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I've been playing with it this morning. Nice interface, enough controls and features, but it's slow and enabling the features there's a lag. Maybe they can team up with RML and finally come out with a product that we can all use. Unfortunately, all my tests thus far point to RML still being the champ. His noise reduction system can't compete with MSU. Both suffer from WB issues.

I'm leaning towards Bibble right now but I'm waiting for the tethering to be fixed before I plunk my money down. The only thing Bibbles suffers from is it does not have an edge sharpenig routine. It's sharpening routine causes artifacting. For everyday 8x10's so far it looks like the complete solution. I don't want to sound like an advertisement, but I've tried the all and it seems to be the best compremise.

I wish RML would either release the next version or tell us see you later.

Anyways, it's interesting to realize that the camera can only do so much and that other factors can help or hinder.

Paul
 
DMillier said:
Cheers!

Not for me I think. Each of my shots gets a dedicated 2 minutes of
attention! Couldn't be doing with that mass production stuff...
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Well .... I wouldn't want to go down on record in saying that some of our shoots also only get 2 min of dedicated attention, however if you have a 1000 image shoot .... that's still what ... er .. 33 odd hours of processing.

Hmmm... so now I think about it .... 2 min is probably a gross overestimation. 20 sec more like ... but then I'd never go down on record saying anything of the sort :-)

Joking aside though, its as I said in an earlier reply, I can see some people not needing a lot of the batch features of RSP, but many photographers do as so much of life is all about getting the workflow down to an art so one can manage all these files, and the sorting and renaming is where RSP is just great.

That said, after using it a lot, I'd pay for the P version just for the straighten/crop tool (I am Mr wonky horizon) and the curves/vibrance facility.

I have to just add though that RSP isn't perfect in the image quality stakes. I've got this feeling it might have been designed around using Canon sensors with very smooth output as I find the image can break up quite nastily with the filmy grain of the Oly Kodak sensors if you're not careful.
 
2000 image shoot...ha, ha!

I have shot about 2500 pictures in total with my kodak in 2 1/2 years! Which is abour 1500 more than I ever did with medium and large format...

It always amazes me when you read in these forums that someone has worn out a shutter in 3 months! I only have room for half a dozen prints in my home.

I do manage rather more with my 350D and D100 because they are more general purpose. The 5D and 14n are reserved purely for landscape and who shoots more than a dozen landscapes at a time. If it was good enough for Ansel...
Big Ga said:
DMillier said:
Cheers!

Not for me I think. Each of my shots gets a dedicated 2 minutes of
attention! Couldn't be doing with that mass production stuff...
Click to expand...
Well .... I wouldn't want to go down on record in saying that some
of our shoots also only get 2 min of dedicated attention, however
if you have a 1000 image shoot .... that's still what ... er .. 33
odd hours of processing.

Hmmm... so now I think about it .... 2 min is probably a gross
overestimation. 20 sec more like ... but then I'd never go down on
record saying anything of the sort :-)

Joking aside though, its as I said in an earlier reply, I can see
some people not needing a lot of the batch features of RSP, but
many photographers do as so much of life is all about getting the
workflow down to an art so one can manage all these files, and the
sorting and renaming is where RSP is just great.
That said, after using it a lot, I'd pay for the P version just for
the straighten/crop tool (I am Mr wonky horizon) and the
curves/vibrance facility.

I have to just add though that RSP isn't perfect in the image
quality stakes. I've got this feeling it might have been designed
around using Canon sensors with very smooth output as I find the
image can break up quite nastily with the filmy grain of the Oly
Kodak sensors if you're not careful.
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DMillier said:
I have shot about 2500 pictures in total with my kodak in 2 1/2
years! Which is abour 1500 more than I ever did with medium and
large format...

If it was
good enough for Ansel...
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I suspect that ir Mr Adams were a pro photographer trying to make a living today entirely from his work, he'd have starved to death long before he managed to get ONE of his great works recognised.
I'm not saying thats good, in fact, its a sad state of affairs and I really

don't like the way things are going in some areas such as 1-2K photos being the accepted norm for high end wedding shoots. Trouble is, if you can't beat 'em .....

Anyway. I'm a happy bunny because I've downloaded the brand spanky new Lightroom beta for windows that's JUST been released. I'll be putting it on later on in the day once I've done the 'day job' stuff.

I've got the standalone version, but I'm having trouble downloading the full version with all the sample files. I thought I'd better get that as I don't have any quality images of my own to work with ;-)

Happy days!
G.
 
Interesting comment about wedding photography expectations.

When my youngest sister go married a few years ago, she didn't have a lot of cash so she used a local wedding photographer's economy package.

They charged £50 for turning up, then nothing else other than for any prints you ordered.

One photographer, a Hassie and a tripod arrived, took some shots as the bride arrived, as the (civil) ceremony progressed, then in the garden afterwards. He was there for about 30 minutes. I stood next to him with my E10, left when he did, went home processed and printed my shots and handed them to my sister at the meal an hour later.

I still don't know whether the photographer got any print orders...
Big Ga said:
DMillier said:
I have shot about 2500 pictures in total with my kodak in 2 1/2
years! Which is abour 1500 more than I ever did with medium and
large format...

If it was
good enough for Ansel...
Click to expand...
I suspect that ir Mr Adams were a pro photographer trying to make a
living today entirely from his work, he'd have starved to death
long before he managed to get ONE of his great works recognised.
I'm not saying thats good, in fact, its a sad state of affairs and
I really
don't like the way things are going in some areas such as 1-2K
photos being the accepted norm for high end wedding shoots. Trouble
is, if you can't beat 'em .....

