Intel Photoshop question.

If somebody buys one of the new intel Macs and wants to use photoshop (still not native on the Mac side) - then surely the windows version of photoshop will be native and therefore quicker,or am i missing something here.

GR

tabloid said:

If somebody buys one of the new intel Macs and wants to use
photoshop (still not native on the Mac side) - then surely the
windows version of photoshop will be native and therefore
quicker,or am i missing something here.

GR

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That is absolutely correct the Win version is severely faster under Bootcamp and even Parallels than the OS X version. Some filters are more than twice as fast, but for normal working the difference is less significant.

Cheers,
Uwe

so the bottom line is to get the intel Mac and then get photoshop for the Windows side because its native.

Hmmm very doggy for tha Mac side , as people might then not bother putting in photoshop twice,and then get used to the windows side forever.

GR

tabloid said:

so the bottom line is to get the intel Mac and then get photoshop
for the Windows side because its native.

Hmmm very doggy for tha Mac side , as people might then not bother
putting in photoshop twice,and then get used to the windows side
forever.

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It's more a solution for switchers. They can keep their Win version at native speed until CS3 is released and then do the cross-grade which is only a handling fee from Adobe. You do not have to pay the full license twice.

Also - PS is usable under OS X and for most normal work it does not make that much of a difference - the mouse moves at the same speed, you can do selections at the same speed... etc. Benchmarks mainly reflect applying filters... most PS users spend 90%+ of their time doing something else...

Cheers,
Uwe

am I right in thinking you need to boot the machine up in Windows when using Bootcamp? That would mean restarting again to use any Mac OS apps?

It might be tempting but it does sound like a load of extra hassle - I tend to multi task somewhat even when photo editing so would find tha a frustration - although I am not a pro user, so a non UB version of PS would probably not represent a major issue. I would want to upgrade to CS3 next year though, and begrudge buying now only to have to upgrade in 6 months or so....

PSE 5 would be a solution but probably wont come before CS3 at this rate :-(
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Bigpikle said:

am I right in thinking you need to boot the machine up in Windows
when using Bootcamp? That would mean restarting again to use any
Mac OS apps?

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True. To avoid that you need to use Parallels - or try Crossover, but I cannot recommend the latter, it is extremely buggy and I gave up on it after 2 days.

Bigpikle said:

It might be tempting but it does sound like a load of extra hassle

• I tend to multi task somewhat even when photo editing so would

find tha a frustration - although I am not a pro user, so a non UB
version of PS would probably not represent a major issue. I would
want to upgrade to CS3 next year though, and begrudge buying now
only to have to upgrade in 6 months or so....

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As I said - for the vast majority of users the emulated version is absolutely usable, especially on the new fast machines. For non-commercial or standard use the hassle is certainly not justified.

Bigpikle said:

PSE 5 would be a solution but probably wont come before CS3 at this
rate :-(

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They would risk that a lot of people will realise that PSE is sufficient for them and will not wait and pay for CS3... I do not think that will happen.

Cheers,
Uwe

Uwe,

If I go out and buy Adobe PS CS2 for Windows then Adobe will allow me to upgrade to CS3 for a nominal fee?

Rich

Leicaman said:

Uwe,

If I go out and buy Adobe PS CS2 for Windows then Adobe will allow
me to upgrade to CS3 for a nominal fee?

Rich

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Adobe offers cross-grades only for current versions. So you can either upgrade your Windows CS2 to CS3 for the regular update price and then do the cross-grade for a handling fee once CS3 is available - OR cross-grade CS2 now and then buy the update from CS2 to CS3 of the OS X version. The cross-grading does not effect the upgrade pricing which is normally identical for both platforms, but has not been set yet.

Cheers,
Uwe

have you used PS in Parallels? I'm curious as to how it runs. The only person I know who's tried it said it was okay for photo correction but that the mouse behavior wasn't good enough for drawing and painting.

Conchita said:

have you used PS in Parallels? I'm curious as to how it runs. The
only person I know who's tried it said it was okay for photo
correction but that the mouse behavior wasn't good enough for
drawing and painting.

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Yes - I have. No problems at all. Does your friend have the Parallels Tools installed under Windows? Most people made the mistake of not installing them again when updating Parallels... there were some significant improvements since the public beta. Also, the mouse behaviour is excellent in full screen mode - there are occasional glitches in windowed mode - especially with wireless mice.

