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Hi All, Could you recomend a 20inch monitor to be used just for photo-editing please.

Regards, Kev.
 
I've just bought a 20" Dell 2007fwp lcd. Tack sharp, rotates for portrait too.

Won a top award in a uk photo mag.
 
The Dell is an excellent monitor, I use the 24" version of that one at work -

However second place in that review went to the Apple Cinema screen, which is(IMO) significantly better, but quite a lot more expensive - The Dell is arguably much better value.. but the Apple is Awesome..

.. but I bought the 24" Apple for use at home, despite using the Dell at work, and its simply fabulous - Though I dont use a MAC, I use a PC, but the Apple screen is the best Ive ever used - and as an IT manager for the last 15 years Ive seen and used a lot of monitors!

We've just ordered the 30" version for a chap at work - I work for a cellular imaging organisation, we manufacture some awesome kit - this screen is going to one of the guys who develops a lot of our optical solutions, and he needs the resolution..

I'm digressing.. Buy the Dell, you wont regret it! If you have cash to splash, or the monitor is going in a really public place, buy the Apple - its better looking, not just a better monitor!
 
It is not enough to say that such or such monitor is fine, what is your references to arg this ?

For imaging and retouching you need not only enough colors and small pixels and hardware (not software) control on screen, but also the widest range of dynamic as possible. And most digital give up.

Being in this field as well and creating renderings, excepted a few moments on a lacie 321, I continue to work 90% of the time on a ViewSonic P227FB 21" cathodic model. It is cheaper but according to firsts tests I read, it was one of the best for imaging.
 
I have both VewSonic & LCD. The issue is the CRT looks fuzzy next to the LCD.

My Vewsonic is 3yrs old and lost some of it's sparkle. Time to get a new monitor. The is a LCD is smaller and sharper, but i loose the gr8t Color's unless I go NEC etc (big money).

Thats the issue i have and I guess many other too.
Alex
 
Ron, I've tried to email you several times, but they always get bounced back. Wanted to talk to you about building a computer. Email me when you get a chance.

Terry
 
uk102 said:
I have both VewSonic & LCD. The issue is the CRT looks fuzzy next
to the LCD.
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Change the graphics card (or you might need to send the CRT for focusing). I have a F520cc SONY with 2048x1536 @ 85Hz that is razor sharp, but the other SONY (F500-T9R) @ 1800x1350 is even better. Both are as sharp as TFT screens, all pixels are square not just spots in the screen. The 2048x1536 resolution was fuzzy with Radeon x700 PRO card but after changing to Sapphire X1600XT (GDDR3 RAM) it became razor sharp. Any Sapphires (or genuine ATI if available, even those are made by Sapphire) X1x00-series ATI card should do it for you, but I would not buy anything below X1600XT level since the price is not that big (100-150 USD?).
uk102 said:
My Vewsonic is 3yrs old and lost some of it's sparkle. Time to get
a new monitor. The is a LCD is smaller and sharper, but i loose the
gr8t Color's unless I go NEC etc (big money).
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My F520cc is 4 years old and is razor sharp. My wifes F500-T9R is about 6 years old and is even sharper (ok, it needs 10-15 minutes to warm up, before that it is not as sharp since temperature slightly changes its focus and I have adjusted it to be perfect after 30 min of use since it stays on usually for 8-16 hours per day).

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Osku
 
I haven't worked with the latest NEC yet.

My reference is based on working with quite a number of monitors. I personally have a CG210 as my primary workstation monitor and an older CG21 as the secondary. When checking color for output to CMYK, I fire up the CG220... I'd use that baby all the time but the gamut is so wide it can't be matched by anything but another like it, and I can't mount two of those on the workstation furniture I use (can't afford two either).

The black levels are very low, dynamic range is very wide, and the color gamut on the CG210 and CG21 is very, very wide -- only surpassed by the AdobeRGB gamut of the 220. I have not yet worked with the later model of the 220 (CG221).

I have worked with a number of the L-series Eizo monitors as well, and I have not yet been disappointed by one of them. IMO, they deliver the best quality for price in flat screens. Period.

Ron
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Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com
 
Terry, I had the email nightmare of all time this year, and finally stopped messing with it after having to handle about 8000 over an 11.5-day period of 16-20 hour days. I threw up my hands and said "F* this!". I'll bet you understand the sentiment.

Tel: 818.843.8212
Cel: 818.468.2732

Ron
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Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com
 
Ron,

How does the CE series fair to the CG? I was looking at the 24" model.

-JD
Ron Reznick said:
I haven't worked with the latest NEC yet.

