Can Photos be encoded in Blu-ray or HD DVD using standard DVD recordable discs?

I think I have heard there is a way to create high definition DVD content (HD DVD and maybe Blu-ray) on standard DVD+R or -R discs with the limitation being that the lower capacity standard DVD discs can hold a limited amount of time, consistent with their lower capacity. But it would be true Hi Def. playable on a high-def set top player connected to a HD TV.

I have search this forum and google, but can't find any discussion of how to put digital still photos on standard recordable DVD's and encode them as either HD DVD or Blu-ray for playback in a HD DVD or Blu-ray set top player connected to a HD TV.

I have created standard DVD's with photos on them in standard non-HD DVD format. The quality of the results varied depending on the encoding ability of the software. But they were still standard-def and I would like to get hi-def without buying expensive high def blank discs.

Do any of you do this? Can you provide a link with info on what hardware and software is needed and the process to do it?

yes, there is

nero7 or 8 would help u out

Kosta

dalemccl said:

I think I have heard there is a way to create high definition DVD
content (HD DVD and maybe Blu-ray) on standard DVD+R or -R discs with
the limitation being that the lower capacity standard DVD discs can
hold a limited amount of time, consistent with their lower
capacity. But it would be true Hi Def. playable on a high-def set
top player connected to a HD TV.

I have search this forum and google, but can't find any discussion of
how to put digital still photos on standard recordable DVD's and
encode them as either HD DVD or Blu-ray for playback in a HD DVD or
Blu-ray set top player connected to a HD TV.

I have created standard DVD's with photos on them in standard non-HD
DVD format. The quality of the results varied depending on the
encoding ability of the software. But they were still standard-def
and I would like to get hi-def without buying expensive high def
blank discs.

Do any of you do this? Can you provide a link with info on what
hardware and software is needed and the process to do it?

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You will need the latest and greatest version of Nero or Roxio Easy Cd Creator and you will ALSO need a BLURAY writer $600.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131055

Not to mention the blank BLURAY media discs (blanks)...

Good Luck...

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-Alex

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Thanks, I checked the Nero website and Nero 8 Ultra Edition will burn HD DVD or Blu-ray onto cheap standard DVD recordable discs using a standard computer DVD writting drive (thus no expense for a hi-def writing drive or hi-def media).

But I didn't see how to get the photos encoded into hi-def prior to burning. The site only talked about taking content from Hi-def camcorders and burning a DVD in hi-def.

Something has to encode the photo jpgs to HD DVD or Blu-ray format in a slide show before burning them to disc. Does Nero do that? I have Nero 7 and would upgrade, but only if Nero does the encoding, and does a good job of it.

dalemccl said:

I think I have heard there is a way to create high definition DVD
content (HD DVD and maybe Blu-ray) on standard DVD+R or -R discs with
the limitation being that the lower capacity standard DVD discs can
hold a limited amount of time, consistent with their lower
capacity. But it would be true Hi Def. playable on a high-def set
top player connected to a HD TV.

I have search this forum and google, but can't find any discussion of
how to put digital still photos on standard recordable DVD's and
encode them as either HD DVD or Blu-ray for playback in a HD DVD or
Blu-ray set top player connected to a HD TV.

I have created standard DVD's with photos on them in standard non-HD
DVD format. The quality of the results varied depending on the
encoding ability of the software. But they were still standard-def
and I would like to get hi-def without buying expensive high def
blank discs.

Do any of you do this? Can you provide a link with info on what
hardware and software is needed and the process to do it?

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You can just put the photo's on a normal DVD unless you want to create a slide show which you would need software like Nero. Depending on your bitrate you can still use a DVD for Bluray, I believe

dalemccl said:

I have search this forum and google, but can't find any discussion of
how to put digital still photos on standard recordable DVD's and
encode them as either HD DVD or Blu-ray for playback in a HD DVD or
Blu-ray set top player connected to a HD TV.

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CD is CD

HD is HD

Blu-Ray is Blu-Ray

CD can be read by higher level density player, but not the other way
around. IF you want to produce an HD or Blu-Ray disk, you will need
two things:

1. A Blu-Ray disk drive that will actually CREATE Blu-Ray disks.... not
just read they (you can get a reader for about $300 CDN, but a
Blu-Ray encoding disk costs a couple hundred more, or so.)

There is a reason WHY you can put only about 4 gigs on a DVD and
50 gigs on a Blu-Ray compatible disk drive. The density of that data
is considerably more, and requires a significently different laser.

The same is true for HD. A different format. You simply cannot put
the higher density data on a lower density device.

