If I only knew back when this picture was taken..

Hello, and Sawadee Krup
Hello -

Last year during one of my many trips into rural Thailand and Laos
I ran across two elderly ladies running a very primative rice farm.
It wasn't especially large, just big enough to sustain a small
family.
As a fellow E10 owner :-) I'm working with a Christian drug rehabilitaton center in Chiangrai, helping Akha and Lahu opium addicts.
My Thai isn't that great, especially with some of the northern
dialects, so at the time I took this picture I took my usual notes
to be translated later. I took the first image because I thought
it would make a decent environmental portrait.
I assume it was taken with an E10, even if not, the E10 is highly capable when used for environmental portraits.
Now, months later, I'm sitting here tonight translating my notes
and I finally understand her full story. From an early age, she
said right after "she became a woman" which I take to mean able to
get pregnant (11-13), she was taken as a slave and forced into
prostitution and then later as she aged (rapidly I'd assume) into
slave labour in the fields. She talked a lot about chains, but at
the time I didn't understand it to mean chains, but "bound."
Looking at the picture very closely I can now see where the
"chains" were secured to her wrist to the point of deformity.. I
can't believe I missed this at the time, usually I'm pretty good at
this stuff.
I know what you mean especially it is still socially "acceptable" for parents to let their young daughter go into prostitution to help support the family.
Now she and her "sister" (no relation, just another survivor) farm
a small 2 rais of land and sell enough rice (cow) for a simple
life.
On the other hand, you photos narrative have shown them as people who may be poor, and gone thru much hardship, but have dignity in their life. This is comforting. Regarding your comments later on self-serving charities, I empathise with your convictions. There's often crooked things or people mingling with the honest and decent, isn't it. If only the world is perfect!

If I would have known at the time of her earlier plight I
would have left her significantly more baht than I did for a
standard interview..

Sometimes things happen that make you realise how very lucky we are
to live in places where we can sit her on out computers and talk
about purchasing expensive cameras whicih would probably cost more
than a small farm in many places in the world..
Indeed! So we try to use the expensive tools for something good. Taking photos like that, eg
Sometimes I'm not sure whether to feel lucky or guilty for being
born in America.. I know that sometimes my work is used to illicit
contributions, especially when my assignments are very clear,
provide images of the worst there is. I used to resent that, but
not tonight..
Sometimes it comes to a stage, where material comforts and riches doesn't matter that much. Matters of the soul is so much more precious.

Take care!
--warm regardscj yap http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=178589
 
Hello -

Last year during one of my many trips into rural Thailand and Laos
I ran across two elderly ladies running a very primative rice farm.
It wasn't especially large, just big enough to sustain a small
family.
As a fellow E10 owner :-) I'm working with a Christian drug
rehabilitaton center in Chiangrai, helping Akha and Lahu opium
addicts.
My Thai isn't that great, especially with some of the northern
dialects, so at the time I took this picture I took my usual notes
to be translated later. I took the first image because I thought
it would make a decent environmental portrait.
I assume it was taken with an E10, even if not, the E10 is highly
capable when used for environmental portraits.
Now, months later, I'm sitting here tonight translating my notes
and I finally understand her full story. From an early age, she
said right after "she became a woman" which I take to mean able to
get pregnant (11-13), she was taken as a slave and forced into
prostitution and then later as she aged (rapidly I'd assume) into
slave labour in the fields. She talked a lot about chains, but at
the time I didn't understand it to mean chains, but "bound."
Looking at the picture very closely I can now see where the
"chains" were secured to her wrist to the point of deformity.. I
can't believe I missed this at the time, usually I'm pretty good at
this stuff.
I know what you mean especially it is still socially "acceptable"
for parents to let their young daughter go into prostitution to
help support the family.
Now she and her "sister" (no relation, just another survivor) farm
a small 2 rais of land and sell enough rice (cow) for a simple
life.
On the other hand, you photos narrative have shown them as people
who may be poor, and gone thru much hardship, but have dignity in
their life. This is comforting. Regarding your comments later on
self-serving charities, I empathise with your convictions. There's
often crooked things or people mingling with the honest and decent,
isn't it. If only the world is perfect!

