DigiPower Accessories

Dave,

My impression from when I didn't do that is that it won't use the external source while the batteries are in the camera.
Marty
I've just made a battery holder that attatches to the camera itself
instead of being remote.It will hold 6 NiMH 1.2V 1600MaH which
gives 7.2V.From going through the other related posts I gather the
D7 can handle this ok.What I'd like to know is,should the "in
Camera" batteries be removed before plugging into a different power
source? Any other advice before I hit the start button would be
appreciated..

Tia..............Dave L.
 
I'm afraid that, being a non-technical person, I would not have the faintest idea as to how to measure the battery life of the EBP-100. The cost was high, about USD200+, unfortunately I only have the total cost and not a breakdown of each item. This is my first digital camera so I bought the D7, a 1GB Microdrive, the Minolta battery pack, a Fujitsu IEEE1394 card reader, filters and lens pen.

I have taken the camera kit on two trips, one a holiday on which I took almost 300 photos over 3 days and the battery pack appeared to have plenty of life at the end of each day. I'm sorry I can't be more precise.

George
Chris,
I have the Minolta EBP-100 power pack and I am very happy with it.
It consists of two lithium-ion NP-100 batteries, each 1600MA plus
an AC charger. The power cable connector to the camera fits well
and gives me no problems although I have bumped or tugged it often.

George
--
Regards,
RS Blum

Redesigned! DiMage 7 links, pictures, open letter to Minolta, and
tips at http://www.luiswatkins.com/homepages/dimage7/
 
Marty, David,

I just use my ohm meter and to measured the resistance in the D7 battery compartment with and without a power plug inserted. With the camera off and the batteries out of the D7, I got a resistance measurement but when I insterted the power plug, I got infinite resistance. I looked into the socket where the power plug goes and saw a little plastic switch on the right side of the center prong. I believe this switch turns off the internal batteries when the power plug is inserted.

You can do an experiment. Plug in your external power supply but take the batteries out. Turn on the camera and see if there still works. Mine doesn't power up at all. Can we draw the conclusion that the internal batteries are cut off once the power plug is inserted? I believe so unless other wiser or more insightful persons can tell us otherwise?
Tony
I've just made a battery holder that attatches to the camera itself
instead of being remote.It will hold 6 NiMH 1.2V 1600MaH which
gives 7.2V.From going through the other related posts I gather the
D7 can handle this ok.What I'd like to know is,should the "in
Camera" batteries be removed before plugging into a different power
source? Any other advice before I hit the start button would be
appreciated..

Tia..............Dave L.
--Tony
 
Tony,

Exactly. I plugged my old Quantum Battery 1 in to test it and realized I still had the batteries in and that might not be a valid test. The camera came up with a little less than full power which made be suspicious. So, I took them out and got the low battery indicator. I had charged the Quantum for only 8-hours more than a day ago and apparently it fell below the level required by the camera.
Marty
You can do an experiment. Plug in your external power supply but
take the batteries out. Turn on the camera and see if there still
works. Mine doesn't power up at all. Can we draw the conclusion
that the internal batteries are cut off once the power plug is
inserted? I believe so unless other wiser or more insightful
persons can tell us otherwise?
Tony
I've just made a battery holder that attatches to the camera itself
instead of being remote.It will hold 6 NiMH 1.2V 1600MaH which
gives 7.2V.From going through the other related posts I gather the
D7 can handle this ok.What I'd like to know is,should the "in
Camera" batteries be removed before plugging into a different power
source? Any other advice before I hit the start button would be
appreciated..

Tia..............Dave L.
--
Tony
 
You can do an experiment. Plug in your external power supply but
take the batteries out. Turn on the camera and see if there still
works.
Gee that's a simple and obvious test, thanks.

Dave L
David,

I'm really excited to hear about the results with your six cell pack. If I'm right about the underutilization of four cells due to the low voltage shut off point of the D7 then a fifth cell should provide much more then a 25% increase in capacity. Reports from some users with five cell packs seem to support that. But adding a sixth may only increase capacity by about 20 % relative to five because the trip point issue is out of the way when a fifth cell is added.

There may be one possible negative consequence of going to the sixth cell in series - you may not get adequate warning of when the pack voltage is going to crash below a usable point. To expand on that, consider the low voltage shut down point as some fixed number. With four cells in series you fall below that number on the more horizontal portion of the terminal voltage vs. capacity curve - before the battery is empty. When you add a cell in series, the effect is to push the point at which the camera reaches the low voltage trip point out closer to the knee (the point where the battery is nearly empty and voltage starts dropping faster) of the battery terminal voltage vs. capacity curve. Its possible that adding a sixth cell may put the low voltage cut out point beyond the knee of the curve to a point where the voltage is falling much faster when low voltage cut off is reached.

