TIFF SHQ HQ Compared

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Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress" the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq. Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



I tried to make these images larger, but failed. Zooming them to 200% will help.

Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!--Russell
 
Thanks so much for your research. I have wondered about comparing the different settings to see if there really is a difference. However, it seems to me that the real way to tell the difference would be to have the pictures developed. Undoubtedly, the HQ setting would be more than adequate for anything you would see on the monitor. The difference would be in the detail you would see if they were developed. Do you have any plans to develop your three shots? I had thought about doing that, but was trying to think of a shot with enough detail to really do a valid comparison.
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



I tried to make these images larger, but failed. Zooming them to
200% will help.

Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 
Good test Russell. Looks like what it tells me is that as soon as I unpack my new RS, should be here on Wednesday, set it to SHQ and forget about it. I may just try to print a couple in 8X10 to see if it really matters though. Thanks for the info.
 
Thanks for the info Russ. I always shoot at SHQ since I can get 134 shots on a 128MB CF card. That's plenty for most of my uses. I have been wondering though, if Tiff would make a big difference. I'm glad your findings prove contrary to that.

Maxven
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



I tried to make these images larger, but failed. Zooming them to
200% will help.

Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 
Thanks for your kind comments.

Someone asked about development. I don't understand the question.

The images are what you would see if you magnified a 1/2 x 1/2 inch region of a print of the original (out of the camera) 18.9 x 14.4 inch image. That image (for the E-100) would be 1360x1024 pixels, ie, 72 pixels per inch, so a 1/2 x 1/2 inch crop would be 36 x 36 pixels. Your printer's pixels probably wouldn't be little uniformly colored squares, but this representation gives you the color info that each printed pixel would have.

I finally succeeded in making the crops larger so the pixels are easier to see.

In the copy of previous message I changed the image reference so give a look below:
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 
Russ,

You performed a monochrom experiment (just green). I think the change (nonreversable) caused by the compression is more hurmful for a colored image where colors are not pure (prime).
Leo
Someone asked about development. I don't understand the question.
The images are what you would see if you magnified a 1/2 x 1/2 inch
region of a print of the original (out of the camera) 18.9 x 14.4
inch image. That image (for the E-100) would be 1360x1024 pixels,
ie, 72 pixels per inch, so a 1/2 x 1/2 inch crop would be 36 x 36
pixels. Your printer's pixels probably wouldn't be little uniformly
colored squares, but this representation gives you the color info
that each printed pixel would have.

I finally succeeded in making the crops larger so the pixels are
easier to see.
In the copy of previous message I changed the image reference so
give a look below:
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 
Well, Leo, it looks green, being a type of grass that stays green in Phx in Nov, but I just now used PhotoShop Elements to crop out the TIFF square (from the posted image containing all three crops) and then to look at the histograms for Red, Green, and Blue, with the following results:

Color Mean StdDev
Red 192 40.3
Green 138 45.0
Blue 73.7 41.0

The values are from the colors' 8 bit ranges of 0 to 255. So it was not actually a monochrome experiment. Actually, you can see some brown piixels in the TIFF crop, and, you're right, the main degradation in the HQ crop is in color "smearing". A single brown pixel surrounded by greenish neighbors really gets clobbered!

The compression for this detailed image isn't severe: For the whole scene images, the file sizes are 4.0 MB, 0.8 MB and 0.34 mb respectively.
Someone asked about development. I don't understand the question.
The images are what you would see if you magnified a 1/2 x 1/2 inch
region of a print of the original (out of the camera) 18.9 x 14.4
inch image. That image (for the E-100) would be 1360x1024 pixels,
ie, 72 pixels per inch, so a 1/2 x 1/2 inch crop would be 36 x 36
pixels. Your printer's pixels probably wouldn't be little uniformly
colored squares, but this representation gives you the color info
that each printed pixel would have.

I finally succeeded in making the crops larger so the pixels are
easier to see.
In the copy of previous message I changed the image reference so
give a look below:
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 
Thanks for posting this Russ!

Jason
Color Mean StdDev
Red 192 40.3
Green 138 45.0
Blue 73.7 41.0

The values are from the colors' 8 bit ranges of 0 to 255. So it
was not actually a monochrome experiment. Actually, you can see
some brown piixels in the TIFF crop, and, you're right, the main
degradation in the HQ crop is in color "smearing". A single brown
pixel surrounded by greenish neighbors really gets clobbered!

The compression for this detailed image isn't severe: For the
whole scene images, the file sizes are 4.0 MB, 0.8 MB and 0.34 mb
respectively.
Someone asked about development. I don't understand the question.
The images are what you would see if you magnified a 1/2 x 1/2 inch
region of a print of the original (out of the camera) 18.9 x 14.4
inch image. That image (for the E-100) would be 1360x1024 pixels,
ie, 72 pixels per inch, so a 1/2 x 1/2 inch crop would be 36 x 36
pixels. Your printer's pixels probably wouldn't be little uniformly
colored squares, but this representation gives you the color info
that each printed pixel would have.

I finally succeeded in making the crops larger so the pixels are
easier to see.
In the copy of previous message I changed the image reference so
give a look below:
Here are results of shooting the same "scene" with TIFF, SHQ, and
HQ quality with an E-100, all set for 1360x1024 pixels. I cropped
a 1/2 inch square at the center of the resultant 14.44 x 18.88 inch
images, and set the pixels per inch at 72 so the individual pixels
would be clearly visible

Here's the original scene, chosen for lots of detail to "stress"
the JPEG compression. All were shot at F 7, 1/200 sec, for
optically sharp images. Lens was set at wide angle, 38 mm eq.
Auto spot focus was used.



Here are the 1/2 x 1/2 inch crops.



Note that pixels are not lost in the jpeg compressions; instead
some of the pixels' colors are distorted a bit by mixing with
neighboring pixels. Note also that SHQ is very close to TIFF!
--
Russell
 

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