Who's considering switching to Nikon?

Nikon also has taken the high ISO out from under the feet of Canon - at least now will see how ISO at 1600 and above comes through on the D3.

Mark

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Dave Harpe said:

For me the 1DMkIII works great in the PJ/sports role...and the D3
doesn't trump it enough to make it worth a switch. Although I would
LOVE to have that LCD...

The D3 - although full frame - is nowhere near a replacement for the
17MP 1DsMk2 I have, or the 20MP 1DsMk3 I have on order.

It's good competition, but not "ground breaking" enough to cause me
to switch.

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Dave D3 is their PJ/Sport camera, their real 1Ds III threat comes
next when they deliver 20MP+ (rumoured to be 24MP) camera in D3 body.

Obviously we don't know how well the D3 will actually perform, but if
that AF system works like it sounds combined with 14 bit capture in a
12MP FF and amazing LCD it's a big advantage IMO. Even D300 will give
1D III a run for it's money.

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I liked the canon sensors, but have been HATING the camera part actively (350 d/20d).
It will be Nikon again for me!

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These are just my feelings and experiences from running both systems for work AND play, I'm neither right or wrong, it's just my experience with both systems, I'm not brand loyal and like both Nikon and Canon (and the old Oly E1 .

I run both and have done for years because of the GLASS (and compatibility with studios I've done work for) - Nikon DO NOT make a PRO 70-200 F4 VR, 24-105 F4 VR (their 24-120VR is Poor and makes a 28-135IS look Great) or a low cost Professional 17-40 or even 18-35mm F4 lens - their stuff is either old and full frame and unsealed (mainly with a Body motor needed) or DX format.. Nikon's lineup of recent lenses isn't aimed towards full frame, their best two lenses for the D3 are the Unsealed 17-35 F2.8 (Which IMO was always a better lens than the 17-55DX for general shooting or any Canon wide), the 28-70 F2.8 (much like the Canon variant with strengths in different areas) and probably the new 24-70 which hasn't got VR ..

Their Real strong points are superzooms and budget Z lenses which really perform like the 18-70 F3.5-4.5DX, 18-135DX and 18-200VR which are DX not FF - the only really strong FF budget superzoom (EVER regardless of maker) is the Nikon 28-200 (Either version) and budget lenses which are way better than canon's versions such as the 28-105 F3.5-4.5 which makes Canon's USM one look a joke optically, same for the various 28-80s etc - IMO the only budget Canon FF Z which beats Nikon's version is the 28-135IS which Hoses over the 24-120VR .. the little plastic primes are much the same as Canon's in build and performance.

As for the bodies - Canon's 1 series are fully sealed - so far no Nikon is, even the D2X has far less seals than a 6yr old 1D (the battery for one!!), same for lenses, only a very few DX lenses are sealed and the only FF ones I know of are the 70-200VR and 200-400 F4 VR - also the 5D will remain as the only compact, consumer, FF body as the D300 is DX .. the D2H was a Joke on launch (barely an answer to the 1D MK1 in image and noise) and the HS even more so ..

Nikon IMO win back with Price, ergonomics (personal thing but I always prefer N ergos), AF stability (Hmm, touchy point that but Canon and AF aren't good bedfellows), the amazing pixel level sharpness of their 6Mp bodies and especially the Noisy D2X in RAW (which I still feels outresolves the 5D in real life) Build in the Midrange cams, handling and build in the consumer cams (compare a D50 to a 400D sometime - I know I have BOTH) and they Admit to their faults and FIX THEM (or at least try hard to minimize them)

My bottom line opinion is that I wish C&N had compatible lenses AND if they Did, the 1DS3 would be KING Rezzer, this really IS a "WOW" cam - the D3 is the lower end everyday sports / PJ / Event Bread and butter Cam (Negating the 1D3 ?? Dunno but if the noise levels are similar, I'd probably choose the Nikon for FF + HSC), the 40D may as well not exist, the D300 takes it for "Pro-Sumer" Cropper and the 5D the "Pro-Sumer" FF'er .. But they DO take Different lenses unfortunately the 24-105 IS is perfect for the D3 - the 70-200 F4L IS perfect for the D300 - the N 17-35 F2.8 is perfect for the 1DS3 as are the likes of the 70-300VR (better overall than the canon), the 200-400VR, 105 Macro VR etc .. Ahh well

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No the darn thing wont fit on my 1 series bodies... The last MTF chart I looked at I still liked the Canon, and since 'VR' is a rip off of 'IS', and I've had my glass since before Nikon had VR, I'm a little bit biased.

Still wouldn't drop Canon for unproven Nikon hardware. Just as Nikonian's should've dumped their gear for the unproven Mk III... But it is nice to have some real competition back, it's been a bit quiet at the top recently.

Regards

Izzo

With the ridiculous chance that iso 6400 and 25600 are simply stunning, then I might think about it, but only if its really, really amazing.