If I would have known at the time of her earlier plight I
would have left her significantly more baht than I did for a
standard interview..

Sometimes things happen that make you realise how very lucky we are
to live in places where we can sit her on out computers and talk
about purchasing expensive cameras whicih would probably cost more
than a small farm in many places in the world..
Indeed! So we try to use the expensive tools for something good.
Taking photos like that, eg
Sometimes I'm not sure whether to feel lucky or guilty for being
born in America.. I know that sometimes my work is used to illicit
contributions, especially when my assignments are very clear,
provide images of the worst there is. I used to resent that, but
not tonight..
Sometimes it comes to a stage, where material comforts and riches
doesn't matter that much. Matters of the soul is so much more
precious.
I'm not a Christian but I totally agree with you CJ, I hope someday I can join you to serve those being forgotten in this materialized world.
--Donald
 
CJ -

It's nice to hear from someone back in Thailand.

It's a good thing helping the addicts, but I'm sure a very difficult job. I've been in Chiang Mai many times and once went to a pharmacy for something and was offered everything from prescription narcotics to raw opium. Not like back in BKK for sure. I think the northern provinces are mainly "forgotten" by the Thai government unless it's of interest to tourists. But all the road block inspection stations coming back down south shows what a problem there is.. As a falang in a fairly new vehicle I was never searched, but they seemed to take great joy in searching other Thai's..

Yes, both photo's were taken with the E-10. I also took film. It certainly is up to the job.

About the selling of daughters in prostitution... Anyone staying in Thailand longer than a few hours is hit hard with this problem, from the taxi and tuk tuk drivers trying to take you to "have fun" to the sight of falangs arm in arm with girls 20-40 years their junior along Sukhumvit or Silom. Some of my major assignments have been directly related to the prostitution scenes and subsequently has become a subject very important to me. You spend enough time talking to the BG's and getting them to trust you, and you start hearing of the real stories.. And these are just the girls working in the falang scene, the thai brothels in most cases are pure slavery.. It's enough to make you really sick and depressed if you let it get to you too much..

Your also right, material things come and go from our lives all the time, but we have only one soul, so its best to take care of it well.

Thanks for looking at my pics..

BKKSW
Hello -

Last year during one of my many trips into rural Thailand and Laos
I ran across two elderly ladies running a very primative rice farm.
It wasn't especially large, just big enough to sustain a small
family.
As a fellow E10 owner :-) I'm working with a Christian drug
rehabilitaton center in Chiangrai, helping Akha and Lahu opium
addicts.
My Thai isn't that great, especially with some of the northern
dialects, so at the time I took this picture I took my usual notes
to be translated later. I took the first image because I thought
it would make a decent environmental portrait.
I assume it was taken with an E10, even if not, the E10 is highly
capable when used for environmental portraits.
Now, months later, I'm sitting here tonight translating my notes
and I finally understand her full story. From an early age, she
said right after "she became a woman" which I take to mean able to
get pregnant (11-13), she was taken as a slave and forced into
prostitution and then later as she aged (rapidly I'd assume) into
slave labour in the fields. She talked a lot about chains, but at
the time I didn't understand it to mean chains, but "bound."
Looking at the picture very closely I can now see where the
"chains" were secured to her wrist to the point of deformity.. I
can't believe I missed this at the time, usually I'm pretty good at
this stuff.
I know what you mean especially it is still socially "acceptable"
for parents to let their young daughter go into prostitution to
help support the family.
Now she and her "sister" (no relation, just another survivor) farm
a small 2 rais of land and sell enough rice (cow) for a simple
life.
On the other hand, you photos narrative have shown them as people
who may be poor, and gone thru much hardship, but have dignity in
their life. This is comforting. Regarding your comments later on
self-serving charities, I empathise with your convictions. There's
often crooked things or people mingling with the honest and decent,
isn't it. If only the world is perfect!

