Free ride? I'll say

Started May 4, 2002 | Discussions thread
Larry Young Regular Member • Posts: 370
Re: Good Post

Right now I feel like I'm alone with this but Netscape is a great example. It was a good program at one time. Microsoft created there product to compete. We can argue till the cows come home whether MSFT kicked them in the butt. My point is Netscape sat on their butt and let MSFT take it away. As a user and developer Netscape today is terrible. Whatever you say about what happened before, AOL has the resources to fix Netscape. That is what they are say they are doing now. My point again is they had plenty of time to compete with IE.

I'll give you some on real networks but I believe the reason why the program had problems were the fault of both companies.

Okay here is one. MSFT has been accused of hurting mom and apple pie, in the name of Kodak. With the bad publicity they made some corrections. Of course it is interesting to note that Kodak has been in the antitrust soup more often than any other company.

I'll also give a little on the OEM contracts except check out the contracts of all the other software vendors and the best you can say is Microsoft is just trying to keep up with the garbage out there.

JoePhoto wrote:

DCsince89 wrote:

Larry Young wrote:

Microsoft has not killed any company. They lost because management
was weak ie Netscape or the product was not as good, gee netscape.

Netscape was the worse example that could be used. There was NO
QUESTION that Netscape "was" the best browser at the time. Even
internal MS e-mails confirm this when MS engineers admitted it was
better than they could immediately come up with and that the
Windows "monopoly" would have to be "leveraged" to KILL it. (The
memo specifically states "Put A Bullet Into Their Heads".)

I would say the one company they probably killed is FTP software.
Otherwise every company trys to gain market share and weaken the
competition. Do you think Canon is saying, "lets make sure we
don't take too many customers from Nikon". Don't confuse
Microsofts competitive spirit with being mean spirited. That is
one thing they did not invent. All companies are out for market

Larry, Larry, Larry...

One of the industry analsis published a list recently of all the
companies MS has put out of business and it totaled more than 50
they were directly involved in and 100 through one of their
'investments.' If I find the article I'll post a link.

One company I can think of off the top of my head is Stacker out of
Utah IIRC. They had a great product and MS wanted the code to
include in Windows. So MS struck up a deal with them and Stacker
wrote code. Right before the release of Windows (98 IIRC) MS
cancels the contract with Stacker. Windows ships and what does it
include? The code for Stacker. Of course Stacker is a little
company and doesn't have the financial resources that MS does but
they still go to court. Because they're running out of money to
fight the battle and sales have dropped MORE than 90% (according to
financial info. released to the courts), they have no choice but to
settle out of court with MS. Upside is MS pays them off so they're
not gone w/o some money. Downside is MS kills of a company by
STEALING their code and then paying them LESS in a settlement than
the contract would have required.

Another similar situation is Real Networks (Real Player). MS
actually "bought" 10% of the company to learn the technology they
had. After they got all they wanted ... then introduced Win 98/ME
with MS's own MEDIA PLAYER ... and Real Player WOULD NOT LOAD.
Luckly for Real Networks, (and the public), MS was in court on the
Netscape thing and they introduced the new information in COURT.
MS immediately apologized ... said it was a "mistake" and promissed
to "help" Real Networks get it to work. If it were not for the
ongoing court proceed's ... Real Networks would be TOAST and out of
business today.

There is no anger on my part. It's more of a case of extreme
frustration that a company can operate the way MS has and virtually
get away with it. Even to this day in all their court dealings very
little is stopping their business practices.

It is getting WORSE ... MS has recently changed their vendor/OEM
agreements and THEY ARE "SUING" MS because they claim that MS new
provisions actually give MS the "rights" to ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES

More frustrating

though is the average consumer who blindly believes whatever
someone tells them and consistently falls victim to FUD that
companies spread.

Again, this topic is not about which hardware or OS is better, it's
about the practices of MS. And the original post specific to their
moving into the world of DC.

A Great Quote...

"Imagine the disincentive to software development if after months
of work another company could come along and copy your work and
market it under its own name... without legal restraints to such
copying, companies like Apple could not afford to advance the state
of the art."
-- Bill Gates, 1983 (New York Times, 25 Sep 1983, p. F2)

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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )

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