Who needs dSLR ;) (hummingbird)

Our fz cameras can take very good bird photos given the right light
etc.
Indeed, if I point my Panny near shadow I'm asking for PP grief. And low luminance means low contrast, lost detail. At the other extreme there's purple fringing etc. And if I'm really hamfisted I'll get all of the above in the same frame.

So I'm trying to learn to use it where it performs best, and to bring out its big brother when conditions get tougher.

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John
 
Thx for everyones comments and pictures. I will try much harder to better my shooting conditions so that there is a much finer line between what I said and the picture taken lol. I believe even they I failed to show out that the FZ cameras and specificly the FZ7 can take some highly detailed shots like LaRee and others have shown. And I do have a squirrel picture that is very detailed that would have made a better example in retrospec. I do agree, the detail should have been higher before making such a title for this thread. And shoot if I spent a thousand or more I would probably be offended by this thread too lol or I'd at least justify its utility vs a $300 camera. And straight out the camera I agree that a dSLR is superior but mainly I think it is a noise superiority not so much how much detail it resolutes but hopefully greater its megapixels the greater detailed resolution it has. But yes if I could afford a dSLR at the moment I'd have one too for sure.

Next week I will try and get some external flashes and I supose finding out if I can attach something to trigger my cameras shutter button via a broken laser would be useful too, probably expensive too.
 
I believe even though* I failed to bring out that the FZ cameras and specificly the FZ7 can take some highly detailed shots like LaRee and others have shown.

I wish there was an edit button.
 
It was an interesting discussion that brought out some nice pics, so thanks for that. On the difference question ...

The larger sensor doesn't just affect noise (SNR) but also dynamic range. There are also depth of field and other issues. However, quality compacts can compete with DSLRs on their own territory, just as SLRs have been able to compete with medium formats. For me, it is just a question of understanding the limits, and working within them.
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John
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cozijn/
 
It was an interesting discussion that brought out some nice pics,
so thanks for that. On the difference question ...
The larger sensor doesn't just affect noise (SNR) but also dynamic
range. There are also depth of field and other issues. However,
quality compacts can compete with DSLRs on their own territory,
just as SLRs have been able to compete with medium formats. For me,
it is just a question of understanding the limits, and working
within them.
Once the photographer has reached a certain level of competancy then the better IQ and capabilities of superior optics and sensors can only enable the photgrapher to achieve more. At that point a compact will limit the range and scope of the works that can be accomplished. That is not to say that there is not a place for compacts as they are compact and easy to carry around.
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Stan ;o()



Life is the arch enemy of sleep
Photo's are a record of life
I need a record 'cause I tend to forget.
 
In my next camera purchase I will pay more attention to getting one with better dynamic range but in the mean while I will learn my current FZ7 and will try my best to work around the situation to gain the best results possible.

Also I did notice while taking the shots that my dynamic range was lacking so I also tried taking 3 shots using autobracketing a few times hoping it would stay still enough to HDR the thing but as you can see I have not posted an HDR hummingbird, hence it did not stay still >

But really I guess you'll never find a camera good or great in ALL possible situations. However people say if Fuji and Panny would just come together there just might be one lol.
 
details are lost in the prosumers' zoomed shots that the shooter would now be inspired to take the shots into some artistic rather than detailed level. Not easy but at least I was trying : ).
Have a nice one,
gil







Hi Gil,

You have really good shots, but I've notice that they are all (or
most of them) taken in quite good lighting conditions. Am I right?
:) What I've said earlier about the Fz not being able to make it
is spoken in the context of poor lighting condition.

cheers,
Calv
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Quiet please. Sony A100 testing is in progress : ).
http://art4less.smugmug.com
 
images that makes you feel good about just owning the FZ : ). The shooter is to be blamed of course. I had the previous impression that I could match my FZ bird pics with the DSLR and I was able to do that on many occassions on different forums but I had to double the effort and the luck. I was quick to the draw for birds in flight but my FZ most often didn't cooperate : ). Even with the RDS, it will be fun but there is still more effort to be invested. DSLR is the only solution for advancing and enjoying more the capture (of course with the added weight, not just money factor). Maybe after a while, I will get tired of the weight/bulk/cost and will return to prosumer (FZ1000?).
cheers and have a nice one,
gil

