Don Allison
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This was never a tech post from this end. Also, Rutterfalk's setup was slipshod and hardly a professional studie. Hell, his white background even fell apart. Don
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Foven Sensor...I'm a Believer...SD 14 arrives tomorrow...
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Don Allison
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Sheeesh...I wish I hadn't started this thread. I'm just an excited little boy to pick up my new toy. Be well. Don
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Don Allison
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Ok...go ahead and post the original image here and see how much processing was done by the undersigned. My apologies for not mentioning the photo as a community download of Mr. Ryterfalk. A simple oversight at this end from a grown boy excited over his new toy. (It seems some of you have your shorts in a knot over this.) Be well, ya'll. Don
--look a bit foolish..
I wish I had a studio like that with 3 light stands, pc link, 14 foot
ceilings .... paid model and a makeup artist that looks like they
have spent over 3 hours just on her face. Shame the hair been over
sharpened to look like steel wool. Maybe its just a bad Rug??
Hang a sec thats not a professional studio though Don?
Mind you maybe Crediting the shoot to the photographer and crediting
the post processing to yourself might have been a little better and
your creditbility wouldn't be in jepordy.
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Don Allison
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Really...I found several of the files to overexposed. If you download other RAW Sigma files you will notice that they are untouched and need tweaking to bring out their best. That being said, they are all impressive to my eye and monitor.
I feel with his art he could take a
See my first point. He isn't really all that good IMHO. He's good, but the files he gives you to play with are unfinished and need repair.
--I'm not that convinced over the Foveon deisign and for sigma to admit
that they had problems with the bus control and image pipeline took a
lot of guts in the DP1. That alone would turn me off the next 2
generations of the DP1 till I was sure all the bugs are out of it.
I still feel that the tone range of the Fuji sensor design is a
better idea with different size sites. The Fuji engine I feel is more
refined as well. If nothing else a sightly better polished package.
It would be interesting putting the SD14 against the S5 pro just to
see the tone strengths of each package.
Personally if I had the money and the time for my hobby s5pro would
be mine. With a Ricoh GR mark 2 as a compact back up.
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zardozfromoz
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... I could afford to buy a bunch of lenses for it. Can't I have one with a KA mount?
Instead I think I'll go for the DP-1. I'll be able to play with the same Foveon technology as in the SD-14, and will have myself a nice little pocketable camera to keep with me when the K10D stays at home.
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Instead I think I'll go for the DP-1. I'll be able to play with the same Foveon technology as in the SD-14, and will have myself a nice little pocketable camera to keep with me when the K10D stays at home.
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Ashu
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Hey Don,
Why do you have your name under this image? "By Don Allison"!!! Correct me if I ma wrong but as far as I know this image is taken by one of the Sigmatis Carl Rytterfalk. This image in Sigma RAW file is availabel to download at http://rytterfalk.com/ .
Ashu.
Why do you have your name under this image? "By Don Allison"!!! Correct me if I ma wrong but as far as I know this image is taken by one of the Sigmatis Carl Rytterfalk. This image in Sigma RAW file is availabel to download at http://rytterfalk.com/ .
Ashu.
You all know me. I'm a Pentaxian...however, I have been exploring the
other Forums and their technology for the past couple of months. I
always kept coming back to the Sigma SD14 and its Foven sensor. Many
of the digital critical pundits (some whom I suspect are in the big
boys' pockets) have been critical of the Foven and Sigma and its 14mp
system, saying that it's only a 4.7 mp camera and is little but a
fad. They have derided everything to do with image quality and the
Foven. However, I have yet to find anyone who has used the Sigma SD14
who has not been overly impressed with the camera's image quality and
in all respects. Well, I've done my research. Here's a RAW file from
the SD14 at a 100% crop. I've done very, very little to this image. I
am literally blown away by the richness of the Foven image, its
strong, smooth, saturated colors and its incredible detail and
especially in the shadow areas. I'll let you all know how the new buy
goes and whether I'm a believer in a week or so.
Don
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I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other about the Foveon sensor but based on looking at your sample picture I have to say that it isn’t to my taste at all. Yes it looks very sharp, no doubt at all about that. It is probably sharper than any 100% crop I have ever seen but to my eye it looks very overcooked and digital and for me personally this is not a good look. I don’t know if it is just something to do with your post processing or with the technology of the camera/sensor…
Anyway, best of luck with your new cam.
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Anyway, best of luck with your new cam.
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Texinus
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k-lenses fit the sigma I believe... ka i do not now
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Jim King
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I agree that the DP1 at $799 is a bit pricey, and like you, would be a lot more likely to buy one if the price eventually comes down by $200 or so. It will be interesting to see where the street price ends up in 6 months...
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Richard Fossum
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This one is for "Don"!
You can't be serious about "you shouldn't imply.." . Your name and frame on the photo and "I've done very, very little to this image". And then you're commenting whether the shot was made with professional studio setup or not. How can we not believe it's your photo?
