Playing w/ 30D spot meter vs. light meter; Picture Styles

...I checked the outer-edges of the dishes, and the 30D are pretty much blown, even at the same expo.

Were these shot under the same light conditions? Because if yes, the 30D lost at least 0.3-0.5EV to the 1D MKIIn.

Also, the texturized surface of the Kiwi, or the banana-elbow are coming out more detailed in the 1DMKIIn (once you sharpen, it shows up well).

Pretty interesting samples, indeed. The 30D looks pretty good, overall!
 
Hi Tony,

I normally shoot RAW + jpeg and most of the time I shoot portraiture. So I won't be using standard and landscape that much. For me getting the skin tones right is more critical thus shooting with RAW as well. For shooting portraiture with jpeg, I like Neutral or Faithful Plus 1 for tone to warm up the skin tones a bit.

For landscapes/macros I would likely shoot with either landscape or standard without any adjustments.

Best regards,

José
I found the standard mode ok however I have been using default user 1

sharpens +1
saturation +1
contrast +1
tone 0

which gives me nice colour aslo
neutral mode everything +1 exept tone at 0.
, if i push the saturation +2 the reds become redish purple.

which are your best setting

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Good luck with your decision, I've seen superb images from the 5D.

Cheers,

José
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G'day Jose. I looked at the 100% crops first and wondered about the difference in sharpness and whether the standard in-camera sharpening made a difference, which of course it can, but we can't tell just from looking at your sample images. Then I looked back up at your source images and. Although you tried to focus on the red apple both times, If you look at the detail on the back inside of the bowl and the cloth just behind the bowl, it's pretty clear that the 30D focus was somewhat further back than for the 1DIIN. That would tend to make the 100% crop from your 30D look so much softer than the one from your 1DIIN.

As for DR, the 30D certainly exposed slightly brighter, so for about the same amount of shadow detail, I guess it does seem to indicate that the 1DIIN can capture a bit more DR, at least when posting as sRGB JPEGs.

I've just started processing my RAW files using ProPhoto RGB if I might want to print. When I turn on the highlight and shadow indicators in ACR (CS2), the difference between the DR (brightness and colour) of sRGB and aRGB/ProPhotoRGB is quite obvious. ProPhoto RGB isn't that much wider than aRGB, but it is a bit wider nonetheless. I wonder whether shooting RAW and processing into a much wider colour space like ProPhotoRGB would be more revealing of the differences between the 1DIIN sensor and the 30D sensor.

Depending on the scene, I often want to sacrifice some shadow detail for increased contrast anyway. If I was using JPEGs straight out of the camera, then the 30D may even show slightly more contrast than the 1DIIN for the same settings, which might be desirable unless the DR of the scene is too high.

Thanks for the comparison. I think it shows that you can come close to safely using the same picture style settings on both cameras and getting a close enough result.

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Hi John,

You could be right. My main goal however is to find out how close the image quality of the 30D and 1DIIN using Picture Styles and IMHO they are.

Best regards,

José
G'day Jose. I looked at the 100% crops first and wondered about the
difference in sharpness and whether the standard in-camera
sharpening made a difference, which of course it can, but we can't
tell just from looking at your sample images. Then I looked back up
at your source images and. Although you tried to focus on the red
apple both times, If you look at the detail on the back inside of
the bowl and the cloth just behind the bowl, it's pretty clear that
the 30D focus was somewhat further back than for the 1DIIN. That
would tend to make the 100% crop from your 30D look so much softer
than the one from your 1DIIN.

As for DR, the 30D certainly exposed slightly brighter, so for
about the same amount of shadow detail, I guess it does seem to
indicate that the 1DIIN can capture a bit more DR, at least when
posting as sRGB JPEGs.

I've just started processing my RAW files using ProPhoto RGB if I
might want to print. When I turn on the highlight and shadow
indicators in ACR (CS2), the difference between the DR (brightness
and colour) of sRGB and aRGB/ProPhotoRGB is quite obvious. ProPhoto
RGB isn't that much wider than aRGB, but it is a bit wider
nonetheless. I wonder whether shooting RAW and processing into a
much wider colour space like ProPhotoRGB would be more revealing of
the differences between the 1DIIN sensor and the 30D sensor.

Depending on the scene, I often want to sacrifice some shadow
detail for increased contrast anyway. If I was using JPEGs straight
out of the camera, then the 30D may even show slightly more
contrast than the 1DIIN for the same settings, which might be
desirable unless the DR of the scene is too high.

Thanks for the comparison. I think it shows that you can come close
to safely using the same picture style settings on both cameras and
getting a close enough result.

--
Cheers from JDU from Adelaide, South Australia

Formerly Minolta A1, then KM Dynax 7D; more recently Fuji F10 and
Canon 20D
My galleries: http://pbase.com/john_down_under
DPR Macro Challenges: http://pbase.com/dprchallenges/macro_main
Canon DSLR Challenges: http://pbase.com/cslr_challenge
KM galleries: http://pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
--
Shooting with the famous Replacements (1DMarkIIN and 30D)
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_1dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/canon_30and20d
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
 
30D image looks less noisy or it is just me?

Looking at those images makes me think that 30D is very good camera for the money. Taking into account the price difference the image quality is not that much different.

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isn't the 1DmkII 14 bit? and the 20D/30D 12 bit? I think that would account for the differences here....give me 16 bit please....! Hassy rules there...
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Hi John,

You could be right. My main goal however is to find out how close
the image quality of the 30D and 1DIIN using Picture Styles and
IMHO they are.
Jose, I agree. That was my conclusion too. Handy to know for sure. I'm glad that will give you what you were after.
Best regards,

José
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Cheers from JDU from Adelaide, South Australia

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DPR Macro Challenges: http://pbase.com/dprchallenges/macro_main
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The Vase looks quite dark, so Im not sure why it would be underexposed when spot metering on it.

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Is it a one touch operation you can implement without removing your eye from the viewfinder, or a buried in a menu function?

Jojo
 
Tried testing the 30D spot metering system and compared it with
evaluative metering and my Sekonic L-558 spot and incident meters.
Shot ISO 200 with the 70-200/2.8 L IS in our solarium. Here are the
results with respective readings:

30D Evaluative Metering (f/11 @ 1/125 sec.)



Incident metering using the Sekonic (f/11 @ 1/30 sec.)

http://i.pbase.com/o4/30/64330/1/57452093.Incident_spotmetering.jpg

Spot metering with the Sekonic (f/11 @ 1/60 sec.)

http://i.pbase.com/o4/30/64330/1/57452100.SekonicL558_spotmeter.jpg

30D spot metering (f/11 @ 1/100 sec.)



I think 30D spot metering looks pretty good----bring on those back
lit situations as I want to do some hairlighting using the sun in
the next few months with the model shoots :-)
The evaluative metering is not far behind. Where was the focus point?

Did you try partial and CWA with this scene?

Thank you for posting this.
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