D300 versus 20D continued analysis

Started Dec 5, 2007 | Discussions thread
jp Senior Member • Posts: 1,151
Re: Are you looking at per-pixel-sharpness??

The 20D is an 8mp camera. It was designed to be an 8mp camera. All
the circuitry, firmware algorithims and/or whatever all the stuff is
that makes the camera tick is designed to make an 8mp camera work
correctly. The D300 is a 12mp camera and is designed and programmed
to make 12mp pictures.

I hope you realize one day you will onderstand how much nonsence you are telling here.

I'm certain that the D300 can make very nice
pictures, but it's not a magic camera. It has weaknesses, just like
any other camera.

Totally agree

Arash can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that he has no
intention of bashing the D300 just for the fun of it. I think he's
just trying to show that the camera has weaknesses/limitations. I
also believe that he's just trying to advise people to make a careful
consideration before buying the camera so that they know what they're

Way too many people buy into the hype about a new camera and rush out
to buy one before really scrutinizing what the camera will or won't
do. It's a lot smarter to realize that all cameras have
weaknesses/limitations and that you should have your eyes wide open
when looking at the images a camera will produce, and the features it
alledgedly offers.

True, I am one of them but not all that disappointed at this point in time.

Noise could be better, AF could be somewhat faster but there is always room for improvement

Nikon advertises the D300 like it's the best thing since sliced bread
and a lot of fanboys build it up like it's better than God.

Me not religeous so I second Nikon's claims

fanboys do the same thing when a new Canon camera comes out.
Actually, fanboys go crazy about a camera way before it comes out.
That is just plain stupid and unrealistic.

Some call it enthousiasm

What Arash's comparison really shows is that a crop sensor is being
pushed to or beyond it's limits at 12mp. 10 mp would probably be more
realistic and logical for that size sensor. The megapixel war is
pretty stupid.

There is no such thinh as beypond the limits of a cropped sensor.
Beyond the limits of technology maybe.
Radically new sensor designs may show up one day.

As I already explained many times before, judging noise at 100% crops is stupid and based on a lack of physics knowledge.

even a perfect sensor will be noisier when its result is observed in 100% crop. This is due to the nature of light.
The only correct way to judge noise is resize both images to the same format.

I can't help but wonder what the camera manufacturers are going to do
in a couple of years. They have already pretty much maxed out the
abilities of the current sensors,


so they're going to have to come up
with something totally new if they're going to keep increasing
megapixels and still have cameras that produce good images.

Maybe real foton counters, instead of little solar cells

Or what about molecular pixels, any idea how noisy they will look at 100 crops. No wait, we already had these, they were called film.

In the meantime we'll all have to live with whatever cameras we
choose and it's nice to know that all the DSLR's will produce great
images in the right hands. Some may do it just a little better or
faster than others. Just be realistic about your expectations from a
camera and do the best you can with what you've got.

Totally agree. but one should never forget that there is always room for improvement. If we lowe expectations, then manufacturers will become lazy.

If everybody had been forever satisfied with the performance of the D30 then we woild not have arrived where we are now.

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