Would you have bought the Nikon CP 5000

You just might change your mind. In fact I challenge
anyone to come up with a photo as good as the Geisha photo I took
with their 707 and post it here.

Dear Ken,

Great picture.

However, before we get off on a oneupsmanship trip, remember that every camera has is pluses and minuses. If you recall the pre-digital discussions about color (Leica vs. Nikon vs. Canon vs. Zeiss vs. etc.) and traditional film, you will admit that there is always some fault to find with the others.

National Geographic makes the best case in this respect. They wanted to have consistent results -- not necessarily better -- for their lab technicians. Therefore, they selected Nikon with Kodak slide film (almost always Kodachrome). NG was not making a statement about betterness, just about consistency. In a sense, reducing the variabilities for one step of the process from subject to print.

Digital cameras provide the same opportunities, and some will prefer one to another. However, once one is set with a system and can produce the results that he or she wants, then the discussion is over. (Re: PC vs. Mac; Coke vs. Pepsi; Audi Quattro vs. BMW x, etc. etc. etc.)

Serious photographers have for years attempted to reduce the variabilities that they can control in order to focus on the moment (Besson), subject, texture (White), composition (Adams). You have done the same by selecting a fine subject and composing well. The rest is unimportant.

Nice work Per... you doused his flame but good with nice cool words.

Nice Venice picture. Due to the mixture of light & darkness the F707 picture eludes a sense of mystery. The bright sky make exposure a bit more difficult and composition more interesting.

However, I admit it is difficult for me to tell which Venice picture (F707 or CP 5000-Gondolas inside the Venetian Hotel/Casino) is better in terms of image quality.

Best Regards
John
PS. I like very much the Sony forum.

Nee (Renee D) said:

John Lai said:

Frankly, how many of you would have bought the Nikon CP 5000 if it
were available at the time you bought the F707?

Why such a question? Well when it first appeared, I had a very bad
opinion about it. Now I find it is not a too bad camera after
seeing pics like this:
http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/lv&page=all

Best Regards
John
(Have neither the CP 5000 nor the F707.... just finishing my homework)

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The S707 seem to be better for buildings and the CP5K seem to be better for taking people and macros. I personally don't care much about birds and flowers nor buildings unless there's people on the pictures... but really we are talking digital... maybe the s707 has 70% pictures as a keeper compared to maybe 50% for the CP5K (this is a wild guess and I'm being generous for both cameras)... but as I said it's digital.... don't like it? try again... You wouldn't believe the numbers of 35 mm pictures I always throw away... not many I keep! The CP5K has a bad rap coming from all directions including the other Coolpix users. This camera is a real deal at the price you can find it nowdays... It is a jem and the best secret out there.

Laurence Matson said:

To answer John's question: No

Carmen and Alex:

Hard to say where this attitude comes from.

I tried both before deciding on the 707, and the reason is the
glass. The Nikon 5000 had much going for it, but the lens does not
hold up against the Zeiss. The richer colors (cartoon colors??) are
sometimes a problem, but this can be corrected with software. In
the vast majority of my pictures, I get excellent, accurate, and
even colors. In addition, the pictures are sharp with excellent
shadow detail. This you cannot corrected with software, however,
the same as it could not be corrected in the darkroom.

To say that Sony does not build real cameras is nonsense, and you
know it. The combination of Sony with Zeiss is one of the few in
the business that makes real sense (similar to Kodak and Nikon at
the very beginning of the digicam age). Sony puts its digital
imagery skills behind a world-class lens maker's product.

Before digital chauvinism takes root, remember that all of the
digicam makers are at the beginning of a longish process. Foveon's
new push in another direction stirs up the pot anew.

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Alex Reynolds said:

NO way, The pics from my CP990 are excellent and Sony is nothing
but a third rate electronics company and their cameras are not only
lower class as far as quality, they also look cheap. I would never
buy anything from sony, much less a major investment like a digicam.

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Yeah your right Alex. Sony keeps all the bad CCD's for themself and sells the good ones to Nikon and the Carl Zeiss don't even make cameras, so what makes them think they can buid lenses?

This is the Sony talk forum if you haven't noticed.

Robert Rawlings said:

Any "real photographer" would probably tell you that it is almost
irrelevent what equipment is used to capture the image.. it is the
image and the photographer's interpretation of it.. that makes
art.

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To "real photographers" uses $50 webcams to take their photos? I think not.

In the film world, there is a certain consistency amongst all 35mm SLR cameras. In the digital world, there is a much bigger difference.

That said, the Nikon CP5000 is one of the better cameras. But it's not as good as the F707! (When the damn F707 isn't doing DLR and other weird stuff.)

Hariette said:

The S707 seem to be better for buildings and the CP5K seem to be
better for taking people and macros.

