Opinions DRIVING me NUT's

Thank You Lawrence!
I can see via the plethora of positive posts about the D60 I am NOT
making a mistake. I appreciate your opinion being that you have
owned all of the camera's! Are ya independantly wealthy or
something???

I do have some lenses from my EOS 620 that I can use but what do
you feel would be a good lens to start with? I am pretty sure that
I have a 35-105 and 35-135... Don't ask why I have 2 similar lenses
it is a long story.
I do have one other but it is a 70-210(I think). I have only used
that one once or twice. I can't imagine that I would use it too
often with the D60 either.

Thanks Again!
Hi Barbara,

It's Lawrence again. I am in the Italian restaurant and cigar business in Little Italy in NYC.

I happen to sell many of my prints to my Lunch and dinner customers. I am quite proud of my work even if I'm not wealthy. I was before I bought all these cameras and lenses. By the way, I use several of Canon's L lenses as well as Sigmas EX lenses. At 1/2 the price they are terrific. Enjoy.
Hello Barbara,
Perhaps I can shed some light on the subject. I have owned the
Olumpus E-10 and 20. Both cameras were well made and created
beautiful images. Both cameras performed slowly in most respects to
the Canon D30, D60 and especially the 1D. I now own all 3 Canons.
The 1D is amazing. The D30 and D60 are also both superb cameras.
The D60 at a significant decrease in price of the the original D30
is a home run. The D60 in my opinion focuses fine in almost any
light. The D30 was almost as good. Not a huge difference.You would
be happy with either one, though I would certainly buy the D60.
It's a bargain. Sometime the lens being used can be the culprit as
well. I've only occaisonally had to use manual focus. This had to
do with the subject matter as well. The D30 and D60 focus more
accurately than the Olympus cameras by a decent margin. Enjoy and
take great photos.

--
Lawrence Amoruso
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Lawrence Amoruso
 
Now Now Barbara do not get testy here. Also keep in mind the web is not the best place to judge the quality of any photo. The reality is in the print. That was my first shot with the D60 and I have some others but I returned it and bought the 1D. I do not get the remark about the Olympus and you are claiming something I have never claimed. To make that statement would be the same as claiming to have never taken a bad shot with your Canon film camera. Its just a silly statement to make. You know I was replying in fun here but it seems that some are super sensative.

The only reason I mentioned Olympus at all is because you brought it up in your original post and there were was a statement there that was just misleading in my opinion. Now I do not want to start a war here but you brought the olympus us. If you consider the fact that My 70-200L IS lens costs as much as an E-20 with a fixed lens I am sure you can see we are in two different ball parks here. That lens alone would pay for the E-20, so it all depends on what you want in a camera.

Now maybe it was my fault all along for responding and trying to point out some things here in an attempt to help you. Like you said to start with you are a Canon Girl and have been all along so I guess I do not understand all the Drama.

Jason
 
Don't read dpreview any more or you're going to be saving up the rest of your life for lenses to feed the D60.
1st I was going to buy the Olympus E-10 or the E-20... I swayed
away from that because of all the complaints about the slow write
times and white balance being off...
So, then I decide to go with the D60, as I am a Canon Fan since my
first camera many moons ago(A-1, I know I am dating myself). I
received a call today from my dealer he informed me that my D60 was
in! I literally got the sweats! I have been saving for 2YEARS!!!
So, I run to DPReview to make sure I am not plunking down $2200
only to find out there are major flaws. The one opinion in the
review area says something about a FOCUS issue!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Is there anyone out there that can tell me
I am making the right investment with the Canon D60.

Did I mention.... I have been saving for 2 years and I don't take a
purchase like this very lightly.

Thanks for any help you can provide... I am supposed to pick it up
Friday!
 
Hi, Barbara! Pardon me jumping in here, but I will suggest a lens or two:

First, the lenses you have should work just fine, but with the smaller field of view of the D60, you will probably find yourself wishing for more on the wide end.