If you didn't make this photo I suggest you delete your user account here, and go be ashamed of yourself. Or maybe you are 15 years old, which sort of would justify this kind of stupidity
Best,
Richard.
You can't be serious about "you shouldn't imply.." . Your name and frame on the photo and "I've done very, very little to this image". And then you're commenting whether the shot was made with professional studio setup or not. How can we not believe it's your photo?
If you didn't make this photo I suggest you delete your user account here, and go be ashamed of yourself. Or maybe you are 15 years old, which sort of would justify this kind of stupidity
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Joe Barnhart
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I've looked at the Foveon technology since its introduction years ago. It is an interesting approach, but it is hampered by inability to reach high ISO because of its layered construction. Too much light is blocked by the upper layers.
Over the years, there have been many, MANY negative posts about the Foveon technology on the Sigma forum. Maybe to the point that the only folks left on the forum are the true believers. It has been a long and rocky road to get to the SD14.
Regardless, I wonder about the wisdom of posting this on the PENTAX forum. A gushing, over-the-top review of a competing camera is destined to be picked apart by the denizens of this forum. I understand the exuberance of a new toy, but why not share your excitement with your new homies in the Sigma forum?
If you are trying to persuade fellow Pentax users to abandon ship and board the S.S. Foveon, then you deserve the criticism you get -- that's called trolling and it is frowned upon!
If you are not trying to convince Pentax users to switch, then again, why post this here?
Over the years, there have been many, MANY negative posts about the Foveon technology on the Sigma forum. Maybe to the point that the only folks left on the forum are the true believers. It has been a long and rocky road to get to the SD14.
Regardless, I wonder about the wisdom of posting this on the PENTAX forum. A gushing, over-the-top review of a competing camera is destined to be picked apart by the denizens of this forum. I understand the exuberance of a new toy, but why not share your excitement with your new homies in the Sigma forum?
If you are trying to persuade fellow Pentax users to abandon ship and board the S.S. Foveon, then you deserve the criticism you get -- that's called trolling and it is frowned upon!
If you are not trying to convince Pentax users to switch, then again, why post this here?
Is it really 100% crop?
The original JPEG posted in the web site (at original size 1760x2640) is significantly bigger than your crop (comparing the area that your cropped out):
http://www.rytterfalk.com/sd14/atira/SDIM7693.jpg
Color, sharpening are also quite different. Compare the two!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2204/2263795626_8108d773af_o.jpg
The original JPEG posted in the web site (at original size 1760x2640) is significantly bigger than your crop (comparing the area that your cropped out):
http://www.rytterfalk.com/sd14/atira/SDIM7693.jpg
Color, sharpening are also quite different. Compare the two!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2204/2263795626_8108d773af_o.jpg
I compared Don's crop vs original JPEG (from link below), I found that Don's crop is approx downsized 72%, with color saturation and sharpening way higher than Carl Rytterfalk's JPEG converison.
portaa
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The OP is a total mess.
Joe Barnhart
Veteran Member
The DP1 is going to suck at high ISOs, just like the SD14. It's a Foveon trait. I dunno about you, but I need higher ISOs in my pocket camera. I was more excited by some of the recent Kodak announcements aimed at higher-quality high-ISO sensors for smaller digicams.
Alex Sarbu
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We have a sensor with an unfair advantage for pixel peeping at 100% (let's remember, we have "better" pixels i.e. non-interpolated color information but only 4.6M of them).
We have a "100%" crop which is not really a 100% crop, and a lot of post processing.
Is anyone surprised about the result? I'm not.
Alex Sarbu
Bart Hickman
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...looks like what I get with my K10d when I crank sharpness to +100 in ACR.
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Irek J
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Hey Don,
I don't know what you see in this image, given that it looks like it's been shot with low ISO and under perfect studio lights. After initially seeing your post I was a bit skeptical as to who photographed and professionally processed this. Well then, after only a few replies down it was revealed.
The photo looks fake to the extreme and very overdone. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this post? I think you cheated a bit here with no remarks toward the original image, and to fool us how great that system is...a shame.
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I don't know what you see in this image, given that it looks like it's been shot with low ISO and under perfect studio lights. After initially seeing your post I was a bit skeptical as to who photographed and professionally processed this. Well then, after only a few replies down it was revealed.
The photo looks fake to the extreme and very overdone. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this post? I think you cheated a bit here with no remarks toward the original image, and to fool us how great that system is...a shame.
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theshadowes
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When I had a quick look at the raw files, I was suprised at the way the model had her make up on, I think a quick eye clean by the Make up artist would have down wonders as it is there is a lot of fuild in her eye's that is a distraction and I'm not sure of the set up of the front soft box, as it has filled over 50 percent of her eye with light I think that its a shot where two different shots need to be done one with and one without the front light box then clean the eyes up to remove the light box filled eyes. I think it is unusal to have the front soft box set up in that manner, normally I would not do that myself. I tried to clean the eye's up myself before I got bored, but to be honest I think its a major job.
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