Anyway. I'm a happy bunny because I've downloaded the brand spanky
new Lightroom beta for windows that's JUST been released. I'll be
putting it on later on in the day once I've done the 'day job'
stuff.
I've got the standalone version, but I'm having trouble downloading
the full version with all the sample files. I thought I'd better
get that as I don't have any quality images of my own to work with
;-)

Happy days!
G.
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Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm
 
DMillier said:
When my youngest sister go married a few years ago, she didn't have
a lot of cash so she used a local wedding photographer's economy
package.
They charged £50 for turning up, then nothing else other than for
any prints you ordered.
One photographer, a Hassie and a tripod arrived, took some shots as
the bride arrived, as the (civil) ceremony progressed, then in the
garden afterwards. He was there for about 30 minutes. I stood next
to him with my E10, left when he did, went home processed and
printed my shots and handed them to my sister at the meal an hour
later.
I still don't know whether the photographer got any print orders...
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Hmmm...... a few years ago, the mother in law who was widowed for some time remarried. They had a very good deal from an old time photographer who indeed also turned up with a Hassy. Being part of the main family group, we went along to a lovely park for the photos. Funnily enough I also took my E10 and I also took pretty much the same shots that the photographer did at this point. However I made a point of NOT giving out any prints until AFTER they had seen his proofs and had ordered their album and prints. I felt it was the only fair and decent thing to do.

THEN we provided a complimentary set of images which were a bonus and didn't deprive the guy of his living. As far as I'm concerned, any shots that he set up were his. I understand that a lot of people don't think this way. I'd have thought that most photographers would have though.
 
With great anticipation and fanfare, I finally downloaded and installed the Beta version of Lightroom. I'm glad to report that if you like ACR, you'll love LR, but like me if you are not always happy with ACR, then you wil be disapointed with LR. They have seemed to focus on digital management and not core tools such as Noise Reduction and sharpening. Unforunately it's a repackaged version of Bridge and ACR in a bling bling package. Sizzle without the steak. For Kodak users, NR is the most important issue when shooting at high ISO. As my camera is producing wonderful results, I don't need egromnoic, and feel and weight and that intangiable BS everyone talks about. Am I disapointed? Does it show? For those who place great emphasis on the points I have discounted, I apologize. After carrying a Bronica SQAi for 16 years, egronomics were never a consideration, so I have quickly adapted to the SLRn and I have found none of the issues most people have found.

What LR needs is a sophificated NR system like NN or NI and a sharpenig system that can effectively do edge sharpening.

Bling, Bling! That's all it is. For now, I'm going back and reconsidering Bibble again.

Sorry for the rank.

Paul
 
We weren't in competition and for £50 he wasn't putting a lot of effort in!

It was different at a friend's wedding - they got married at a large, well known country hotel in Surrey and hired a photographer who took it all very seriously. He managed a huge group of people with some energy and enthusiasm and no little skill, generating a wide range of shots. Spent a long time doing it too.

I've no idea how much he charged but he clearly knew his stuff and earned his crust.
Big Ga said:
DMillier said:
When my youngest sister go married a few years ago, she didn't have
a lot of cash so she used a local wedding photographer's economy
package.
They charged £50 for turning up, then nothing else other than for
any prints you ordered.
One photographer, a Hassie and a tripod arrived, took some shots as
the bride arrived, as the (civil) ceremony progressed, then in the
garden afterwards. He was there for about 30 minutes. I stood next
to him with my E10, left when he did, went home processed and
printed my shots and handed them to my sister at the meal an hour
later.
I still don't know whether the photographer got any print orders...
Click to expand...
Hmmm...... a few years ago, the mother in law who was widowed for
some time remarried. They had a very good deal from an old time
photographer who indeed also turned up with a Hassy. Being part of
the main family group, we went along to a lovely park for the
photos. Funnily enough I also took my E10 and I also took pretty
much the same shots that the photographer did at this point.
However I made a point of NOT giving out any prints until AFTER
they had seen his proofs and had ordered their album and prints. I
felt it was the only fair and decent thing to do.
THEN we provided a complimentary set of images which were a bonus
and didn't deprive the guy of his living. As far as I'm concerned,
any shots that he set up were his. I understand that a lot of
people don't think this way. I'd have thought that most
photographers would have though.
Click to expand...
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Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm
 
From what I could see from the tutorials, Lightroom is a combination of ACR and a digital asset management package. Sounds like that's what you got.

I'll have a look when I get home in a couple of hours.

Tell you what I'd like in a cataloguing program...version control - as in I catalogue a raw file and it figures out when I generate tiffs or jpegs from it and keeps track of them as one picture so I don't have 25 versions of the same shot in my catalogue.
Paul Spatafora said:
With great anticipation and fanfare, I finally downloaded and
installed the Beta version of Lightroom. I'm glad to report that if
you like ACR, you'll love LR, but like me if you are not always
happy with ACR, then you wil be disapointed with LR. They have
seemed to focus on digital management and not core tools such as
Noise Reduction and sharpening. Unforunately it's a repackaged
version of Bridge and ACR in a bling bling package. Sizzle without
the steak. For Kodak users, NR is the most important issue when
shooting at high ISO. As my camera is producing wonderful results,
I don't need egromnoic, and feel and weight and that intangiable BS
everyone talks about. Am I disapointed? Does it show? For those who
place great emphasis on the points I have discounted, I apologize.
After carrying a Bronica SQAi for 16 years, egronomics were never a
consideration, so I have quickly adapted to the SLRn and I have
found none of the issues most people have found.

What LR needs is a sophificated NR system like NN or NI and a
sharpenig system that can effectively do edge sharpening.

Bling, Bling! That's all it is. For now, I'm going back and
reconsidering Bibble again.

Sorry for the rank.

Paul
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Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm
 
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