Minolta has claimed that they picked the low voltage trip point so there would be minimal risk of loosing a file (due to low voltage shut down) during a file write to the CF or microdrive. My one concern about the extra cell is the possibility that you might be more likely to loose a file - especially a TIFF or RAW that takes longer to write if initiating write while your six cell pack is beyond the knee in the region where the voltage is falling much faster. The battery gauge on top of the camera may not be much warning of this as it may show battery capacity remaining when you are in this knee region. I don’t think the monitor is a continuous indication of capacity remaining but just a three step indicator. If that is the case it may supply little or no advanced warning.

The other issue is to make sure you fully charge the pack (to get the most meaningful comparison and best operating times). Fully charged, with the charger attached, you will see 1.5 volts per cell or nine volts for your six cell pack. Make sure you use a charger that has a terminal voltage of at least nine volts no load and monitor the terminal voltage to make sure (and find out how much time it takes) you reach full charge. If you remove the cells from the pack and charge them individually - not in series but in a commercial charger - your charger should do that for you.

Looking forward to your results.

Pete
 
Pete,

Good thoughts on number of cells to use because of voltage drop needed to trip low power signal in D7.
David,

Could you please post or email me photo of your on (under?) camera external battery pack? I am also thinking of making one but only using 5 3000 mAh C cells.
Thanks,

--Tony
 
Ah, somebody who went the "standard" route, finally. How would you
rate the battery life of the pack? Have you measured it. About
how much did it cost?
I decided against buying the offical Minolta Battery pack as its hugly overpriced.

I bought a standard small 6v @ 4AH Lead acid gel battery from Maplins and a recharger.
Maplin also sells a 2 meter power cord which fits my D7 perfectly.

The battery lasts for days.

Total cost
:-)
--Minolta Dimage 7 Owner
 
Hi,
Where did you buy 1800mah NiMH Monster batteries?
How much did they cost you in USD?

Do you think Rayovac PS4 charges those batteries nicely and safely, for the charger and the batteries?

Thanks for your help.
Pete,
Yesterday I picked up the Dps-8000 from Ritz and charged it for
8-hrs as the instructions specify. I also bought the Rayovac
1-hour charger from Best Buy and charged 4 Monster 1800mah NIMH
batteries for 1-hour. This evening I got about 30 shots from the
Dps-8000 and over 100 from the Monster's before I got tired pushing
the release button. Power level was still on full. This was
shooting one after the other. No flash. I am going to try the
Digipower charged for 12+ hours tomorrow. The Digipower charges
itself by connecting to its own power supply.
Incidently, I never got more than 30 shots from 4+ hours charging
with the Monster charger or 16+ from the Quest. I don't what the
breakin there might me for the Dps-8000, if any.
Marty
Pete wrote:
 
Mid,

I got them from CompUSA. I forget how much. The Rayovac 1-hour is what I use. Seems to do a good job.
MartyB
Thanks for your help.
Pete,
Yesterday I picked up the Dps-8000 from Ritz and charged it for
8-hrs as the instructions specify. I also bought the Rayovac
1-hour charger from Best Buy and charged 4 Monster 1800mah NIMH
batteries for 1-hour. This evening I got about 30 shots from the
Dps-8000 and over 100 from the Monster's before I got tired pushing
the release button. Power level was still on full. This was
shooting one after the other. No flash. I am going to try the
Digipower charged for 12+ hours tomorrow. The Digipower charges
itself by connecting to its own power supply.
Incidently, I never got more than 30 shots from 4+ hours charging
with the Monster charger or 16+ from the Quest. I don't what the
breakin there might me for the Dps-8000, if any.
Marty
Pete wrote:
 
Thanks MaryB for your prompt reply.

I just called Circuit City to try my luck. They got them. But a pack of 4 1800amh sold for almost 20USD. Do you think spending 20USD would be too much for a 4 pack of 1800mah batteries on average? So far I have Rayovac's 1600mah batteries which I think are cheap.
Thanks again.

