I know what you mean, but for a casual customer, it is a good way for them to jump start their journey in dslr photography, and if they want to upgrade, there are always E-XXX or E-X to choose from. This small form factor dslr is by no means a pro camera, thus no steep development are really needed as the 4/3 standard.
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New E-series DSLR will have 4x lens factor!
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Kid, that is a question for the Olympus engineers to answer, I believe Olympus, and I think they can do it. And hey, Olympus is also a medical equipment company that sell high precision products, take a hint.
Please explain to me how the E-400 can become smaller when using a
smaller sensor...
Don't be silly, we are talking about lens factor here.
and i even clicked the OP's link ...
what a waste of time again to read such utter quatsch.
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what a waste of time again to read such utter quatsch.
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johnnynodough
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I imagine it would be pretty darn expensive if not impossible for even shorter focal length lenses to compensate for that. Even the wide angle P&S cameras, with there immense crop factor, most only go from 28mm-38mm on the wide side, sans a few 20mm which cost a ton and were flops.
I guess its not completely unreasonable, as long as Oly came out with a complete line, like different types for the same series, but they would need new lenses to back it up, and since they would need to be cheap to fit in your $299 model, they would also barrel D like no ones business.
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I guess its not completely unreasonable, as long as Oly came out with a complete line, like different types for the same series, but they would need new lenses to back it up, and since they would need to be cheap to fit in your $299 model, they would also barrel D like no ones business.
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The fun bit is checking out the OP's history here - nothing at all since October 2005, then all of a sudden popping up with this ridiculous troll.... Wonder where she/he/it was for the last year and a half?
I probably shouldn't be contributing to this tripe, but then why not? Here at Oly dSLRs we are ALWAYS ready to accommodate this particular species..... Here's to 150......
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I probably shouldn't be contributing to this tripe, but then why not? Here at Oly dSLRs we are ALWAYS ready to accommodate this particular species..... Here's to 150......
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Wow, what a constructive comment! Well, let me tell you this, "I am not with you on this one". Now get the heell out of here.
baxters
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Why wait, you can make your own like this guy did with a Pentax shell and a compact camera. I believe it's not a hoax and it even works. There's some pictures in the middle of the thread..
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21862555
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21862555
OMG, that is something you won't see everyday!
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When I saw "New E-series DSLR will have 4x lens factor!" I thought the OP was claiming to have some insights into what Olympus was about to do. While I found the suggestion of a "4x lens factor" to be highly unlikely, I decided to have a look. It turns out, of course, that the subject line of the post was very poorly chosen. It was not a post about what the New E-series DSLR will have, but rather what the OP hoped it would have. Major difference!
I think somewhat more honesty in wording the subject line would have been warranted.
I think somewhat more honesty in wording the subject line would have been warranted.
. . . congrats you found it first. : )
But I think the main problem with any 2/3 type DSLR is diffraction limits. There would be little point in have lenses that could stop down to f/22 when they would start diffracting at f/4. Simply put, you would never even see the six megapixels of data you were getting unless you were wide open. Moreover, to regear the "system", you would need lenses of retarded apertures, like f/.35, which would be wider than the camera itself in some cases, like 6 inches by some rough math for a 50mm lens.
The whole thing would end up with $200 cameras and $5000 lenses.
Unless of course you were willing to accept the compromise of having two stops of useful aperture range. I wouldn't.
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But I think the main problem with any 2/3 type DSLR is diffraction limits. There would be little point in have lenses that could stop down to f/22 when they would start diffracting at f/4. Simply put, you would never even see the six megapixels of data you were getting unless you were wide open. Moreover, to regear the "system", you would need lenses of retarded apertures, like f/.35, which would be wider than the camera itself in some cases, like 6 inches by some rough math for a 50mm lens.
The whole thing would end up with $200 cameras and $5000 lenses.
Unless of course you were willing to accept the compromise of having two stops of useful aperture range. I wouldn't.
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Raist3d
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Well actually, if I really want to do wide angle all I have to do is get a wide angle lens
It will increase the noise. Moreover, the size decrease may not be all that difference since it needs to take the 4/3rds mount anyway, and may introduce all sorts of optical problems, etc. It's certainly not a slam dunk to do.