Canon has two lenses that you might like, the 24-85, and the 22-55. There is no question that the 24-85 is the sharper of the two, and it will give you coverage just a tad longer than your current 35-135, but quite not as wide. The 22-55 will give you an equivalent range of 35-88. It isn't as sharp as the 24-85, but it is sharper than most of the lenses that cover the xx-35 range, and so might be a good compromise.
  • Woody -
I do have some lenses from my EOS 620 that I can use but what do
you feel would be a good lens to start with? I am pretty sure that
I have a 35-105 and 35-135... Don't ask why I have 2 similar lenses
it is a long story.
I do have one other but it is a 70-210(I think). I have only used
that one once or twice. I can't imagine that I would use it too
often with the D60 either.

Thanks Again!
Hello Barbara,
Perhaps I can shed some light on the subject. I have owned the
Olumpus E-10 and 20. Both cameras were well made and created
beautiful images. Both cameras performed slowly in most respects to
the Canon D30, D60 and especially the 1D. I now own all 3 Canons.
The 1D is amazing. The D30 and D60 are also both superb cameras.
The D60 at a significant decrease in price of the the original D30
is a home run. The D60 in my opinion focuses fine in almost any
light. The D30 was almost as good. Not a huge difference.You would
be happy with either one, though I would certainly buy the D60.
It's a bargain. Sometime the lens being used can be the culprit as
well. I've only occaisonally had to use manual focus. This had to
do with the subject matter as well. The D30 and D60 focus more
accurately than the Olympus cameras by a decent margin. Enjoy and
take great photos.

--
Lawrence Amoruso
 
Thanks Woody! I am glad you jumped in.

What is a fair price for the 24-85, I am a stickler on sharpness.
Hi, Barbara! Pardon me jumping in here, but I will suggest a lens
or two:

First, the lenses you have should work just fine, but with the
smaller field of view of the D60, you will probably find yourself
wishing for more on the wide end.

Canon has two lenses that you might like, the 24-85, and the 22-55.
There is no question that the 24-85 is the sharper of the two, and
it will give you coverage just a tad longer than your current
35-135, but quite not as wide. The 22-55 will give you an
equivalent range of 35-88. It isn't as sharp as the 24-85, but it
is sharper than most of the lenses that cover the xx-35 range, and
so might be a good compromise.
  • Woody -
 
I beg to differ SB!

Everyone has been incredibly supportive and I am more confident in my decision now then I was a few days ago.

I met a lot of very helpful people. Bottom line, I will spend the money if I need the lens and if I have the money to spare... which after forking over $2200 is not gonna be too soon!

Thanks for you opinion SB Lim!
Don't read dpreview any more or you're going to be saving up the
rest of your life for lenses to feed the D60.
 
HI. I own E-10/DSC707/D30 and have a D60 for couple of weeks to test.

The focus on D30/60 seems to fail plenty of time in low.light.In dark weather (plenty here in Norway) it is many pictures out of focus. Try Sony DSC707,great,never focus problem at all. The pictures,is on a sublimatprinter the best I have seen??.E-10 is a great camera but have manual focus problem and noisy pictures,even in sunlight.
I have a pair of E10s and I have been using a D60 for a few weeks now.

The really interesting thing is that when I originally bought the
E10s everybody was saying that the focus was supposedly dreadful. I
have now bought the D60 and, guess what? The focussing is
supposedly dreadful.

I am sorry I accept neither premise. I have been making money out
of the E10s for a long time now and apart from having the manual
focus recalibrated on the first one when I had the firmware
updated, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with either E10 or the
D60.

I bought the D60 for shooting big groups of 20 plus people and
remote capture. The D60 is a big improvement over the E10 in its
ability to make the bigger groups. Faster generally including focus
BUT once again there is nothing wrong with the focussing on any of
my lenses.

Buy one or the other (I would not recommend the E20 because of the
very slow write times), the E10 or the D60. You will be very happy.
Some photographers out there are shooting sports stuff with E10s
and D60s successfully but I am certain that there are better
cameras out there (D1H and 1D) that will do the job better.

Accepting a cameras limitations is something that we all have to do
but on the E10 and the D60 focussing ain't one of them.

Regards,

Richard
I guess unles we are willing to spend 5 grand we will have to deal
with a little issue here or there! Isthat crazy or what!
Barb,

This one issue has driven people crazy. I am waiting for my D-60
to come in. Frankly, Canon screwed up on the focus issue. Many on
this forum feel Canon dumbed down the autofocus to keep sales high
for their pro 1D.