2. A program that will actually encode in Blu-Ray or HD. My latest version
of Roxio EMC 10 has that capability, and I have noticed that most others
so as well. EMC 10 seems to have a LOT of the bugs that plagued earlier
versions well squashed.

I have NOT priced the HD drives.... I am sure they are out there. I have
a Blu-Ray player, and have not had the need to look for HD drives. I am
sure you can do so if you are so moved. )

Hope this helps some.... I think it is pretty well accurate.

Oh, most Blu-Ray burners can only burn a single layer, 50gig disk.... I
have not heard anywhere of one that will burn two layers, giving you
100 gigs on a disk. I would imagine, that IF Blu-Ray takes off and
becomes "the standard", that may change, but at this moment in
time, when NO ONE knows which will become the dominent format,
there will only be the basic burners available.

I saw all this same sh*t happen in the 70's with the audio formats
that were trying to develop surround sound. There were a number
of formats available, and eventually the consumers said, "F* k it", and
the whole effort died, so that today there really is NO standard
surround sound system. I hope this does not happen with high
density disks (beyond the 4.5 gig DVD, that we have today.

A sales-person who answered our questions when we bought our
wide-screen Sony Bravia, who seemed honest, said that the whole
thing is in flux, and most manufacturers of consumer products, will
possibly just to what Samsung (???) is doing, and cone out with
players that take BOTH systems. There were one or two available
back in December when we got our system. He had no crystal ball
to give us the info we needed. BUT, he said that they sell 3 Blu-Ray
players for every 2 HD-DVD ones.

I also noticed that Warner no longer supports BOTH systems, they
have gone totally Blu-Ray. That means only the two big guys are
supporting HD-DVD standard.

And, remember, you can always hook up an A700 to the Bravia.
(I put this last sentence in to kind of keep this on a topic that fits
with photography.....)

--
Gil
Sardis, BC
Canada

dalemccl said:

Thanks, I checked the Nero website and Nero 8 Ultra Edition will burn
HD DVD or Blu-ray onto cheap standard DVD recordable discs using a
standard computer DVD writting drive (thus no expense for a hi-def
writing drive or hi-def media).

But I didn't see how to get the photos encoded into hi-def prior to
burning. The site only talked about taking content from Hi-def
camcorders and burning a DVD in hi-def.

Something has to encode the photo jpgs to HD DVD or Blu-ray format in
a slide show before burning them to disc. Does Nero do that? I have
Nero 7 and would upgrade, but only if Nero does the encoding, and
does a good job of it.

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YES, BUT you need a proper burner. A regular burner will NOT do so
at the HIGH density to give you a 50 gig disk.... which IS the whole
point of going to the high-density format. They WILL burn the data
at the lower format.

--
Gil
Sardis, BC
Canada

Paul W Lee said:

You can just put the photo's on a normal DVD unless you want to
create a slide show which you would need software like Nero.
Depending on your bitrate you can still use a DVD for Bluray, I
believe
for your slide show.

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Of course you can put something on the regular DVD disk.... but it
will not really be in HD or Blu-Ray format.... you will really only have a
regular DVD.... and the whole point of using NERO or Roxio EMC is
null and void. You may as well stay with what you are presently
doing.

--
Gil
Sardis, BC
Canada

Yes it will be, this is termed a BD9, BD5 or AVCREC disc (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#BD9_.2F_BD5_Blu-ray_Disc ) - definitely better than a standard DVD.

Gil Knutson said:

Paul W Lee said:

You can just put the photo's on a normal DVD unless you want to
create a slide show which you would need software like Nero.
Depending on your bitrate you can still use a DVD for Bluray, I
believe
for your slide show.

Click to expand...

Of course you can put something on the regular DVD disk.... but it
will not really be in HD or Blu-Ray format.... you will really only
have a
regular DVD.... and the whole point of using NERO or Roxio EMC is
null and void. You may as well stay with what you are presently
doing.

--
Gil
Sardis, BC
Canada

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OK - some..different information in the thread . First, you can absolutely write high definition BluRay or HD-DVD media content to a standard DVD single or dual layer disk, you will just be limited in the length of the content. Just the other day I did this - took HDV video from my Canon HDV recorder, demuxed the stream, re-encoded audio to AC3, re-muxed the stream, and then generated the BluRay ISO using a tool called 'TsRemux'. Then just burnt the iso with imgburn.

So you don't need a bluray writer or nero or anything, you can do it all with free tools.

The only question is how to create the appropriate video stream. I haven't done it, but I can only assume there are tools that will take a set of JPGs and generate an HD MPEG transport stream. So you're kind of on your own there. Avisynth can probably do it, or other tools.

