DIVU 2

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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The link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minoltadigital/files/

newsposter said:

Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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Brice

I cannot find it. Maybe it was removed because people said it was corrupt. Any other ideas?

Thanks
simone

Brice said:

newsposter said:

Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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Brice

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I was just there and the file is still there. You have to be a member of the Yahoo group to get there. If you cannot get it, e-mail me at home ([email protected]) and I will try sending it to you. It is almost 4 meg in size though, so you need an e-mail address without size restrictions.

Chuck

Simone Ueberwasser said:

Thanks
simone

Brice said:

newsposter said:

Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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Brice

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I did some testing last night using DIVU 1.1 with and without DIVUFix and with DIVU2.0 and with ProDimage. I was not able to get the DIVU fix to work with DIVU2.0, I tried renaming the ICC files and running the program then renaming them back to what DIVU2 expects.

I didn't have a lot of time last night, but it appears that DIVU2 has the same problem as DIVU1.1 without the DIVUFix. The most true to life looking images were the ones processed with DIVU 1.1 with DIVUFix and the ones processed with ProDimage. Considering the ease of use of ProDimage, I would tend to use it first then do anyother processing in Photoshop. I will try to get some more testing done later this week and I will post if my opinion changes.

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Chuck

I found it in the meantime, many thanks

Simone

Chuck Strickland said:

Chuck

Simone Ueberwasser said:

Thanks
simone

Brice said:

newsposter said:

Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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Brice

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Did anyone run a comparison test between DIVU 2 and Photo-Brush?

Jeff

DivuFix works with Divu 2.0
MLTDim7j.icc ----> DiMAGE 7_jprof.icc
MLTDim7r.icc ----> DiMAGE 7_rprof.icc

Padi

Chuck Strickland said:

I did some testing last night using DIVU 1.1 with and without
DIVUFix and with DIVU2.0 and with ProDimage. I was not able to get
the DIVU fix to work with DIVU2.0, I tried renaming the ICC files
and running the program then renaming them back to what DIVU2
expects.

I didn't have a lot of time last night, but it appears that DIVU2
has the same problem as DIVU1.1 without the DIVUFix. The most true
to life looking images were the ones processed with DIVU 1.1 with
DIVUFix and the ones processed with ProDimage. Considering the
ease of use of ProDimage, I would tend to use it first then do
anyother processing in Photoshop. I will try to get some more
testing done later this week and I will post if my opinion changes.

Later

Chuck

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Chuck

Did you have any problems downloading DIVU2? I have tried several times and finish up with corrupted files ranging from 1.7 - 1.45mb.

Jeff

Chuck Strickland said:

I just downloaded DIVU 2 last night (it came with the D&i and
someone posted it on a forum I was looking at) and haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. I was wondering if any of you that
have done a lot more testing than I have done, have had a chance to
try out the new version and if it needs the DIVUFix program.

I only got version 1 yesterday, Thordur was kind enough to e-mail
it to me, and I spent a couple of hours testing with that. I saw a
llot of difference and I am not really sure what I found out. I am
primarily trying to get the viewed image and the printed image
close to being the same and - of course - as close to the original
as possible. I was quite pleased with the results I got yesterday
but I was thinking that I want to get some color test ppatterns and
try taking pictures of them. I hope to be able to do that today.

More later

Chuck

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The problem with DIVUfix is the new long file names with a space in them is choking the primitive DIVUfix program. Until I fix it, you can get it to work by renaming the files to 8.3 files, running the program, then naming them back. Dumb, I know, but it does work. The new profile is slightly different, so you will want to run DIVUfix on it. Bryan

Padi said:

Padi

Chuck Strickland said:

I did some testing last night using DIVU 1.1 with and without
DIVUFix and with DIVU2.0 and with ProDimage. I was not able to get
the DIVU fix to work with DIVU2.0, I tried renaming the ICC files
and running the program then renaming them back to what DIVU2
expects.

I didn't have a lot of time last night, but it appears that DIVU2
has the same problem as DIVU1.1 without the DIVUFix. The most true
to life looking images were the ones processed with DIVU 1.1 with
DIVUFix and the ones processed with ProDimage. Considering the
ease of use of ProDimage, I would tend to use it first then do
anyother processing in Photoshop. I will try to get some more
testing done later this week and I will post if my opinion changes.

Later

Chuck

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Jeff Dibley said:

Chuck
Did you have any problems downloading DIVU2? I have tried several
times and finish up with corrupted files ranging from 1.7 - 1.45mb.

Jeff

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Jeff - i just mailed you a copy, hope your mailbox doesn't choke....

Bryan Biggers said:

Padi said:

DivuFix works with Divu 2.0
MLTDim7j.icc ----> DiMAGE 7_jprof.icc
MLTDim7r.icc ----> DiMAGE 7_rprof.icc

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Hmmmmmmm. I tried that first but could not see that the new profile made any difference in the processing. I will try it again tonight and look more closely. I was in a hurry the first time and may have flubbed it. I do like the new features allowing batch rotation etc and the explorer interface.

Chuck

Bryan Biggers said:

The new profile is slightly different, so you will want
to run DIVUfix on it. Bryan

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Hi Bryan,
do you know what's the difference of the old and the new profile?
Maybe the tone curve of the new profile is better than the old one?
Could you compare and report please?

Thanks,
Tom

I'll put some time in on it this weekend and report. Bryan

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Bryan Biggers said:

The new profile is slightly different, so you will want
to run DIVUfix on it. Bryan

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Hi Bryan,
do you know what's the difference of the old and the new profile?
Maybe the tone curve of the new profile is better than the old one?
Could you compare and report please?