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I disagree here. A long lens is needed for good people pictures. The CP5K, with it's zoom slanted more towards wide angle, isn't as good for taking people pictures.

With the F707's longer focal length and bigger aperture, you can get more blurring of the background, considered desirable for portrait photography.

Maybe the saturated colors on the F707 don't do people best, but that's easily fixed in any photo editing software by doing a little desaturation. It's one of the easiest fixes.

Grant...don't know where your head is at, but...the original post in this thread had a link to pics taken in Las Vegas by a Nikon CP5000, and since Dee and I had recently been there and taken pics at nearly the same places with our 707's, I thought this would help people to compare the two camera. Sheeesh...lighten up! Ya know, we're really running out of patience for people who go out of their way to pick fights on this forum, so why don't you get over your lousy attitude and go take some pics and have some fun instead of being such a killjoy? Cheers! Nee

Grant Youngman said:

Nee (Renee D) said:

This nightshot scene in Las Vegas was taken by Dee Golden (I tagged
along with her and her family on a recent photo taking trip to
Vegas). To my eyes, the quality of the images from the 707 blows
the CP5000 out of the water! (but that's just my humble opinion,
he, he...)

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Since you didn't take a shot with the 707 and a shot with the cp5k
at the same time in the same place, then I'm not sure what blew
what out of where.

This whole thread is just another piece of the same tired tale of
justifying what one spent one's money on.

(mine's better than yours .. No mine is better than yours .. You
idiot mine is so much better than yours ... no your crazy, any fool
can see than mine is the best because I bought it ... you dummy,
MINE is the best .. no, mine .. mine .. mine ... give it a freaking
rest .....)

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I personally find it very difficult dealing with colors in photoshop. I personally think Kodak cameras are the best in that respect but the CP5K has also amazing color accuracy. Sony has built a good reputation with that S707 and it's good for us consumer to have competition no matter what (hey I'm a mac user! I do not like the memory stick and I am really looking into the Fuji S602 with remarquable videos (it seems like) and the choice of memory. It doesn't seem to be too bulky either.

This is a Sony forum and I'd just wanted to make my point concerning the CP5K and let potential buyers interested in the camera that it is truly a great one.

bob d said:

Hariette said:

The S707 seem to be better for buildings and the CP5K seem to be
better for taking people and macros.

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I disagree here. A long lens is needed for good people pictures.
The CP5K, with it's zoom slanted more towards wide angle, isn't as
good for taking people pictures.

With the F707's longer focal length and bigger aperture, you can
get more blurring of the background, considered desirable for
portrait photography.

Maybe the saturated colors on the F707 don't do people best, but
that's easily fixed in any photo editing software by doing a little
desaturation. It's one of the easiest fixes.

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You mean that the Venice scene & Eiffel tower are just reproductions in Las Vegas ???

Besr Regards
John

Nee (Renee D) wrote:
Here are some pics I took in Las Vegas with my 707!

with me being a long time Nikon SLR user(FE, FM, F3) it was only natural for me to look at the 5000 as the obvious step into digital.

But right after seeing Phils reviews and seeing that the 5000 had poor highlight and shadow performance i would have eBayed it as fast as seeing a fat kid jump on a smartie.

Back in Sept/Oct 2001 when i was looking for a digital cam, the Sony's ability to shoot in total darkness was the deal maker for me. In the next 2 years all the other manufacturers will soon impliment their own nightshot modes and i'll be happy to say Sony did it first.
No regrets buying the 707 at all!

John Lai said:

Frankly, how many of you would have bought the Nikon CP 5000 if it
were available at the time you bought the F707?

Why such a question? Well when it first appeared, I had a very bad
opinion about it. Now I find it is not a too bad camera after
seeing pics like this:
http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/lv&page=all

Best Regards
John
(Have neither the CP 5000 nor the F707.... just finishing my homework)

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ZipperZ said:

John Lai said:

Frankly, how many of you would have bought the Nikon CP 5000 if it
were available at the time you bought the F707?

Why such a question? Well when it first appeared, I had a very bad
opinion about it. Now I find it is not a too bad camera after
seeing pics like this:
http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/lv&page=all

Best Regards
John
(Have neither the CP 5000 nor the F707.... just finishing my homework)

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ZipperZ said:

It's not the camera that takes the photo...

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It's the photographer! I have seen great photos taken with cheap
cameras and lousy pics with expensive equipment. Take it from an
art director. Both cameras are fine for what they are!

Carmen Towles said:

If you have been keeping up with some of the magazines
coverage of the 5000 the pro's have compared the image quality of
the 5000 very close to some of the D-SLR's impressive image qualiy.
The colors on the 5000 are beautiful as well as accurate. It is a
fine camera..and although it has some problems (don't they
all).

