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I have a new Gateway Laptop withVista Premium Edition

I need some help with my Vista Thumbnail Viewers. It is a strange combination and has differnt problems depending whether I am viewing photo thumbnails on "Documents" (this is like "Windows Explorer" or "File Manager") or "Windows Photo Gallery".

I have a Sony A100 DSLR and a Nikon Point & Shoot CP5700.

Stange Things: First, I got prompt and Dowloaded Sony software that allows me view thumbnails of all Sony RAW in both applications.

Next, I can view JPEG thumbnails in the "Windows Photo Gallery" but not in "Docucments". Instead of getting a true tumbnail, Vista will give a "postage stamp" generic thumbnail image.

Then for TIFF, I cannot view a thumbnail image in either "Photo Gallery" or "Documents" nor will the simple photo viewer show the image. Instead I have to go to "Mircrosoft Digital Imge Starter Edition Edition 2006 Editor" to even see the image.

This is a serious screw up. I think it must have to do with the various drivers and associations. Never the less, TIFF & JPEG should NOT be a problem.

Can anyone help?
 
How Vista shows a folder is based on a template.
right click on the folder and choose Customize This Folder.

If you want to have thumbnails change the template from documents to Pictures and videos.

Not sure what is with the Tiffs. Even in Document mode the generic should change to tiny thumbnail.

Not sure why that is not working.
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I couldn't accomplish this. Thanks for trying.
Ken_5D said:
How Vista shows a folder is based on a template.
right click on the folder and choose Customize This Folder.
If you want to have thumbnails change the template from documents
to Pictures and videos.

Not sure what is with the Tiffs. Even in Document mode the generic
should change to tiny thumbnail.

Not sure why that is not working.
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail. Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing. Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all. You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
 
no thumbnail option on my version of Vista......Geek Squad at Best Buy couldn't rig it either.....I've written the blackhole at Gateway & Microsoft.

it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
 
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Ken, I got it new The first day that the Vista machines were out. Perhaps in Jan?

My features have a prompts for "icons" not for "thumbnails". Obviously Sony knows what they are doing and sent some pointers that go to the RAW developer S/W. MS (Gateway?) on the otherhand did a half way job with JPEG & TIFF side. I'm not sure why you say that the TIFF format isn't comaptable. Certainly the MS Digital Image S/W will read & edit it. Just as any S/W I've used. Just not happy with any of the Thumbnails you can use when quickly want to move & edit stuff.
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was
isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
LowRyter said:
Ken, I got it new The first day that the Vista machines were out.
Perhaps in Jan?

My features have a prompts for "icons" not for "thumbnails".
Obviously Sony knows what they are doing and sent some pointers
that go to the RAW developer S/W. MS (Gateway?) on the otherhand
did a half way job with JPEG & TIFF side. I'm not sure why you say
that the TIFF format isn't comaptable. Certainly the MS Digital
Image S/W will read & edit it. Just as any S/W I've used. Just
not happy with any of the Thumbnails you can use when quickly want
to move & edit stuff.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that about tiffs. But there are some variations that might noe work.. But I have tiffs thumbnailing.

How are things working in the pictures folder?

Is the Vista Home or Vista basic?

I have Ultimate... but I don't think it should be that different there...
LowRyter said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was
isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I have the Vista Premium. The JPEGs run thumbnails in Photo Gallery but not in Documents. The Sony RAW runs thumnails in both places and the TIFFs show no thumbnails anywhere.
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
Ken, I got it new The first day that the Vista machines were out.
Perhaps in Jan?

My features have a prompts for "icons" not for "thumbnails".
Obviously Sony knows what they are doing and sent some pointers
that go to the RAW developer S/W. MS (Gateway?) on the otherhand
did a half way job with JPEG & TIFF side. I'm not sure why you say
that the TIFF format isn't comaptable. Certainly the MS Digital
Image S/W will read & edit it. Just as any S/W I've used. Just
not happy with any of the Thumbnails you can use when quickly want
to move & edit stuff.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that about tiffs. But there are some variations that
might noe work.. But I have tiffs thumbnailing.

How are things working in the pictures folder?

Is the Vista Home or Vista basic?

I have Ultimate... but I don't think it should be that different
there...
Ken_5D said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was
isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
LowRyter said:
I have the Vista Premium. The JPEGs run thumbnails in Photo
Gallery but not in Documents. The Sony RAW runs thumnails in both
places and the TIFFs show no thumbnails anywhere.
Click to expand...
Documents is not set up to thumbnail but if you open it. righ click in the file area between the file icons there should be a customize option change the template t photos.

Either you have a variation of Tiff the system doesn;t get or maybe there is some kind od FAX software installed that has taken over the tiff format since that is the common format faxes are stored in and Sony loves to add lots of free stuff to their computers.
LowRyter said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
Ken, I got it new The first day that the Vista machines were out.
Perhaps in Jan?