EDIT: Here's one: http://www.al-soft.com/smp/slideshow-movie-producer.shtml , lots of others out there.

Get the stream, then use 'tsremux' to create a BluRay compatible directory somewhere. Then write an ISO file using ImgBurn (UDF format). Then burn the ISO to DVD. Pop in bluray player - presto.

Since you are interested in stills not movies the answer is yes. All modern cameras produce better than HD quality images so the quality of the images is limited only by the quality of your player and your TV. Any Blu Ray player should give the results you are looking for it seems to me. The fact is to display in Hi Def the player has to REDUCE the resolution of your photos.
--
Tom

Pixel Peeping destroys the joy of photography

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

dalemccl said:

Something has to encode the photo jpgs to HD DVD or Blu-ray format in
a slide show before burning them to disc. Does Nero do that? I have
Nero 7 and would upgrade, but only if Nero does the encoding, and
does a good job of it.

Click to expand...

No it doesn't. Modern players will read jpg's as is off the disk. No encoding should be necessary. The player will then convert your photos to Hi Def Resolution (which is less than what your cam produces).

--
Tom

Pixel Peeping destroys the joy of photography

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

Todays modern players have built in slide show capability complete with facilities for playing mp3 music along with your show, wipes, titles and everything. My cheap Sony DVD player does all that just not in hi def. In fact at normal viewing distances the images (which are "upconverted" to hi def) look great on my hi def TV. You guys are trying to make something easy difficult. Making a video stream, IMO, would be a mistake. If I put that same disk in a Blue Ray player they would look even better.
--
Tom

Pixel Peeping destroys the joy of photography

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

As an example:
http://www.lqgraphics.com/

There are many photo to movie type applications that allow you complete freedom over slideshows. Heck, very often, cameras with HD output and face recognition can do a vastly better job at slideshows than any old HD (bluray or HDDVD) player can.

I see your point but personally I think all that is overkill unless you want it for professional applications. I prefer the viewing flexibility of being to manually go forward or backward, zoom in etc which in player slide shows allow but that's just me. It's also a heck of a lot less work. I can just pop in any disk I have and watch the show.
--
Tom

Pixel Peeping destroys the joy of photography

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

If you wish resize the photo's to 1440x1080 for HD-DVD, you dont need to do this though, because you then have the freedom to zoom and pan around the photo for its duration (i uses 8 secs for each photo and between 2-4secs for a transition in premiere pro cs3) render out to a mpg2 hd file then with something like Ulead DVD Movie Factory import the mpeg2 and burn as HD-DVD on a DVD-R, basically you will get up to 30mins of full HD video on a DVD-R.

Any more info i can help you out.

Bluray player: a player than is able to read BD, usually also DVD and CD. It is able to read MPEG-2, MPEG-4, H.264/AVC and SMPTE VC-1 movie streams with sound encoded as MP2, MP3 (MPEG Layer 2 and 3) and PCM.

Bluray disc: a disc that is able to hold ca. 25 GB of data per layer.

DVD: a disc that is able to hold ca. 4.7 GB of data per layer.

CD: a disc that is able to hold between 512 and 900 MB of data (no layers), 652 and 700 MB versions being the most common.

Let's assume you want create a 15 minute 1920x1080 slideshow and encode it to H.264 movie stream at 25 Mbps. It will take about 3 GB of space. So you'll be unable to store it on a CD, but a DVD-5 will do, no problems, you don't need a BD to store this movie. If you wanted to, you could encode it at 50 Mbps and still fit it on a standard DVD-9 disc.

Even if the software you're using doesn't allow burning AVC content to non-HD media (BD or HD DVD), it should allow "burning" to virtual media or writing an ISO file which you can burn in another app.

dalemccl said:

I think I have heard there is a way to create high definition DVD
content (HD DVD and maybe Blu-ray) on standard DVD+R or -R discs with
the limitation being that the lower capacity standard DVD discs can
hold a limited amount of time, consistent with their lower
capacity. But it would be true Hi Def. playable on a high-def set
top player connected to a HD TV.

I have search this forum and google, but can't find any discussion of
how to put digital still photos on standard recordable DVD's and
encode them as either HD DVD or Blu-ray for playback in a HD DVD or
Blu-ray set top player connected to a HD TV.

I have created standard DVD's with photos on them in standard non-HD
DVD format. The quality of the results varied depending on the
encoding ability of the software. But they were still standard-def
and I would like to get hi-def without buying expensive high def
blank discs.

Do any of you do this? Can you provide a link with info on what
hardware and software is needed and the process to do it?

Click to expand...