PismoBeach
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CS3 is scheduled for late Spring. Adobe will most likely have a D2Xs answer before that. Probably the same time in a few months after the new Photokina SLR are announced.
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sfisher
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because they basically forced an upgrade to CS2 for the D2X.
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PismoBeach
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I know all about the CS1 to CS2 trick Adobe has pulled but it is too far off. Now if today was January 1 2007 I would suspect they try this stunt again.
Cultured Vulture
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No, I don't need to ask him. Adam is not in that category. What I said was that his response was muted from some of his past posts. I didn't find his post to be negative. Why did you single him out from much more virulent replies? Why do you feel the need to defend Nikon anyway. I like Nikon as much as the next guy. Been a loyal user since the late 70's. However, when they screw up big time, they need to be called out for it. Just like Canon was when they had the image loss problem with some CF cards. These companies are not our family, they just make products we pay a lot of money for. If anything they owe us loyalty. Like maybe...a frequent buyer program with discounts. I now have well over $10K tied up in Nikon gear. With plans to buy more. I know I am not in the league with some people, but $10K is a lot of money to me.
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Chris Dubea
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The problem is there is a software package that is provided for free with all Nikon Cameras, which is Picture Perfect. I would be willing to bet that the development costs of PP are of a similar nature to those of Nikon Capture. I for one would rather have gotten NC with both my D70 and D200 than PP, but I didn't get to make that choice.Yes, you are wrong
While of course it's true that the "final" net of any company
comprises the combined results of all the various divisions,
product lines, etc., most companies nowadays are required to keep
their costs fairly well aligned within their various product lines.
That is to say, software development costs are not amortized
against hardware profits and so on. Thus, if Nikon does not
include a certain piece of software with their camera, it's pretty
likely that the cost of that software is NOT being underwritten in
the cost of the camera. Likewise, if Canon (or any other
manufacturer) DOES include certain software, etc., with the
package, you can be sure you are paying for that bundled software
in your purchase price - it is NOT being included for "free".
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Some "marketing analyst" made the decision for me, and thus I get to pay an additional $100 for software that should have accompanied both cameras.
Unfortunately, it's not just simple economics. When "marketing analysts" make decisions they are seldom driven by anything approaching reality or common sense.
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Adam Kmiec
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I'm over 18K now 
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Cultured Vulture
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Then you must have a lot you don't list. Then again, so do I. As far as I am concerned, this type of investment gives us the right to complain. As long as we keep it civil. Cheers!I'm over 18K now
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Stephen Usher
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They will have to purchase Capture NX.
peripheralfocus
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The blind, willful irrationality on this issue mystifies me. I guess it's because software doesn't seem like a real object and people can't believe it costs money to produce.
Maybe if software were tangible, like a lens, people would get this. You can buy a D70 body only, or in a kit with a lens. When the lens is bundled with the camera, the price is higher. Everybody seems to understand this. You can't take a picture with a D70 without a lens, so you could argue that a lens should be included with the camera. But Nikon recognizes that you might want to choose a different lens than the one they bundle with the kit, so they give you the option of buying the body only without the cost of a lens bundled in.
This was not always the case. In the 1970s many SLRs could only be bought in a bundle with a 50mm lens. It's easy for people who don't want the 50mm lens to see that bundling in this way was not to their advantage.
But with software, all the sudden "it should've been included with the camera". I guess people don't believe that Nikon has to charge for Capture, one way or the other. But the people who write, market, distribute, and sell Capture actually expect to be paid for their labor, and they think having health insurance and 401K plans is a nice thing, and they need computers to do their work, and electricity to run them, and office supplies, and on and on.
PictureProject is not free. It is bundled. You pay for it and the camera (and everything else in the box) in one bundled price. If they added Capture to the bundle, they would have to increase the bundled price, or accept a lower profit margin, one or the other. Guess which one they would do.
This begs the question. That's the issue -- should a company bundle its advanced software with its cameras, forcing everyone to pay for it whether they want it or not, or should they offer it separately and fund its development directly by charging only those people who want it.
Maybe if software were tangible, like a lens, people would get this. You can buy a D70 body only, or in a kit with a lens. When the lens is bundled with the camera, the price is higher. Everybody seems to understand this. You can't take a picture with a D70 without a lens, so you could argue that a lens should be included with the camera. But Nikon recognizes that you might want to choose a different lens than the one they bundle with the kit, so they give you the option of buying the body only without the cost of a lens bundled in.
This was not always the case. In the 1970s many SLRs could only be bought in a bundle with a 50mm lens. It's easy for people who don't want the 50mm lens to see that bundling in this way was not to their advantage.
But with software, all the sudden "it should've been included with the camera". I guess people don't believe that Nikon has to charge for Capture, one way or the other. But the people who write, market, distribute, and sell Capture actually expect to be paid for their labor, and they think having health insurance and 401K plans is a nice thing, and they need computers to do their work, and electricity to run them, and office supplies, and on and on.
PismoBeach
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Darned of you do and darned if you don't Adam. He has it in for you so bad and for anyone with a slight hint of displeasure in Nikon that he needs to knock people down a peg. He went through my post history without bothering to see I like my D200 and the 60mm micro I love to use. He went straight for the other platform as a basis for trying to silence me and embarrass me. There's nothing wrong with being a demanding Nikon user, nothing. Nikon has a long heritage of demanding users, any less is unacceptable.
Adam Kmiec
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JR
I should have clarified. I'm talking total investment. So I look at my F5, D100, N90s, etc. that I sold.
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I should have clarified. I'm talking total investment. So I look at my F5, D100, N90s, etc. that I sold.
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Cultured Vulture
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Well if we get to count sold items, your investment is peanuts. LOL
Since I started buying Nikon gear in the late 70's I've gone through more of their equipment than I care to remember. Including a new F2 and F4S. I recently reacquired the F4S and intend to collect all of the F pro bodies. When I think of the manual focus AI and AIS lenses I have sold and regretted I doubt my sanity. At any rate, I don't think anyone could call either of us anti-Nikon. --
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Adam Kmiec
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but they'd be wrong.
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I hardly consider them not including Capture with new cameras the equivlent of a auto manufacturer not including a transmission with a car. maybe if Nikon had forgotten to install the compact flash slot on the D2Xs i could see that logic.
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blinky led
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I've been wondering about this too. Sounds like NX is a totally new platform and there's nothing compatible with the old NC4. So D2Xs and beyond will only be supported by NX and not by NC4? Is this correct?
Anthony Medici
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No camera beyond that which is already supported will be supported by NC4.
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