The 1ds MKIII is what I've got my eyes on. I also like the Canon glass better. But thats just me.

louis_ said:

I am. But probably won't practically. Too heavily invested on L glasses.

Sure we haven't seen the IQ yet. But the spec is surely tempting.
And oh, $5,000 for a full frame D3 (or just $500 more than 1D3).

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at DX 11fps the D3 doesnt auto focus I'm a Nikonian but I see no point of switching for you guys.
well, except...

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I don't understand that people just can think about switching after a couple of hours after an announcement from Nikon.

I think both brands offer now wide range of equipment to cover near all areas of photography and we should be happy about it!



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While I still use both systems, I am mostly using Canon now. I fully expect them to go back and forth but I am done jumping.

louis_ said:

I am. But probably won't practically. Too heavily invested on L glasses.

Sure we haven't seen the IQ yet. But the spec is surely tempting.
And oh, $5,000 for a full frame D3 (or just $500 more than 1D3).

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I've had the D80 and the D200 to play with for the past few months. Really like the feel, the heft and the response, preferred it to my Canon. The glass is top notch too.

I think this is the excuse I needed to dump my old 300D and couple of lenses. Oh well, I'll probably say the same thing after a year. But it's getting more tempting.

There is nothing lacking in either Canon's or Nikon's products that is limiting my photography, both brands have cameras and lenses that are way better than my skills in using them. Changing camera brands will do nothing for my photography, on the contrary replacing bodies and even more so lenses will just empty my bank account and make me lose lots of time learning about and getting comfortable using a new system. Time and money that could and should be spent on improving photography skills, post processing skills and for finding photo opportunities instead of constantly chasing a non-existent holy grail of camera gear. The upgrading we do within a brand is bad enough - I admit I've done too much of that too - but jumping between brands is just silly. At some point you have to accept that the camera gear, regardless of brand, is "good enough" and that it's no longer a valid excuse for not making good photos.

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Except maybe yuppies with too much cash and too few brain cells. Photographers don't do this. Photographers care about images. Emptying bank accounts to swap lenses so as to claim the latest gadget body means nothing.

For a few years Canon was really ahead in digital body selection. There were actually gaps in the Nikon line. Still people didn't leave Nikon in droves. There are no gaps in Canon's line. Why would any sane person sell / re-buy lenses and switch? Will they switch back when the 1D mkIV and 5D mkII come out? And then back again when the D4 and D400 hit the streets?

The only people I ever saw switch, switched for Canon's fast, stabilized, tele glass. Today Nikon (finally) catches up in this area.

It's good to see Nikon so aggressive, it will force improvements across the board.

In any given year one brand of anything will have it's highs and lows as will its direct competitors. IMO anyone "jumping" from brand to brand for slight technical advantages is not into photography but is just a gear collector.

My first Canon was an FTBn in about 1970...never owned a Nikon SLR...never had to send a Canon in for repair. (1DIII might be the exception...fingers crossed.)

Been with AT&T Wireless since the late '80s...never tried Verizon...haven't had any real problems...except one clerk that couldn't push the right button.

Had Dells since about 1992...never tried Apple...15 computers...only 1 service call.

I could go on with Cuisinart, Cutco, Nissan, Viewsonic, Pioneer, HP printers, etc., etc.

1. 1 ebbs and flows...overall quality still counts...that is all I care about. I think this will shake up Canon and that ain't a bad idea, either.

Wonder if this is why it appears Canon may have rushed the 1DIII to market??

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I know it could get confusing but I'm actually considering running parallel systems, as long as the D3 really does have incredible low noise/high iso performance. And there is no sign of Canon bringing out a 200mm f1.8 replacement. The Nikon might have a place for some types of job I do.

brian44 said:

I know it could get confusing but I'm actually considering running
parallel systems, as long as the D3 really does have incredible low
noise/high iso performance. And there is no sign of Canon bringing
out a 200mm f1.8 replacement. The Nikon might have a place for some
types of job I do.

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Please give some examples of jobs that Canon's gear can't do but the new Nikons can - not trying to be confrontational, just interested to hear about real use cases

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thang said:

It's as good, if not better, than the Canon's equivalent. I have used
both!

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I have both and a FF Nikon mount and FF Canon mount. My Nikon is soft on one side, but mostly there isn't much between them. Nikon might be better in the centre, the Canon better across the frame, take your choice.

Kevin.

FretNoMore said:

brian44 said:

I know it could get confusing but I'm actually considering running
parallel systems, as long as the D3 really does have incredible low
noise/high iso performance. And there is no sign of Canon bringing
out a 200mm f1.8 replacement. The Nikon might have a place for some
types of job I do.

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Please give some examples of jobs that Canon's gear can't do but the
new Nikons can - not trying to be confrontational, just interested to
hear about real use cases

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I thought I gave a clue in my post. Shooting at ISO 25600 with a 200mm f2 would be very useful to me. In other words, very low available light.

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