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I am glad you are comparing the CP 5000 to D-SLRs, which Nikon just happens to be using Sony's CCD for. I wonder why Nikon is using a Sony CCD with their next D-SLR hitting the market if Sony's product is inable to capture those good quality images ...

jc
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http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

Hariette said:

I personally find it very difficult dealing with colors in
photoshop.

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I'm just talking a simple desaturation.

Hariette said:

I personally think Kodak cameras are the best in that
respect

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I looked at photos from the Kodak 4900.. not a good camera.

The Sony has very good colors, most of the complaints are about the saturation being too high, even though the majority of people like a more saturated image over a less saturated one. It's kind of a snob thing.

If you don't like the saturation, it's easy to desaturate in photo editing software.

Hariette said:

I do not like the memory stick

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I've have both memory sticks and compact flash for different cameras. The memory sticks WORK EXACTLY THE SAME as compact flash!!

Milo86176 said:

It's not the camera that takes the photo...
It's the photographer! I have seen great photos taken with cheap
cameras and lousy pics with expensive equipment. Take it from an
art director. Both cameras are fine for what they are!

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Thanks Milo
I'll keep that in mind.
...i know i can....i know i can....i know i can......i know i can.....

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And I am not saying that the Sony doesn't take good pictures. All I am really saying is that I don't like the fact that since I don't like those cartoon like colors (and there is others that will agree with me) Sony should have afforded those of us with an option. I should not have to use PhotoShoip on every darn picture.

Carmen

Jimmy Chen said:

Jimmy Chen said:

If you have been keeping up with some of the magazines
coverage of the 5000 the pro's have compared the image quality of
the 5000 very close to some of the D-SLR's impressive image qualiy.
The colors on the 5000 are beautiful as well as accurate. It is a
fine camera..and although it has some problems (don't they
all).

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I am glad you are comparing the CP 5000 to D-SLRs, which Nikon just
happens to be using Sony's CCD for. I wonder why Nikon is using a
Sony CCD with their next D-SLR hitting the market if Sony's product
is inable to capture those good quality images ...

jc
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F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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Carmen Towles said:

All I
am really saying is that I don't like the fact that since I don't
like those cartoon like colors (and there is others that will agree
with me) Sony should have afforded those of us with an option.

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And I agree with you about the inability to adjust color. It is one of the lack of options we F707 owners opted to live with because we knew very well the camera does not allow for such color adjustment. If it was one of your top live or die requirement, you would have picked the F707 to begin with. But then, likeing vivid color or not is no different then some people likes soft photos more then sharp photos, isnt it?

jc
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F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

...buy a Nikon. Oh.....I see you have. So what are you doing on this forum and in this thread. The original poster was asking Sony users if they would have bought the Nikon. You and the rest of the NTFers are only going to come across as being trolls by posting this stuff here. Go back to NTF and slag the 707 all you like - like it or not, only Sony owners have the right to bag the Sony here. How would you like it if a bunch of us jumped on your forum and started bagging the CP5000? That was a rhetorical question, no reply expected.

Carmen said:

Carmen

Jimmy Chen said:

Carmen Towles said:

If you have been keeping up with some of the magazines
coverage of the 5000 the pro's have compared the image quality of
the 5000 very close to some of the D-SLR's impressive image qualiy.
The colors on the 5000 are beautiful as well as accurate. It is a
fine camera..and although it has some problems (don't they
all).

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I am glad you are comparing the CP 5000 to D-SLRs, which Nikon just
happens to be using Sony's CCD for. I wonder why Nikon is using a
Sony CCD with their next D-SLR hitting the market if Sony's product
is inable to capture those good quality images ...

jc
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F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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Carmen said:

And I am not saying that the Sony doesn't take good pictures. All I
am really saying is that I don't like the fact that since I don't
like those cartoon like colors (and there is others that will agree
with me) Sony should have afforded those of us with an option. I
should not have to use PhotoShoip on every darn picture.

Carmen

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Hey Carmen,
FYI....

Every digital photo (from ALL cameras) that youve ever seen that made you go "wow" has been thru a PS process or simular. Your just fooling yourself if you deny these facts.

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And your reason for coming over to the Nikon forum to post those recent remarks were...why?? I forgot???

I think you should take some of your own advice!

Carmen

You Wish said:

Carmen said:

Carmen

Jimmy Chen said:

You Wish said:

If you have been keeping up with some of the magazines
coverage of the 5000 the pro's have compared the image quality of
the 5000 very close to some of the D-SLR's impressive image qualiy.
The colors on the 5000 are beautiful as well as accurate. It is a
fine camera..and although it has some problems (don't they
all).

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I am glad you are comparing the CP 5000 to D-SLRs, which Nikon just
happens to be using Sony's CCD for. I wonder why Nikon is using a
Sony CCD with their next D-SLR hitting the market if Sony's product
is inable to capture those good quality images ...

jc
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F707 w/ Nikon 5T/6T
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery

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