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Started Mar 24, 2007 | Discussions thread
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Re: Something for you to read

Ryan McDaniel wrote:

Chato wrote:

Marty4650 wrote:


The earth has been "warming" for 10,000 years now. Since the last
ice age ended. We are in an "interglacial" period, which is what
happens when the natural cycle of warming and cooling occurs. In
fact, 800 years ago the earth was considerably warmer than it is
today. And there were no SUVs to blame for it back then....

Yes, of course the earth's temperature varies enourmously over
time. The time in question in VERY short.

No, it's not. There's nothing in the climate record to suggest that
a 0.6C rise over a century is outside natural variability or

It's pretty unprecedented. And when one considers that here in the States we have been keepinbg records for over a 120 years, and nine of the warmest have taken place in the last ten, it would appear that this is accelerating.

Of course there is NO scientific date. You are left with the
reality that all of the climatologist organisations without
exception buy into this "religion."

No they do not. Of course this is an extremely WEAK argument either
way. Anyone can get a few people together and start an
"organization." Appeal to authority is a fallacy, and is not

We are talking about ALL the sceintific organisations. We are talking about all the peer reviewed literature. From the National Academy of Scieince to Nasa itself. From all the climatologist organisations, etc, etc.

But what makes them authoratative in my mind, is that these SAME groups mocked the environmentalists thirty years ago. A fanatic doesn't change their minds no matter what the evidence. A sceptical scientist DOES change their mind when they are faced with evidence.

All you can do is point to
three of four scientists who disagree.

There are far more than that who disagree.

None of them have composed or written peer reviewed article. I believe that there are TWO scientists with serious crednetials that take a modified version of your position.

But I don't make my decisions based on scientists voting, because
appeal to common belief is also a fallacy, and not science. Science
is NOT determined by consensus. E = MC2 is not considered true
because of a vote. It is true because its predictions match
experimental observation.

Absolutely correct!

You might want to read a piece by Michael Crichton.

And after your long song and dance above you wish me to take a medical doctor as an authority on climatology?

Incidentally, since Global Warming Alarmism had been thoroughly
debunked by real science, the environmental whackos have switched
it to "Global Climate Change" as their real concern. All their past
predictions of "Ice Age 1975" were wrong. Every 10 years Al Gore
tells us we have "ten years left before the planet dies."

Al Gore is not the issue. The issue is Global Warming and ALL the
climatologist groups are in 100 percent agreement.

I want to be careful not to call you personally a liar. But NO SCIENTIST ever claimed that there was going to be a global freeze. This was a media extravaganza based on one very cold winter in the North East. This has become an Urban Legend.

And I remember it well, because I am a heating mechanic and remember that winter and all the cute predictions of a coming ice age. And at the time I thought it was BS and at the time I checked and found that this was ALL media hype.

If you haven't gotten the hint yet, these are fallacies:

  • Claiming that ALL people agree with you.

  • Defining those that don't agree with you as cranks so that you

can continue, in your mind, to make the claim that ALL people (who
are not cranks) agree with you.

  • Appealing to the authority or beliefs of any organization or

group. Science is NOT a vote!

Please read the piece by Michael Crichton.

I'm sure the good doctor can give me good advice on bolting together the minicuis of my knees, as I can give him and YOU good advice on what heating system to install


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