Mid
Thanks for your help.
Pete,
Yesterday I picked up the Dps-8000 from Ritz and charged it for
8-hrs as the instructions specify. I also bought the Rayovac
1-hour charger from Best Buy and charged 4 Monster 1800mah NIMH
batteries for 1-hour. This evening I got about 30 shots from the
Dps-8000 and over 100 from the Monster's before I got tired pushing
the release button. Power level was still on full. This was
shooting one after the other. No flash. I am going to try the
Digipower charged for 12+ hours tomorrow. The Digipower charges
itself by connecting to its own power supply.
Incidently, I never got more than 30 shots from 4+ hours charging
with the Monster charger or 16+ from the Quest. I don't what the
breakin there might me for the Dps-8000, if any.
Marty
Pete wrote:
 
I have read of a few people having the same problem. I've had 2 different D7 cameras. With the first one, the cable's adapter plug that was supplied with the MAHA Lithium Powerex Battery pack did often fall out of the camera port. However, with the second D7, the adaptor plug seems to have a tighter fit, and I have not been having that problem anymore. I can't explain why the second camera has a tighter fit with the cable's adapter. Barry
As for power packs, I have a PowerEx, and it has the same problem
with the chord slipping out. You can put batteries in the camera,
btw, at the same time. After stuggling with having a cord on my
camera, a Di7, I paid the extra cash and bought 1800mAh batteries
(GP1800s from http://www.greenbatteries.com is what I use). They last
significantly longer than the 1600s, and are easier to handle than
a power pack. (I do use the power pack when I am doing tripod
work, though.)
I bought a DImage 5 and some DigiPower accessories last week. I
bought the DPS 8000 battery pack with the Minolta cable and the
DigiPower AC adapter for Minolta cameras. However, I've had a
couple problems. On both items, if the power connector going into
the camera is pulled or bumped slightly - the camera powers off.
This has happened multiple times while saving images. Also, the
battery pack is only lasting me about 30 minutes - about 20-30
shots (with just the LCD - but using the flash).

In reviewing the web just now, I see that the Minolta versions of
these DigiPower accessories actually say DIMAGE V - not DIMAGE 5. I
interpreted DIMAGE V to mean DIMAGE 5. However, it seems that
there's a much older camera from Minolta called the DIMAGE V. So,
my question is - are the accessories supposed to with the DIMAGE 5
or not? (I did find some websites that said they would.) Has anyone
else experienced these issues?

Thanks,
-Chris
--
Regards,
RS Blum

Redesigned! DiMage 7 links, pictures, open letter to Minolta, and
tips at http://www.luiswatkins.com/homepages/dimage7/
 
Mid,

Someone in another thread mentioned http://www.thomas-distributing.com has Nexell 1800's, 4 for $12.97 (~$3.25/battery).
Marty
Mid
Thanks for your help.
Pete,
Yesterday I picked up the Dps-8000 from Ritz and charged it for
8-hrs as the instructions specify. I also bought the Rayovac
1-hour charger from Best Buy and charged 4 Monster 1800mah NIMH
batteries for 1-hour. This evening I got about 30 shots from the
Dps-8000 and over 100 from the Monster's before I got tired pushing
the release button. Power level was still on full. This was
shooting one after the other. No flash. I am going to try the
Digipower charged for 12+ hours tomorrow. The Digipower charges
itself by connecting to its own power supply.
Incidently, I never got more than 30 shots from 4+ hours charging
with the Monster charger or 16+ from the Quest. I don't what the
breakin there might me for the Dps-8000, if any.
Marty
Pete wrote:
 
For those curious about the Digipower external battery packs, I now have 2 of them and they will last longer than 2 or even 3 sets of 1800 batteries.

However, like many of the 1800 "AA" battries, when thay are new, you need to cycle them a few times to build up the duration of them. I have use one pack for more than a week, without recharging it.

Hope this infromation helps.

Glade to help,
Knight
Pete,
Yesterday I picked up the Dps-8000 from Ritz and charged it for
8-hrs as the instructions specify. I also bought the Rayovac
1-hour charger from Best Buy and charged 4 Monster 1800mah NIMH
batteries for 1-hour. This evening I got about 30 shots from the
Dps-8000 and over 100 from the Monster's before I got tired pushing
the release button. Power level was still on full. This was
shooting one after the other. No flash. I am going to try the
Digipower charged for 12+ hours tomorrow. The Digipower charges
itself by connecting to its own power supply.
Incidently, I never got more than 30 shots from 4+ hours charging
with the Monster charger or 16+ from the Quest. I don't what the
breakin there might me for the Dps-8000, if any.
Marty
Hi Marty,

Your not the first person to post these results. It makes me think
that maybe the DPS-8000 is not what it's claimed to be - five NiMH
2700 ma-H cells in series. The only thing I found on them so far
was some add copy that was pasted on e-bay - and the following from
some store copy:

Features & Specifications
( http://www.d-store.com/d-store/DigiPower/index.htm ):

Designed to work with most popular Digital Cameras when used with
the correct camera connector cable. (connector sold seperatley)
Powerful 6 volt nickel metal hydride battery pack - Designed with
five 5/4 "AA" Size - 2700 mAH Batteries..
Memory Free - Capable of providing power for over 1200 pictures in
most cameras.
Lightweight - 5.5 oz. - Ergonomically designed. - Size : 2"w x 3"h
x 3/4"d (with Carrying Case)
Built -In over-Charge Protection
Comes with 8-12 Hour AC Charger-, Genuine Leather Case, and a 360
degree Secured Swivel Belt Clip.
Complete pack is also small enough to fit in your shirt pocket