Cheers,
Uwe

Uwe,

How much does a version upgrade usually cost?

R

Uwe,

I have read abiut a significant numbers of kernal Panics encounterd trying to load WXP with paralells on MacPros...

Wait a bit to buy it?

Leicaman said:

Uwe,

How much does a version upgrade usually cost?

R

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From PS CS to CS2 it was 170 USD. No idea if the CS3 upgrade will be the same though.

Cheers,
Uwe

Leicaman said:

Uwe,

I have read abiut a significant numbers of kernal Panics encounterd
trying to load WXP with paralells on MacPros...

Wait a bit to buy it?

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It seems the Mac Pro support does still need some work from their side. It does currently only work on machines with up to 3.5 GB RAM and even on them it is not exactly stable. So far all updates have been free and their development went quite fast... I am not worried yet. Also, as Apple promotes them quite obviously, I am sure they will get some support in making it compatible if required.

Cheers,
Uwe

Conchita

Uwe,

What are the parallels tools and are they installed after Parallels is installed and after Windows XP is installed? What is the proper way to instal Parallels and the Windows OS?

2. Is Photoshop CS2 for apple any easier to use or understand than CS2 for Windows? Does the Apple version have any functionality the the Win version does not or are they both exactly the same?

Thanks.

Leicaman said:

Uwe,

What are the parallels tools and are they installed after Parallels
is installed and after Windows XP is installed? What is the proper
way to instal Parallels and the Windows OS?

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Parallels Tools have to be installed under Windows from Parallels Tools menu. It's a normal Windows wizard-like interface that steps you through the installation. It mainly contains specific improvements like shared access to the clipboard, mouse and graphics drivers, adding an icon for shared folders...etc. It is not really hard to install Parallels: Install Parallels, create a virtual machine with the Windows preset and set the CD drive as the first start-up device, put in the Windows installation CD, start the virtual machine, install Windows, restart, install Parallels Tools. Finished.

leicaman said:

2. Is Photoshop CS2 for apple any easier to use or understand than
CS2 for Windows? Does the Apple version have any functionality the
the Win version does not or are they both exactly the same?

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I am not aware of any differences - other than Version Cue for OS X not working on Intel processors at the moment, but I never used it anyhow, and the additional support for AppleScript in the OS X version. The interfaces are almost identical, the menu bar location is of course different and the default view under OS X is all windows to appear on the desktop iso in front of a solid background - there is no such thing as a main window in the OS X version, but you can turn on a solid background. I think working with many files is easier in OS X as Expose is quite helpful... that's about it.

HTH,
Uwe

Danke Uwe,

I have access to a full CS2 Windows PSCS2 so to save money I want to buy Parallels and either Widows XP Home or Pro and run PSCS2 that way on my new MacPro. I know that BootCamp requires you run WinXP Pro SP2... but it appears that there is no such requirement with Parallels. Since I will only be running PS and Panorama Factory on the Win Platform I really don't need to upgrade to XP Pro. When PSCS3 comes along I will buy that. My reasoning seem sound?

Are you in Germany?

Leicaman said:

Danke Uwe,

I have access to a full CS2 Windows PSCS2 so to save money I want
to buy Parallels and either Widows XP Home or Pro and run PSCS2
that way on my new MacPro. I know that BootCamp requires you run
WinXP Pro SP2... but it appears that there is no such requirement
with Parallels. Since I will only be running PS and Panorama
Factory on the Win Platform I really don't need to upgrade to XP
Pro. When PSCS3 comes along I will buy that. My reasoning seem
sound?

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Yes, that sounds ok. Just be aware that the Home edition will only use one CPU if you use it under Bootcamp. Under Parallels virtual machine there should be no difference.

leicaman said:

Are you in Germany?

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Just got back from being two years in Thailand and I am freezing... yes, I must be in Germany But I am flying to visit a friend in Savannah, GA on Saturday... hopefully that's warmer.

Cheers,
Uwe

Uwe,

I am a bit confusesd on the whole 64 bit/ dual processor thing.

Does either WinXP or OSX run 64 bit? Will the next version of OSX be 64 BIT? What is the difference... just added speed. I think that Vista will be 64 BIT.. correct?

Why would XP Home not be able to access dual processors under BootCamp? Is that the reason BootCamp requires WX Pro SP2? So WinXP Home would be able to take full advantage of the hardware in Parallels?

Dank