Thanks,
Tom

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Let me preface this with a little about myself.

The quickest way to describe my expertise would be to say that I have been a computer technician for the last 40 years with an interest in amateur photography. I only started looking into color in digital photography when the issue of the colorspace in the Dimage came up. I started trying to get a "realistic" image on the computer monitor and then trying to print the same image out on my Epson Photo 750. The more I have read in the past couple of weeks has led me to the conclusion that I had set an impossible goal and that I should be happy just to get a good image. I have "calibrated" my system as best I can using test patterns and adjustments and instructions from several sites. I do not have a spyder to do a true calibration, but I am very pleased with the results.

My test setup -

1. I installed DIVU1.1 and then installed DIVU2 in another directory.

2. I backed up the D7 ICC files for both versions and reamed the ones in the DIVU2 package so I could apply the Fix to them.

3. I applied the Fix to both versions and then renamed the files in DIVU2 back to the names expected by the program.

4. I ran tests using both versions with the original profiles and then with the Fixed profiles. I also used ProDimage to insert data into the test images.

5. I compared the converted images against the originals and against each other using PhotoShop 7 using the embedded color information.

My Observations -

1. Last night I noticed that the size and date/time stamps on the ICC files for the dimage 7 were identical in both the DIVU1.1 and DIVU2 packages. Only the names are different. This leads me to believe that they may be identical.

2. When I compared the images, of course all the "processed" images looked better than the original.

3. The ones processed with the "Fixed" color profiles looked better than the ones processed with the profiles shipped with DIVU.

4. I did notice a slight difference between the images processed with the two different versions of DIVU (both Fixed and original profiles) which leads me to beleive that they either changed the processing a little or they changed the profiles a little - OR - My eyes are just getting old and tired.

5. Overall, between the 6 different sets of pictures (originals, 4 sets processed by DIVU and 1 set mdified with ProDimage), I felt that the color in the set processed ProDimage appeared to be the most "true to life" based primarily on the skin tones and the blues and yellows.

AGAIN - I am not a professional photographer nor a color expert, these are simply my observations and I am very interested in the opinions of others much better qualified to evaluate the results of this processing of the DImage 7 pictures. I am sure that we all have the same goal, to get the best pictures we can with our new cameras.

Any and all comments welcome.

Thanks

Chuck

Chuck,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If I had known how much trouble the color space problems were going to be, I would not have purchased my D7. I wish that I could go to one place to get all the color adjustment that the D7 images require and I wish that place was Photoshop 7. That ain't so, so I will struggle on.

Ralph Wheeler

Something I find kinda funny about this whole colorspace thing is...Did Minolta think they were doing us a service by given such a huge colorspace?!?! All they have done is create the need for numerous add-on programs, endless debate, and lots and lots of hassle doing manual conversion to a true 'workable' colorspace....

Ralph Wheeler said:

Chuck,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If I had known how much
trouble the color space problems were going to be, I would not have
purchased my D7. I wish that I could go to one place to get all
the color adjustment that the D7 images require and I wish that
place was Photoshop 7. That ain't so, so I will struggle on.

Ralph Wheeler

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Ralph,

I do just that... work from within Photoshop, initially Elements and now PS7. I have been getting very true to life color reproduction in my printed images. Truer than I was previously able to get.

I installed the PIM Plug-in for Photshop and use that to import my D7 images directly into PS7. Essentially, PS doesn't retain the PIM information in the jpg's header when you import your PIM images. With the plug-in, it converts that information into the file and embeds a color space called EPSON RGB 2001. That profile supports all the PIM color advantages and enhancements.

It works great (on my EPSON 785EPX printer) and I haven't had to use DiVU since I installed the plug-in. My old workflow was to use DiVU to convert from the D7 colorspace to AdobeRGB and then print from PS.

This may not be a good option if you aren't using a PIM enabled printer. I don't know if any printer manufacturers other than EPSON have PIM yet. Although, once you import the image with the plug-in, you can convert to your working color space.

best of luck,

• tom

Ralph Wheeler said:

Chuck,

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If I had known how much
trouble the color space problems were going to be, I would not have
purchased my D7. I wish that I could go to one place to get all
the color adjustment that the D7 images require and I wish that
place was Photoshop 7. That ain't so, so I will struggle on.

Ralph Wheeler

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For what it's worth, though I'm no pro-
I've done several runs (on pics with varying degrees of contrast),
generating images from version 1.11 (w/fix & w/out fix) and from
version 2 (again w/fix & w/out fix). To my eye (on every picture
I did this to) there was no difference between the 2 versions.
That is to say, version 1.11 DIVU conversion w/the fix was comparable
to the version 2 DIVU conversion w/the fix. Same for without the
.icc fix. By the way, I'm happier with the curve that Bryan includes
in his profiles.zip rather than the one that comes with DIVUfix.
Perhaps I'll experiment with my own sometime. What is ProDimage?
-Jeff Royal

Chuck Strickland said:

I did some testing last night using DIVU 1.1 with and without
DIVUFix and with DIVU2.0 and with ProDimage. I was not able to get
the DIVU fix to work with DIVU2.0, I tried renaming the ICC files
and running the program then renaming them back to what DIVU2
expects.

I didn't have a lot of time last night, but it appears that DIVU2
has the same problem as DIVU1.1 without the DIVUFix. The most true
to life looking images were the ones processed with DIVU 1.1 with
DIVUFix and the ones processed with ProDimage. Considering the
ease of use of ProDimage, I would tend to use it first then do
anyother processing in Photoshop. I will try to get some more
testing done later this week and I will post if my opinion changes.

Later

Chuck

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