You can buy the 10x 4/3rd lens and be done with that problem.
Not happening. Not for $299 as of today.. The smaller you go with electronics you reach a point where things start costing more again. Rather than do that, what Olympus can do is an all in one lens ultra zoom camera... umm which is exactly what they announced recently.
There is a far better solution to that- the ultra zoom they just announced. Why make it 4/3rds? The lens is bigger, costs more and you will have to carry around several. What you suggest is better done as what they announced in their all in one ultra zoom.
If you are going for a low price point, but you are going to pair this with the 14-54 even ($400-$500 USD alone) then what's the point?
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The hint you should take is that doing high precision instruments at a small size is $$$VERY EXPENSIVO$$$. Why would this solution make any sense when the ultrazoom they got coming out is announced... shoudln't that answer what you wanted?
Seriously, why bother paying $299 for the body as a price concern (that is, trying to make it cost that from a consumer cost conscious marketshare point of view) if the lenses are going to cost some cash? Since they will have to maek the lenses now super wide to go with that camera so you don't get by default a telephoto.
It's all more $$$. This is not happening.
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--Please explain to me how the E-400 can become smaller when using a
smaller sensor...
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Garry Schaefer
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With respect to a 2/3 format sensor, my old E-10 was actually very similar in size to my current E-1. That's a body shape and size much to my liking.
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jscott
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Don't be silly and claim a lens "becomes" a different focal length with you put it on a DSLR with a different sized sensor. Furthermore, why be silly and state "lens factors" in terms of an increasingly insignificant standard?
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Trying to do it all with a 2/3" format DSLR would work badly:
a) The existing 4/3 lens system would lose essentially all of its wide angle coverage, requiring numerous new lenses at about half the current focal length combinations, like a 7-28mm or so standard zoom.
b) the 38mm distance from lens mount to focal plane is painfully big for designing wide-angle lenses for a 2/3" format sensors, like that 7-28mm standard zoom.
So you would still need a body with 4/3" sensor. Also
c) It would be tough to get a sufficiently big and bright optical viewfinder image (though going all EVF would get around that).
So FourThirds users would still need a body with a "Full Frame" 4/3" sensor. And then the second body with smaller sensor would be mainly or entirely for great telephoto reach, and so might as well be a fixed lens super-zoom like the Olympus SP-550 UZ. One lens like that 18x zoom will give all the advertised telephoto virtues. (And if 500mm equiv. is not enough, the 1.7x telephoto sup. works with it!)
I suppose that one can also dream of 4/3" sensors of say 20MP to 40MP, so supporting a 2/3" crop of 5MP to 10MP: at least the central part of the image used in the crop might be sharp enough, even if the lenses do not keep up well with 20MP plus over the full frame.
P. S. It seems from the responses that we FourThirds users in our own way prefer "Full Frame" to "Image Circle Cropping Cameras"!
a) The existing 4/3 lens system would lose essentially all of its wide angle coverage, requiring numerous new lenses at about half the current focal length combinations, like a 7-28mm or so standard zoom.
b) the 38mm distance from lens mount to focal plane is painfully big for designing wide-angle lenses for a 2/3" format sensors, like that 7-28mm standard zoom.
So you would still need a body with 4/3" sensor. Also
c) It would be tough to get a sufficiently big and bright optical viewfinder image (though going all EVF would get around that).
So FourThirds users would still need a body with a "Full Frame" 4/3" sensor. And then the second body with smaller sensor would be mainly or entirely for great telephoto reach, and so might as well be a fixed lens super-zoom like the Olympus SP-550 UZ. One lens like that 18x zoom will give all the advertised telephoto virtues. (And if 500mm equiv. is not enough, the 1.7x telephoto sup. works with it!)
I suppose that one can also dream of 4/3" sensors of say 20MP to 40MP, so supporting a 2/3" crop of 5MP to 10MP: at least the central part of the image used in the crop might be sharp enough, even if the lenses do not keep up well with 20MP plus over the full frame.
P. S. It seems from the responses that we FourThirds users in our own way prefer "Full Frame" to "Image Circle Cropping Cameras"!
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Sorry, I don't know what a heell is and I certainly don't have one to remove from here as you've requested. If you happen to find one, maybe you can do us all a favor and get the heell out of here yourself.
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