My reference is based on working with quite a number of monitors. I
personally have a CG210 as my primary workstation monitor and an
older CG21 as the secondary. When checking color for output to
CMYK, I fire up the CG220... I'd use that baby all the time but the
gamut is so wide it can't be matched by anything but another like
it, and I can't mount two of those on the workstation furniture I
use (can't afford two either).

The black levels are very low, dynamic range is very wide, and the
color gamut on the CG210 and CG21 is very, very wide -- only
surpassed by the AdobeRGB gamut of the 220. I have not yet worked
with the later model of the 220 (CG221).

I have worked with a number of the L-series Eizo monitors as well,
and I have not yet been disappointed by one of them. IMO, they
deliver the best quality for price in flat screens. Period.

Ron
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Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com
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Thanks.......................JD
 
JD, the CE series is new -- when I talked with the Eizo fellow a few months ago they were just releasing them. They are using similar panel quality to the CG with more basic calibration electronics. I haven't worked with one yet, but they Eizo fellow was pretty high on them, saying that they were nearly up to the CG level at a significantly lower price. Probably worth checking out...

Ron
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Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com
 
Yes I understand. I think if i had that many emails over that period of time I would change my name. Ha ha...
I will give you a call.

Terry
 
I have the 24" Dell and have not been able to calibrate it perfectly. It is a known issue. Gamma is too bright, and unadjustable to be low enough for calibration.
 
Ilan Gavish said:
Hi, Ron
How's the NEC SpectraView® Reference 21' in comparison to the EIZO's

http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/coremedia/generator/index,realm=Products__Details__Main,spec=x__uk__en,docId=112408,type=SV

Graphic series such as ColorEdge CG221
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg221/index.asp

I know that the screens for the NEC are made by Mitsubishi but who
is the maker for EIZO?
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Ilan
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Actually this is not true, at least with the xx90 series anyway. The NEC 2190uxi panel is made by NEC themselves and the 1990 and 2090 are made by LG PHillips as I understand it. I am currently using the 2190 myself and between me and another individual who is even more extreme than I about color control and who also owns the Eizo CG210 claims the NEC 2190 to be superior. This perspective is based upon the comparisons of the color gamuts of the two monitors as well as the measured Delte E's and in both cases the NEC 2190 was notably better than the Eizo CG210. I have used and seen the ACD's and they are really good monitors but the NEC 2190 is definetly better IMO subjectively and otherwise. NEC packed a lot of cutting edge technology into this monitor and it shows, plus its at least a grand less expensive than the Eizo. However there are reasons to buy an ACD vs the NEC or Eizo for that matter and much of that depends upon your workflow and how you plan to use the monitor. If critical color and density are your main goals, then its a no brainer the NEC or Eizo's are the way to go, however if you just need resonably good color representation but a large piece of geography for editing multiple images in programs like Aperture the ACD's especially the 30" version is a compelling solution. A word of caution though, quality control on the ACD's is not what it should be from my understanding. One only has to spend a modicum of time on the Apple-Cinema Display forums to read about many an ugly story with bad monitors.

Also worth noting is the newly introduced Eizo CG211 which replaces the 210, but still a grand more than the 2190. The only difference I could tell from the spec sheet is an increase from 14bit to 16bit LUT's internally. The NEC by comparison has 12 bit LUT's and when calibrated correctly displays the absolute smoothest gradients I have ever seen by a large margin. In fact I would call them just about as perfect as can be expected, certainly better than any CRT I ever used including the Lacie Electron Blues. About the worst thing I can say about the NEC is their marketing for this product... well it just doesn't amount to much and so they do not have the presence of the ACD's or Eizo's but in no way is it inferior.

Hope this helps.

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Rob Outlaw Photography

http://www.roboutlawphotography.com
 
Ilan Gavish said:
Hi, Ron
How's the NEC SpectraView® Reference 21' in comparison to the EIZO's

http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/coremedia/generator/index,realm=Products__Details__Main,spec=x__uk__en,docId=112408,type=SV

Graphic series such as ColorEdge CG221
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg221/index.asp

I know that the screens for the NEC are made by Mitsubishi but who
is the maker for EIZO?
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Ilan
http://www.pbase.com/kipa
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Mitsubishi does NOT make the screens for the NEC. The LCD2190 panel is an IPS made by NEC-NLT.

Hard to tell with the Eizo. The panel search says it is an AS-IPS but from the 170/170 viewing angle i find that hard to believe.
 
Its an excellent monitor with good color accuracy. It also has a wide angle of view.
 
have calibrated mine with a spyder, even though the mag review said it didn't need it.

Whatever it is or isn't calibrated too my prints are spot on out of my epson r800
 
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