If I would have known at the time of her earlier plight I
would have left her significantly more baht than I did for a
standard interview..

Sometimes things happen that make you realise how very lucky we are
to live in places where we can sit her on out computers and talk
about purchasing expensive cameras whicih would probably cost more
than a small farm in many places in the world..
Indeed! So we try to use the expensive tools for something good.
Taking photos like that, eg
Sometimes I'm not sure whether to feel lucky or guilty for being
born in America.. I know that sometimes my work is used to illicit
contributions, especially when my assignments are very clear,
provide images of the worst there is. I used to resent that, but
not tonight..
Sometimes it comes to a stage, where material comforts and riches
doesn't matter that much. Matters of the soul is so much more
precious.

Take care!
--
warm regards
cj yap
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=178589
 
Well said Leon

Ireland was one of the countries that was impoverished beyond belief.
Things happened here that were horrific by today's standards.
Religion and politics are a dangerous and volatile mix.

Anyway, all that is now part of history, lessons have been learnt, and I personally do not bear any animosity against anyone. If we could get the people in Northern Ireland to move on, and stop living in the past, life would be better for all concerned.

BKKSW's photo I hope is a shock to our senses and hopefully puts things in their true perspective.
Truly shows the power an image can convey.

Gerard
I think we need to be aware of the plight of fellow human beings.
The world needs to get its act together and stop the exploitation
of others. We in the West have been through this many years ago -
The Queen in England is a reminder of the dictatorships that were
here in the UK not that long ago. We struggled over many centuries
and found a way around most of it - still vestiges left here. We
need to help others along this road.

I agree photography with words helps this process.
--
LCD
--Any day you wake up, and find yourself alive,is a good day!:-)
 
BKKSW,

Very nice pictures. Yes. I have gone to some of the poor areas of the Philippines. It's amazing how clean their clothes are. How much self-esteem there is in their lives. To have a purpose makes a big difference.

I have a couple stories - one is when we were in the Philippines I gave a tip of $5 for a cab. When I got out my wife got very mad at me. She said what are you doing to the people that still live here? If they get in a cab they will be scorned if they give their usual $0.50 tip.

Another story is about someone trying to become a Budhist in India. Apparently there is a block where beggars, and those w/ leprosy etc. sit. As he was working his way down the block feeling sorry for all of the people and giving them rice, change, etc. He suddenly understood the look in their eyes. They felt sorry for him! All his baggage and judgements, trials, etc they had left behind long ago.

Maybe the stories aren't pertinent, but I though of them as I read your story. Now I have a new one to think about, and I have shared mine with you.

Thanks for the post. Very worthwhile thread.

Brent
 
Brent -

I'm very familiar with the Phillipines.. After all I'm retired Navy, and until the eruption one of our favourite ports. Many of my friends have chosen to retire in the PI and love it.

Thanks for sharing your stories. Each one adds something to our life. I'm glad you liked the photos..

BKKSW
BKKSW,

Very nice pictures. Yes. I have gone to some of the poor areas of
the Philippines. It's amazing how clean their clothes are. How
much self-esteem there is in their lives. To have a purpose makes
a big difference.

I have a couple stories - one is when we were in the Philippines I
gave a tip of $5 for a cab. When I got out my wife got very mad at
me. She said what are you doing to the people that still live here?
If they get in a cab they will be scorned if they give their usual
$0.50 tip.

Another story is about someone trying to become a Budhist in India.
Apparently there is a block where beggars, and those w/ leprosy
etc. sit. As he was working his way down the block feeling sorry
for all of the people and giving them rice, change, etc. He
suddenly understood the look in their eyes. They felt sorry for
him! All his baggage and judgements, trials, etc they had left
behind long ago.

Maybe the stories aren't pertinent, but I though of them as I read
your story. Now I have a new one to think about, and I have shared
mine with you.

Thanks for the post. Very worthwhile thread.

Brent
 

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