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Quiet please. Sony A100 testing is in progress : ).
http://art4less.smugmug.com
 
There are things you can do about DR. If the subject is backlighted then you can use reflectors or fill flash. If the horizon is relatively straight, although it can be on an angle, you can use a graduated ND filter in a Cokin holder to bring down the level of brightness in the sky. Sometimes a Polarizing filter can help as it deepens the blue of the sky. In any case the DR of a digital camera is more like slide film rather than print film, so it's DR is a bit less. Aren't our eyes just wonderful. An for multiple exposures in HDR stunts, you've already realized that generally the world doesn't sit still for our convenience, bummer. Take pictures and have fun while learning new tricks/techniques.
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Stan ;o()



Life is the arch enemy of sleep
Photo's are a record of life
I need a record 'cause I tend to forget.
 
Besides the noise the detail in feathers wasn't there using FZ5.
Now tell these nice people which camera, lens and other goodies you used to get such an excellent capture. People are so enamored with what they have that they wish it to go beyond its capabilities. OK, in most cases the camera out strips the person pressing the shutter release. But once you get past that, the camera can make a difference.
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Stan ;o()



Life is the arch enemy of sleep
Photo's are a record of life
I need a record 'cause I tend to forget.
 
a recent post on the nikon cafe (not mine) but taken w/ a dslr



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Thanks
Randy

randyr.smugmug.com

 
come on let's not turn this into rocket science OK

I use both an fz20 and a D50 (and a d70s)...they all have aperture, ss, iso, metering....
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Thanks
Randy

randyr.smugmug.com

 
DSLRs don't have EVF to give me instant review in what I'm looking.

Taking my head away from camera to look at a LCD is plainly not on when using tele-adaptors hand held [950mm equivalent] to know that the subject is in frame properly.

They have a few advantages to be used when required but I prefer the FZ30 for most situations since I'm fortunate to have both.

I'd like a large sensor pro-sumer, 4/3 would probably do, then the DSLR would hardly get used at all except for extreme macro with it's bellows attachment etc.
 
we need to go back to the other side guys..this argument has been going on here for 2+ years
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Thanks
Randy

randyr.smugmug.com

 
we need to go back to the other side guys..this argument has been
going on here for 2+ years
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Thanks
Randy
So Randy is that what so many people are so preocupied with, how they'll spend 500 smackers on a camera and it'll outperform cameras costing much more. And a general purpose one lens options will outperform specialty lenses costing over a grand each. I don't think everyone here is under that illusion, maybe a few. Those few should take a good look at what the 70-200mm VR Nikkor can do and get some reality orientation, what do ya think? I got the FZ7 and after two weeks upped it into an FZ30 which ain't bad but it's no DSLR. Can't touch my D70 but it's useful in its own context and I have no unrealistic expectations of it. It can take some nice pictures within its limits and how I use it.
Hey Randy, check out this fuzzy photo and tell me what you think?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=19429683
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Stan ;o()



Life is the arch enemy of sleep
Photo's are a record of life
I need a record 'cause I tend to forget.
 
DSLRs don't have EVF to give me instant review in what I'm looking.
Taking my head away from camera to look at a LCD is plainly not on
when using tele-adaptors hand held [950mm equivalent] to know that
the subject is in frame properly.
NO., but they have an optical VF that shows real detail without weird time lags or the need to squint. I consider the FZ30 EVF to be one of the better EVF's but it is pretty weak compared to my DSLR's VF. I also find that the AF in my DSLR to be much faster and much more accurate and reliable. That's probably one reason why it costs a bit more.
They have a few advantages to be used when required but I prefer
the FZ30 for most situations since I'm fortunate to have both.
Good to have both, agreed.
I'd like a large sensor pro-sumer, 4/3 would probably do, then the
DSLR would hardly get used at all except for extreme macro with
it's bellows attachment etc.
Minolta had one camera with an EVF close to 1MP (I think it was an A2 or something), that was sweet but it was still too slow responding. Panning in an EVF is not a fun experience.

In any case it's good to be able to get what pleases you. Ultimately it's yours to use and if possible to enjoy.
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Stan ;o()



Life is the arch enemy of sleep
Photo's are a record of life
I need a record 'cause I tend to forget.
 

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