Alpha 700 quality - the example you wanted!

David Kilpatrick · Sep 11, 2007

With help from Paul Olsen, Norway, I've had access to a suitable file and permission to use it for an article which really shows the quality of A700 even in pre-production form and with JPEG in-camera shots:

http://photoclubalpha.com/2007/09/11/alpha-700-jpeg-quality-revealed/

This is what you have been looking for. It even shows that the 16-105mm is going to be a brilliant bit of glass for general shooting.

David

Legacys_Quest7 · Sep 11, 2007

Saw that one already on another website.

David Kilpatrick said:
With help from Paul Olsen, Norway, I've had access to a suitable file
and permission to use it for an article which really shows the
quality of A700 even in pre-production form and with JPEG in-camera
shots:

http://photoclubalpha.com/2007/09/11/alpha-700-jpeg-quality-revealed/

This is what you have been looking for. It even shows that the
16-105mm is going to be a brilliant bit of glass for general shooting.

David

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David Kilpatrick · Sep 11, 2007

Legacys_Quest7 said:
Saw that one already on another website.

You didn't see any of the post-production work on it, or the levels of CA correction required, etc.

David

Sol · Sep 11, 2007

David Kilpatrick said:
With help from Paul Olsen, Norway, I've had access to a suitable file
and permission to use it for an article which really shows the
quality of A700 even in pre-production form and with JPEG in-camera
shots:

http://photoclubalpha.com/2007/09/11/alpha-700-jpeg-quality-revealed/

This is what you have been looking for. It even shows that the
16-105mm is going to be a brilliant bit of glass for general shooting.

David

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Legacys_Quest7 · Sep 11, 2007

Never said that. I said that I just saw this yesterday on another site. Someone on here yesterday made a thread linking different websites that have A700 pictures. This was the most recent and best of the images.

David Kilpatrick said:
Legacys_Quest7 said:

Saw that one already on another website.

Click to expand...

You didn't see any of the post-production work on it, or the levels
of CA correction required, etc.

David

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Legacys_Quest7 · Sep 11, 2007

My mistake. I misunderstood your point. I agree. Nothing is modified.

David Kilpatrick said:
Legacys_Quest7 said:

Saw that one already on another website.

Click to expand...

You didn't see any of the post-production work on it, or the levels
of CA correction required, etc.

David

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RichV · Sep 11, 2007

That's great to see, David; thanks for doing the hard work to put it together. (You're on my list of "final approval resources" once production models are available.)

Rich

Laco Dekany · Sep 11, 2007

Can somebody shot the A700 with prime G glass, not with zooms?
Laco

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Gary Eickmeier · Sep 11, 2007

I suppose we'll find out in Phil's review, but we still need to know that Sony is not doing any noise reduction or antialiasing that would mess up the extinction detail that we have come to love so much with the a100 for low ISO images. Do you know yet David?

Gary Eickmeier

csheldon · Sep 11, 2007

I'm supprised you're being so forgiving of the CA....I really feel like there is too much CA there, it shouldn't need as much PP as you've done...which definately did reduce the CA quite a bit, though didn't eliminate it completely.

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Comp625 · Sep 11, 2007

csheldon said:
I'm supprised you're being so forgiving of the CA....I really feel
like there is too much CA there, it shouldn't need as much PP as
you've done...which definately did reduce the CA quite a bit, though
didn't eliminate it completely.

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What I am actually surprised about is the heavy amount of CA and vignetting with the CZ 16-80/3.5-4.5. I do not own this piece of expensive glass, but I am shocked at the raves that people throw toward it, if it is this flawed compared to the less expensive kit lens.

If the 16-105 is really that good (and it does seem that way), does this spell doom on future CZ glass?

You pay less for the "kit" 16-105
The 16-105 seems optically equal to the CZ
The 16-105 gives you better reach than the 16-80 CZ
They're both APS-C
You have less CA with the 16-105 than you do with the 16-80
You have less vignetting with the 16-105 than you do with the 16-80

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csheldon said:
http://www.james-nguyen.com

tweedle · Sep 11, 2007

Legacys_Quest7 said:
I said that I just saw this yesterday on another site. Someone on here
yesterday made a thread linking different websites that have A700
pictures.

And so what? Your mom never taught you proper manners?

Thanks, David, for sharing this very early impression from working with files from the new camera and new upgrade kit-lens

Productions samples might be even better (hopefully) than the pre-production camera used here.

tweedle · Sep 11, 2007

Legacys_Quest7 said:
My mistake. I misunderstood your point. I agree. Nothing is modified.

Ok, then, better late than never.

Nordstjernen · Sep 11, 2007

Very promising -- looks that we do not have to live with the 'plastic' look and feel. I will sleep well tonight, since I already have preordered some D700 cameras.

Richard B. · Sep 11, 2007

I do own the CZ 16-80 and have used it extensively in a wide variety of conditions. While there is some vignetting at f5.6 and over, and below 18mm, CA is extremely rare and nothing like the sample posted. Control of flare is excellent and I can count on the lens to get the best out of most difficult lighting situations. It's extremely sharp center and edge throughout its range. Please feel free to browse by CZ 16-80 gallery. http://www.pbase.com/richard_b/cz1680 .

Comp625 said:
What I am actually surprised about is the heavy amount of CA and
vignetting with the CZ 16-80/3.5-4.5. I do not own this piece of
expensive glass, but I am shocked at the raves that people throw
toward it, if it is this flawed compared to the less expensive kit
lens.

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ck3 · Sep 11, 2007

Thanks for the heads-up David. Together with the raw conversions from Alexander Rabtchevich, that image is really reassuring.

BTW, I played around with sharpening a little bit and noticed that when you push up the radius slider all the way, you get that watercolor effect that was visible in so many earlier shots. Do you think it's possible that it's not so much a case of excessive NR we were seeing in those samples but maybe excessive sharpening?

Carsten

ReflectOn · Sep 11, 2007

Thank you

It was your review/image samples of the A100 that made me buy it, looks like the same will go for the A700.

Ian.

David Kilpatrick · Sep 11, 2007

ck3 said:
Thanks for the heads-up David. Together with the raw conversions from
Alexander Rabtchevich, that image is really reassuring.

BTW, I played around with sharpening a little bit and noticed that
when you push up the radius slider all the way, you get that
watercolor effect that was visible in so many earlier shots. Do you
think it's possible that it's not so much a case of excessive NR we
were seeing in those samples but maybe excessive sharpening?

That effect is common enough, but I don't think the camera uses that type of USM sharpening. I thinkt the watercolour effect is due to NR and heavy JPEG compression, combined with some of the effects of sharpening - producing the odd sharp boundaries - and maybe even some heat haze in the Polish examples.

David

cndavies · Sep 11, 2007

Thank you, David.

Your posts appear to be about the only positive threads and posts on the whole of this Forum. Keep it up....

and Wow....believe all ye unbelievers....
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MinoltaMan78 · Sep 11, 2007

This should encourage us to be patient for the test reports of people that would know how to use the camera!

In the meantime, lets take some pictures!

Fred
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