I think they underestimated this problem with the general public.

I did own a E-20 and I would still have it today if it were not for
the G-D aweful write times. I loved the E-20 but I really liked
the D-30 a lot more.

Regards,

Adams, Gutmann, Steichen, Stigletz, Weston. they lead by example.
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--
per
 
I didn't mean to get testy. I merely was pointing out that I didn't feel the 2 photos were comparing apples to apples.

If you would have shown me the exact same shot from each camera then we would have a comparison of quality.

I appreciate your input and I am jealous that you can afford the 1D.

I also never claimed to be up to your caliber. I am not in the business, I am just an advanced amateur that demands quality, and am willing to spend money that I have saved for 2 years to get the best that I can afford right now.

I feel the D60 is the best that I can buy for the budget and I can get started quickly because I have some existing equipment that I can use.

Thanks for your input.
Now Now Barbara do not get testy here. Also keep in mind the web
is not the best place to judge the quality of any photo. The
reality is in the print. That was my first shot with the D60 and I
have some others but I returned it and bought the 1D. I do not get
the remark about the Olympus and you are claiming something I have
never claimed. To make that statement would be the same as
claiming to have never taken a bad shot with your Canon film
camera. Its just a silly statement to make. You know I was
replying in fun here but it seems that some are super sensative.

The only reason I mentioned Olympus at all is because you brought
it up in your original post and there were was a statement there
that was just misleading in my opinion. Now I do not want to start
a war here but you brought the olympus us. If you consider the
fact that My 70-200L IS lens costs as much as an E-20 with a fixed
lens I am sure you can see we are in two different ball parks here.
That lens alone would pay for the E-20, so it all depends on what
you want in a camera.

Now maybe it was my fault all along for responding and trying to
point out some things here in an attempt to help you. Like you
said to start with you are a Canon Girl and have been all along so
I guess I do not understand all the Drama.

Jason
 
The 24-85 is in the low to mid $300s, depending upon dealer, and there is a $30 rebate going on.
What is a fair price for the 24-85, I am a stickler on sharpness.
Hi, Barbara! Pardon me jumping in here, but I will suggest a lens
or two:

First, the lenses you have should work just fine, but with the
smaller field of view of the D60, you will probably find yourself
wishing for more on the wide end.

Canon has two lenses that you might like, the 24-85, and the 22-55.
There is no question that the 24-85 is the sharper of the two, and
it will give you coverage just a tad longer than your current
35-135, but quite not as wide. The 22-55 will give you an
equivalent range of 35-88. It isn't as sharp as the 24-85, but it
is sharper than most of the lenses that cover the xx-35 range, and
so might be a good compromise.
  • Woody -
 
Don't forget to also make sure it's covered by your home owner's/renter's insurance.
Everyone has been incredibly supportive and I am more confident in
my decision now then I was a few days ago.

I met a lot of very helpful people. Bottom line, I will spend the
money if I need the lens and if I have the money to spare... which
after forking over $2200 is not gonna be too soon!

Thanks for you opinion SB Lim!
Don't read dpreview any more or you're going to be saving up the
rest of your life for lenses to feed the D60.
 
Barbara,

The problem is that there are 6 days left in the auction, and by the time it is finished it will probably be close to the $289 (after rebate) you would be paying B&H.
  • Woody -
Just don't ask about "L" lens prices...
  • Woody -
Thanks Woody! I am glad you jumped in.

What is a fair price for the 24-85, I am a stickler on sharpness.
 
Barbara,

Your doing the right thing...see my post in pro forum

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2634789
1st I was going to buy the Olympus E-10 or the E-20... I swayed
away from that because of all the complaints about the slow write
times and white balance being off...
So, then I decide to go with the D60, as I am a Canon Fan since my
first camera many moons ago(A-1, I know I am dating myself). I
received a call today from my dealer he informed me that my D60 was
in! I literally got the sweats! I have been saving for 2YEARS!!!
So, I run to DPReview to make sure I am not plunking down $2200
only to find out there are major flaws. The one opinion in the
review area says something about a FOCUS issue!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Is there anyone out there that can tell me
I am making the right investment with the Canon D60.

