Olympus RE-3000 6MP not until dec 2002

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....-- http://www.RobsPhoto.com

If there's one thing Chasseurs d'images does well, it's break NDAs. I really wonder how it is they get their information with all the NDAs they've broken. Then again, this is in their forum...

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

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--- Dr. G.E-10 FAQ: http://www.tokenasians.com/articles/e10faq.html

I like the 6mp, but I don't know about the interchangeable lens with the dust problems. After 30 years of that, I just got used to the E-10 fixed lens. I liked your "Midnight Creeps" series , took me back to when I used to shoot rock shows, and that reminded me of "CBGB's" in Manhattan.
JP Photography

Dr. Gonzo said:

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

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--

• Dr. G.

E-10 FAQ: http://www.tokenasians.com/articles/e10faq.html

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--The best always,JP Photography~large files, slow show, enjoy~ http://members.localnet.com/~endoline/JPresters

Well Robert

It may be a long wait . . . . . . . but it's what they promised a year ago - and when they promised it.

And IMHO this approach might just represent the beginning of a settled standard for digital photography.

Hooray!

kind regards
jono slack

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

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--Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

I'm patiently waiting. By that time, my biceps should be built up from shooting with the LiPo... OR... my back will be in such shambles I won't NEED a camera!!

Jono Slack said:

It may be a long wait . . . . . . . but it's what they promised a
year ago - and when they promised it.

And IMHO this approach might just represent the beginning of a
settled standard for digital photography.

Hooray!

kind regards
jono slack

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

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--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk

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Hi Tom

How the devil are ya - I hope that the wedding goes well.

As for your biceps . . . . why should you need them - I'm only guessing, but don't you think they'll have the good sense to try and repeat their succes with the OM series and make this a small camera? After all, the lenses need not be big.

I can't wait to see the specs - I was certainly thinking seriously about getting the Contax N, but if this looks good, OLY might just have saved me a LOT of money

kind regards
jono slack

Tom Meeks said:

Jono Slack said:

It may be a long wait . . . . . . . but it's what they promised a
year ago - and when they promised it.

And IMHO this approach might just represent the beginning of a
settled standard for digital photography.

Hooray!

kind regards
jono slack

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

Click to expand...

--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk

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--Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Hello Jono,

"As usual", we're waiting for the same target ;-)))

And that has nothing to do with the current quality of the Oly E-... series (just great), but it's for some of us the "next logical step".
So, I'm also looking for the specs - meanwhile enjoying my E-... series.

Jaja

Jono Slack said:

I can't wait to see the specs - I was certainly thinking seriously
about getting the Contax N, but if this looks good, OLY might just
have saved me a LOT of money

kind regards
jono slack

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Dec 2002... sheesh! And that's predicted, and you know what happens to project gannt charts on 99.9% of engineering projects... they slip out to the right!

Sounds good, but if this is Oly's attempt to create the "new format" for interchangable lenses, here's some food for thought...

Half frame = 24mm x 18mm, so at 5um per pixel (best lens resolving power), this will only take us to 4800x3600 = 17mp.

Can we live with that as a "new format"? Is it larger than nevessary and should the "new format" be smaller? Or is it too small - do we feel that in 10 years time, we'd like 25mp?

17mp?
Hmmmm.....

--Excal

Robert Schultz said:

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

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Perfect timing for me then! When I picked up my E-10 on Nov 7 2000, I made a promise to myself that I would resist the temptation to buy a new camera for at least two years. My previous camera, a Fuji MX-700, lasted 12 months before I started to get the itch for a new model. Spend six months researching and waiting, and decided on the E-10. One more year to go.... hope I can hold out.

Excal said:

Half frame = 24mm x 18mm, so at 5um per pixel (best lens resolving
power), this will only take us to 4800x3600 = 17mp.

Can we live with that as a "new format"? Is it larger than
nevessary and should the "new format" be smaller? Or is it too
small - do we feel that in 10 years time, we'd like 25mp?

