
Recent work:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/kirstie_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/treina_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/heather_1diii
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/cris4_1diii
 
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