Did I mention.... I have been saving for 2 years and I don't take a
purchase like this very lightly.

Thanks for any help you can provide... I am supposed to pick it up
Friday!
--
Andy C
 
Yes, the same one. I am a bit afraid to mention it as it is not an "L" lens and you know how this group can get. Sorry, I spend am my big money on Mamiya glass....you know no one ever makes fun of sticking a $2000.00 lens on a $400.00 body....wonder why:)

Tamaron 28-105 f2.8

Frank
Ok, I finaly took my D60 with me on a wedding job. Working in a
church with very dark wood, heavy stained glass, high celings and
dark carpet. My hand-held meter gave a reading of f:1.4 @1/60 at
ISO 800..... not great lighting.

Auto focus was very quick and sharp, even on the procession out, I
had no trouble with the AF at all....very impressed indeed!

Then we went to the reception, again everything quick and sharp. I
would compare it to one of my A2's, even action shots, right up
until the lights went down for the dance. Then nothing, I mean
nothing. So I took the dance shots with manual focus.

When my job was done, I pulled out my A2, placed the lens on that
just to see what kind of focusing I would get with it. I could not
make it miss a shot. Almost as quick as my 1N.

I feel the Auto Focus in the D60 is good....not great and it could
use some improving. In normal lighting it is very quick and sharp,
even in studio lighting I have no trouble. EVERYTHING has it's
limits. It's a good camera!

Frank
Richard Goulden wrote:
 
My problem with the D-60 is the reports that it's focussing ability
is inferior to an Elan grade body. Not acceptable in a $2K body. I
am patient enough to wait a little longer. I think.

Paul
While I disagree with your decision to wait, (The D30/60 are perfectly usable cameras), I admire your good sense to NOT buy something you know has a characteristic that will bother you.

This makes much more sense than to buy it anyway, then endlessly ***** about something you knew about before your purchase.

EB
 
Thank you for your input! I picked up the camera this afternoon. I finally got a chance to charge the battery. It is charging Right now.

Funny thing is... I am afraid to handle it!!! I am afraid I will break it or something.

I am sure I will get over it!

Incredible shot by the way! And was that with a million dollar lens. I have a 28-105 that I am going to start with. I was told the 16-35L was incredible... AND so is the PRICE!!!! I think I will have to wait a bit on that one. I am still trying to get over the $2200 I forked over this afternoon.
Your doing the right thing...see my post in pro forum

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=2634789
1st I was going to buy the Olympus E-10 or the E-20... I swayed
away from that because of all the complaints about the slow write
times and white balance being off...
So, then I decide to go with the D60, as I am a Canon Fan since my
first camera many moons ago(A-1, I know I am dating myself). I
received a call today from my dealer he informed me that my D60 was
in! I literally got the sweats! I have been saving for 2YEARS!!!
So, I run to DPReview to make sure I am not plunking down $2200
only to find out there are major flaws. The one opinion in the
review area says something about a FOCUS issue!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Is there anyone out there that can tell me
I am making the right investment with the Canon D60.

Did I mention.... I have been saving for 2 years and I don't take a
purchase like this very lightly.

Thanks for any help you can provide... I am supposed to pick it up
Friday!
--
Andy C
 
I just brought the little bundle home :-)
My problem with the D-60 is the reports that it's focussing ability
is inferior to an Elan grade body. Not acceptable in a $2K body. I
am patient enough to wait a little longer. I think.

Paul
While I disagree with your decision to wait, (The D30/60 are
perfectly usable cameras), I admire your good sense to NOT buy
something you know has a characteristic that will bother you.

This makes much more sense than to buy it anyway, then endlessly
***** about something you knew about before your purchase.

EB
 
The slaeguy at the store was telling me to save up for the 16-35L. He said it was an unbelievable lens. AND SO was the PRICE!!!

I was still hyper-ventilating over the cash I forked over for the D60!
The problem is that there are 6 days left in the auction, and by
the time it is finished it will probably be close to the $289
(after rebate) you would be paying B&H.
  • Woody -
Just don't ask about "L" lens prices...
  • Woody -
Thanks Woody! I am glad you jumped in.

What is a fair price for the 24-85, I am a stickler on sharpness.
 

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