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Ever since I got into digital photography a few years ago and started to think about such things as pixel resolution, my feeling is that for "35mm" digital photography, 6 to 12 million high-quality pixels will be sufficient for virtually every application I can think of. For tack-sharp photos, you'll want at least 300 ppi of native resolution. 400 ppi if you can get away with it. The E-10 produces beautiful 8x10 prints, and that is only at about 210 ppi. So let's assume an application that requires extremely high quality output at 8x10: 400 ppi = 3200 x 4000 = 12.8 megapixels. With a bit of GF magic and dropping the resolution down a notch and so on, you could enlarge that to a 4-foot by 5-foot print and it would still look good from less than a foot away.

More than about 12 megapixels? I don't see the point, at least not for applications that traditional 35mm photography (and even medium format) is well-suited for. And imagine how long it will take to write out a 12-megapixel raw file to disk. ;-)

So for those of us a just a little behinnd, Oly is rumored to be coming out with a 35mm style body with exchangable lenses at 6 MP ? I had not heard this until today. To buy the E-20 or wait, now that is the question.

RKF

Robert Schultz said:

just hear the rumor ,... from the
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2028477

looks like a long wait for a 1/2 35mm frame ccd, 6MP, 5 lenses,...
price for camera $1600-2000 + lenses...

thought you might want to enjoy your E-10 or E-20 more ....
--
http://www.RobsPhoto.com

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For me, 4mp is good enough, but I'll probably upgrade to about 8mp. But there are applications which require more I'm sure - big poster campaigns, micro-measurement but pixel counting - well, I'm guessing, but I'm sure there are niche applications for > 20mp.

As to write time for 12mp... I have two things to say...

1) JPEG 2000

2) With todays solid state/HD technology, but such things as holographic storage have been on the cards for a number of years.

--Excal

thought, I recalled the initial kodak KAF series had 6.8um pixel size,
and they did mention, that the upgrade path for future development is
set to reach 16MB max with this design-- http://www.RobsPhoto.com

It's true.

Jason Busch--'I do just about everything in my CCD's...'

Darn it! This is one year too soon for me!

I paid full retail a year ago, ain't no way I'm gonna
dump another $2500 (camera and a couple zooms)
this soon.

I still want 8MP for my landscape shots at 12x17,
and Oly will HAVE to drop noise down to EOS 1D
levels at 800 ISO, or it won't be worth it to me.

I'm sure glad they are shrinking the lenses to fit
the CCD! Wonder if they will be 'stabilized'?

I've gotten spoiled by the huge moment of inertia
with the tcon 314!!!

Excal said:

But there are applications which require more I'm sure - big poster
campaigns, micro-measurement but pixel counting - well, I'm
guessing, but I'm sure there are niche applications for > 20mp.

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There are such applications, but which of those today are done with a plain old 35mm film SLR? Big posters (even little posters) demand medium format or larger. I mean, we're not trying to replace spy satellites here. ;-)

excal said:

As to write time for 12mp... I have two things to say...

1) JPEG 2000

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And PNG for lossless compression...

excal said:

2) With todays solid state/HD technology, but such things as
holographic storage have been on the cards for a number of years.

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Availability of technology is unfortunately very different from availability of product. I've been waiting for almost two years now for something (anything) to use those 500MB write-once DataPlay discs... so far, nothing. Maybe 2002 will be my lucky year.

Yeah, I'm looking for detail in my landscapes and panoramas too. 5 megapixels is doing it for 8x10's and almost for 11x14's, but more is better for these needs.

Divergent from the high megapixel yield is my love and therefore need to photograph people in low light; Natural light found in homes, 25 watt bulbs, etc. For this I want Higher ISOs than what I have.. The E-20 and Sony 707 I have almost cut it. The prints look decent enough , but the files look so , er colorful. I just need a decent ISO 800 or 1600 to raise my shutter speed a bit. My two year old daughter does not stay motionless long!