DPS 8000 $39.95
Cable Connector $9.95

---

First problem I see is that even 7/5 AA Gold Peak High Capacity
Series* NiMH cells are not 2700 ma-H - they are more like 1900
ma-H. The second is that they recommend an 8-12 hour charge. But
these should still do a lot better then the four 1800 ma-H cells
you can put into the camera - when used under the same conditions.
My guess is that there are two possibilities: The cells may need
conditioning, and the charger may be a little on the cheap in terms
of capacity. Here's the scoop on voltage. With the charger
connected and the cells fully charged, you should be seeing about
1.5 volts per cell or 7.5 volts at the pack terminals. When you
disconnect the charger, the pack terminal voltage should decline to
the vicinity of 1.4 volts per cell or about 7 volts after ten
minutes to a half hour. At the beginning of use with the D7 after
about 20 minutes, with the LCD off - EVF on, the per cell voltage
will be about 1.3 volts or 6.5 volts across the pack. The voltage
will steadily decline with use and the cells will be near the end
of charge at about 1.1 volts per cell or 5.5 volts for the pack. At
1 volt per cell, things are crashing fast. All below the 1.4 volts
per cell are with the pack loaded by the camera - not sure if there
is a way to read this with the pack plugged in to the camera.

Bottom line is that, by the numbers and considering the higher
voltage from the fifth cell and assuming working cells and charger
and conditioned cells, you should be seeing significantly better
results then with four internal 1800 ma-H NiMH cells - under the
same kind of operating conditions.

Pete
*
http://www.gpbatteries.com.hk/industrial/NiMH/CY9VPR/Cylindrical/CYTeData.asp
 
Knight,

Where can I get the Digipower pack?
What is the model number?
How much did it cost you?
Does the connector fit snugly into your D7 back?
Thanks.
For those curious about the Digipower external battery packs, I now
have 2 of them and they will last longer than 2 or even 3 sets of
1800 batteries.

However, like many of the 1800 "AA" battries, when thay are new,
you need to cycle them a few times to build up the duration of
them. I have use one pack for more than a week, without recharging
it.

Hope this infromation helps.

Glade to help,
Knight

Pete wrote:
 
I purchased the first one from Fry's Electronics, and the other from Wolf Camera I believe. The model number on one package said 8000, and the other said 8200. I can't see any differnce in either of them, they both have the same specs Both have 5 cell 2700 Ma battery packs (similar to the one's used in Radio Control plans and Cars).

It cost me $49 and came with a charger and a cable that has two ends (one fits the D7, and the other happens to fit a Casio Digital camera I also have).

The one's that I have fit snug enough for me, I have not had a problem with it suddenly coming out. If the fit is not enough for you, others in this forum have found a plug from Radio Shack that is a very snug fit. You could always replace the end (cost less than a $1 I believe).

Hope this helps,
Knight
Where can I get the Digipower pack?
What is the model number?
How much did it cost you?
Does the connector fit snugly into your D7 back?
Thanks.
For those curious about the Digipower external battery packs, I now
have 2 of them and they will last longer than 2 or even 3 sets of
1800 batteries.

However, like many of the 1800 "AA" battries, when thay are new,
you need to cycle them a few times to build up the duration of
them. I have use one pack for more than a week, without recharging
it.

Hope this infromation helps.

Glade to help,
Knight

Pete wrote:
 
Knight,

Thanks a lot for your reply. I appreciate it. I'll look around for it and also for the RadioShack connector if I need it.
Enjoy shooting.

Mid.
It cost me $49 and came with a charger and a cable that has two
ends (one fits the D7, and the other happens to fit a Casio Digital
camera I also have).

The one's that I have fit snug enough for me, I have not had a
problem with it suddenly coming out. If the fit is not enough for
you, others in this forum have found a plug from Radio Shack that
is a very snug fit. You could always replace the end (cost less
than a $1 I believe).

Hope this helps,
Knight
Where can I get the Digipower pack?
What is the model number?
How much did it cost you?
Does the connector fit snugly into your D7 back?
Thanks.
For those curious about the Digipower external battery packs, I now
have 2 of them and they will last longer than 2 or even 3 sets of
1800 batteries.

However, like many of the 1800 "AA" battries, when thay are new,
you need to cycle them a few times to build up the duration of
them. I have use one pack for more than a week, without recharging
it.

Hope this infromation helps.

Glade to help,
Knight
 

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