My features have a prompts for "icons" not for "thumbnails".
Obviously Sony knows what they are doing and sent some pointers
that go to the RAW developer S/W. MS (Gateway?) on the otherhand
did a half way job with JPEG & TIFF side. I'm not sure why you say
that the TIFF format isn't comaptable. Certainly the MS Digital
Image S/W will read & edit it. Just as any S/W I've used. Just
not happy with any of the Thumbnails you can use when quickly want
to move & edit stuff.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that about tiffs. But there are some variations that
might noe work.. But I have tiffs thumbnailing.

How are things working in the pictures folder?

Is the Vista Home or Vista basic?

I have Ultimate... but I don't think it should be that different
there...
LowRyter said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was
isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Mark, I've changed these Customized settings as well as the Geek Squad guys, and it makes no differnce. It was already set to photos. And it's not just the TIFF it's the JPEGs as well.

The Sony RAW is OK.
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
I have the Vista Premium. The JPEGs run thumbnails in Photo
Gallery but not in Documents. The Sony RAW runs thumnails in both
places and the TIFFs show no thumbnails anywhere.
Click to expand...
Documents is not set up to thumbnail but if you open it. righ
click in the file area between the file icons there should be a
customize option change the template t photos.

Either you have a variation of Tiff the system doesn;t get or maybe
there is some kind od FAX software installed that has taken over
the tiff format since that is the common format faxes are stored in
and Sony loves to add lots of free stuff to their computers.
Ken_5D said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
Ken, I got it new The first day that the Vista machines were out.
Perhaps in Jan?

My features have a prompts for "icons" not for "thumbnails".
Obviously Sony knows what they are doing and sent some pointers
that go to the RAW developer S/W. MS (Gateway?) on the otherhand
did a half way job with JPEG & TIFF side. I'm not sure why you say
that the TIFF format isn't comaptable. Certainly the MS Digital
Image S/W will read & edit it. Just as any S/W I've used. Just
not happy with any of the Thumbnails you can use when quickly want
to move & edit stuff.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that about tiffs. But there are some variations that
might noe work.. But I have tiffs thumbnailing.

How are things working in the pictures folder?

Is the Vista Home or Vista basic?

I have Ultimate... but I don't think it should be that different
there...
Ken_5D said:
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
it's a glitch, somehow the pointers aren't engaging to the right
programs
lptk said:
You're probably in Tiles view in the Documents folder. There's a
button on the toolbar to select the View. Change it to Thumbnail.
Or search the product help for Thumbnail view.

TIFF is not a single image format. Depending on the actual image
content and compression methods used Windows may or may not be able
to display the content. This is probably what you're seeing.
Particularly if Photo Gallery can't display the TIFF image at all.
You could examine the TIFF properties in a program that gives
detailed info to see what compression method is being used, but I
don't know that you'll find a solution to this.
  • TK
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
That means the software was installed wrong or something was
isnstalled into it.

Was this a new machine or an upgrade.?
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
Right click on Computer in the start menu, choose properties. On the left side choose advanced system settings. Click the settings button under performance, then check "Show thumbnails instead of icons". Not sure if this will resolve your issue or not.
 
Thank you KSJ. I did find the option (I didn't know it was there). It was checked as an option for Window to decide...or something to the affect. I set it to custom, double checked the option & hit apply.

it worked.

Thank you. You apparently know more than the Geek Squd & Gateway Tech support.
ksj said:
Right click on Computer in the start menu, choose properties. On
the left side choose advanced system settings. Click the settings
button under performance, then check "Show thumbnails instead of
icons". Not sure if this will resolve your issue or not.
Click to expand...
 
spoke too soon. the thumbails work for my RAW & JEGS but the TIFFs wn't do it.
Ken_5D said:
ksj said:
Right click on Computer in the start menu, choose properties. On
the left side choose advanced system settings. Click the settings
button under performance, then check "Show thumbnails instead of
icons". Not sure if this will resolve your issue or not.
Click to expand...
Good tip..!! glad you could help here..
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
LowRyter said:
spoke too soon. the thumbails work for my RAW & JEGS but the TIFFs
wn't do it.
Click to expand...
Can you post a link to a tiff you have ... Tiff has had many variations of what is in the file it is not as predictable as jpg or gif
LowRyter said:
Ken_5D said:
ksj said:
Right click on Computer in the start menu, choose properties. On
the left side choose advanced system settings. Click the settings
button under performance, then check "Show thumbnails instead of
icons". Not sure if this will resolve your issue or not.
Click to expand...
Good tip..!! glad you could help here..
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
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Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Infranview & Sony read TIFF. XP brouser reads & thumbnails TIFF.

I could swear it was working yesterday on VIsta
Ken_5D said:
LowRyter said:
spoke too soon. the thumbails work for my RAW & JEGS but the TIFFs
wn't do it.
Click to expand...
Can you post a link to a tiff you have ... Tiff has had many
variations of what is in the file it is not as predictable as jpg
or gif
Ken_5D said:
Ken_5D said:
ksj said:
Right click on Computer in the start menu, choose properties. On
the left side choose advanced system settings. Click the settings
button under performance, then check "Show thumbnails instead of
icons". Not sure if this will resolve your issue or not.
Click to expand...
Good tip..!! glad you could help here..
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
------------
Ken - KM 5D
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Click to expand...
 
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