Yes, I do shoot at ISO 320 and 400 respectively and find the noise detrimental, but not as much as missing the shot. I know Nikons and Canons seem to be leading the field in height ISO performance at present, but I feel in time it will migrate into more affordable cameras.

I dearly love the "compromised" sealed lens aspects (among other things) of my present cameras, but look forward to an interchangeable lens SLR someday. It may be this OLY/Kodak. Time will tell.

I really like using the LCD as a live viewfinder at waist level and at other times too. I WILL miss this on a "true" SLR.
Just some thoughts..
Robert

larry said:

Darn it! This is one year too soon for me!

I paid full retail a year ago, ain't no way I'm gonna
dump another $2500 (camera and a couple zooms)
this soon.

I still want 8MP for my landscape shots at 12x17,
and Oly will HAVE to drop noise down to EOS 1D
levels at 800 ISO, or it won't be worth it to me.

I'm sure glad they are shrinking the lenses to fit
the CCD! Wonder if they will be 'stabilized'?

I've gotten spoiled by the huge moment of inertia
with the tcon 314!!!

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HI Excal

Clever chap - but if you'd read the press releases from a year ago you'd have read that:

1. It was due for release at the end of 2002
2. the CCd was capable of 16Mp

so - you're right (but we already knew that 'cos we'd been told)

It Seems like a pretty sensible compromise to me - It will allow for nice small lenses, whilst still allowing upgrading until it's about equivalent to medium format.

If they can get it to take off at the prosumer level (which sounds like where this is aimed). Then they can start bringing out deeply desirable pro-level bodies afterwards.

My only question about it's success in the long run is that OLY is doing it. If it was Nikon taking this step I think one could be pretty sure of it's success in the long run.

kind regards
jono slack

Excal said:

Dec 2002... sheesh! And that's predicted, and you know what
happens to project gannt charts on 99.9% of engineering projects...
they slip out to the right!

Sounds good, but if this is Oly's attempt to create the "new
format" for interchangable lenses, here's some food for thought...

Half frame = 24mm x 18mm, so at 5um per pixel (best lens resolving
power), this will only take us to 4800x3600 = 17mp.

Can we live with that as a "new format"? Is it larger than
nevessary and should the "new format" be smaller? Or is it too
small - do we feel that in 10 years time, we'd like 25mp?

17mp?
Hmmmm.....

--
Excal

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--Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Jono Slack said:

My only question about it's success in the long run is that OLY is
doing it. If it was Nikon taking this step I think one could be
pretty sure of it's success in the long run.

kind regards
jono slack

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Yes - pretty much sums it up.

The CCD buzz though is so like the description of the E10 that I read and was never able to find again. What I read was the ability to take different CCDs (actually true as in the E20) and be able to take faster processors and be factory upgradeable – at a price.

So – I wonder – just what camera release did I really read?

It looks like very exciting times this year with Canon and Fuji almost certs to have new and desirable cameras – but Nikon is a dark horse – as you know, they deliberately stayed out of the “middle” or prosumer class for the last two years – they might just be ready to launch and all out offensive.

I really think first to market is the buzz for this year – KodOly’s target is a little too long IMO – and then we realistically must expect delays in this time frame too. By the expected launch date the market is likely to be a fierce place with reliable second or third generation samples from as many as five major players actually on the shelves awaiting your credit card number.

RKF said:

So for those of us a just a little behinnd, Oly is rumored to be
coming out with a 35mm style body with exchangable lenses at 6 MP
? I had not heard this until today. To buy the E-20 or wait, now
that is the question.

RKF

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This time of year - standard answer for ANY camera is - Wait.

Too many good items are due for press release next month or so. A decision to buy and sell in a few months can be better made then – might be the right time to buy second hand – save a few bob and save for an early-next-year purchase – most of the cameras mentioned next month are unlikely to be ready to purchase until November – that’s a long time.