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S4 Announcement - Days away?
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Andy112335
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Unfortunately jumbuck talks through his A* e
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Canon has shown that the high performance/High Dollar market is alive and well. If someody could make a $8000 Nikon F6 based full frame body people would buy it.
There should be plenty of profit for R&D to get the camera right if they sold as well as Canon's and I think they would. big ticket, big numbers and big incentive for R & D.
I think the S4is at least a year away. Just my opinion.
There should be plenty of profit for R&D to get the camera right if they sold as well as Canon's and I think they would. big ticket, big numbers and big incentive for R & D.
I think the S4is at least a year away. Just my opinion.
Bernie Ess
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However I never heard Jumbuck get unfriendly and insulting as you tend to get in yours. I prefer this largely, even if some of his statemements may be a bit strange.
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Kevin P Kitching
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I've been watching this thread out of curiosity rather than interest.
It seems to follow the usual pattern - Price drop, PMA around the corner... well there MUST be a new Fuji!
Ever considered that there may NOT be a new Fuji in the wings?
Maybe Fuji have difficulty in getting more 'quality' bodies - the F80/N80 has been well and truly dropped by Nikon which could mean no chassis for the rumoured S4.
I can't really see Nikon letting the F6/D2 bodies out in the wild, neither would it make sense to release the D200 body to Fuji. After all, they didn't do it with tthe D100.
Maybe Fuji are bracing themselves for CCD failures a la S3?
I think (and I've said this quite a few times here) that the S4 will more likely be the current S3 with the buffer upgrade already fitted.
Deep down, I hope that I am wrong, but stranger things have happened...
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Kevin P Kitching
It seems to follow the usual pattern - Price drop, PMA around the corner... well there MUST be a new Fuji!
Ever considered that there may NOT be a new Fuji in the wings?
Maybe Fuji have difficulty in getting more 'quality' bodies - the F80/N80 has been well and truly dropped by Nikon which could mean no chassis for the rumoured S4.
I can't really see Nikon letting the F6/D2 bodies out in the wild, neither would it make sense to release the D200 body to Fuji. After all, they didn't do it with tthe D100.
Maybe Fuji are bracing themselves for CCD failures a la S3?
I think (and I've said this quite a few times here) that the S4 will more likely be the current S3 with the buffer upgrade already fitted.
Deep down, I hope that I am wrong, but stranger things have happened...
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Kevin P Kitching
Ulli Pietsch
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I've been following all the rumor threads with great interest and have no insider information or even opinions on what will happen next. I do know however that the S3 with upgraded buffer is already for sale.
http://www.cameracanada.com/eNet-cart/Default.asp?cat=CAMSLR&type=1&mkt=&brand=Fuji
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Joe G. Baldwin
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Remember the S3 Release.....same expectations, same hype, breakthough digital SLR coming, yada yada yada. And what happens, a big flop of a camera the S3. Yea I know about the dynamic range but still 6 megs? Most everyone except the die hard Fujiions were totally disappointed.
I hope I am wrong..I like my S1 and S2 and Fuji.
Joe
I hope I am wrong..I like my S1 and S2 and Fuji.
Joe
Hi Joe
I don't think that it was the 6mps that left most Fuji users disapointed with the S3...it was just about everytihng else that you'd expect with a pro camera. I don't think that there is a real huge difference between the resolution of the s3/20d/d200, but theres a huge differerence in how responsive the cameras are. Fuji really didn't seem to care about anything but .jpg output with the S3. They failed to figure out how to get the write times faster. They failed to figure out how to have compressed raw. They failed to have a buffer that would allow more than 3 raw files at a time..then offer a small increase in buffer for more than they should charge for it. They didn't improve on autofocus and they took a step back in flash performance. Really, the S3 has been a major dissapointment for more reasons than just MPs.
I don't expect much from Fuji at PMA, but I guess we can all hope that they are still tryinng to stay in the DSLR market. I really can't understand why they would want to stay in the market if they are not willing to at least try to be competitive with Nikon and Canon. They need to get past the prosumer market and find a way to deliver a camera with better than n80 performance but I fear that they will be using the d70 or even the d50 body for their next dslr.
The files the S2 delivers are still amongst the best out there and Fuji really needs to figure out a way to put their sensors in a top class body. I would love a Fuji sensor in a D2 body. I think that Fuji should also try to get into the FF market. Even if the performance was as poor as the S3s, having a top quality FF sensor would allow them to regain what little market share they had with the S2.
With all the complaing Derrel did on the S3, I think most of us realize that he was right...the S3 was and is a dog of a camera that delivers a good file but not much else. For most photographers, that's not good enough, especially at the original selling price. Look at how many former S3 users are now using Canon or Nikon cameras, trying to find that one camera that gives them the performance that they require to do their jobs. If Fuji had found a way to put the S3's sensor in a D1/D2 body I'm sure that many, many more photographers would have the S3 in their bags.
Tim
I don't think that it was the 6mps that left most Fuji users disapointed with the S3...it was just about everytihng else that you'd expect with a pro camera. I don't think that there is a real huge difference between the resolution of the s3/20d/d200, but theres a huge differerence in how responsive the cameras are. Fuji really didn't seem to care about anything but .jpg output with the S3. They failed to figure out how to get the write times faster. They failed to figure out how to have compressed raw. They failed to have a buffer that would allow more than 3 raw files at a time..then offer a small increase in buffer for more than they should charge for it. They didn't improve on autofocus and they took a step back in flash performance. Really, the S3 has been a major dissapointment for more reasons than just MPs.
I don't expect much from Fuji at PMA, but I guess we can all hope that they are still tryinng to stay in the DSLR market. I really can't understand why they would want to stay in the market if they are not willing to at least try to be competitive with Nikon and Canon. They need to get past the prosumer market and find a way to deliver a camera with better than n80 performance but I fear that they will be using the d70 or even the d50 body for their next dslr.
The files the S2 delivers are still amongst the best out there and Fuji really needs to figure out a way to put their sensors in a top class body. I would love a Fuji sensor in a D2 body. I think that Fuji should also try to get into the FF market. Even if the performance was as poor as the S3s, having a top quality FF sensor would allow them to regain what little market share they had with the S2.
With all the complaing Derrel did on the S3, I think most of us realize that he was right...the S3 was and is a dog of a camera that delivers a good file but not much else. For most photographers, that's not good enough, especially at the original selling price. Look at how many former S3 users are now using Canon or Nikon cameras, trying to find that one camera that gives them the performance that they require to do their jobs. If Fuji had found a way to put the S3's sensor in a D1/D2 body I'm sure that many, many more photographers would have the S3 in their bags.
Tim
Bernie Ess
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It is easy: A camera that has only one thing that no other has as much/ good, may be more expensive. For 2-3 years the EOS 1ds were overpriced because they were the only one FF available, S3 has the best DR of any DSLR, blown highlights practically 100% dissappeared (not the case with D2x/ 1ds and the rest) so the price was not an issue for me. 2k is not that much either...
People spend high dollars for lenses that they use only 3x a year, I never heard anyone complain about that, the S3 adopters just chose to spend a relatively high price for the only camera that has - so far - adressed the DR problem in digital. A D2x went for 5k, now maybe 4,5k and the sensor performance is a very mixed bag, IMO. Not very good greens, low DR, too much ISO noise etc etc...
Also: At that time market situation was different, no D50, no D200 etc etc. Right now the S3 (original buffer) sells for 1350 here, that seems good to me, specially the image quality considered.
While I would like a faster AF and more pixels, I am still convinced that fast shooting rate, and all those buzz features (while nice) are mostly overrated. 5 or 8fps? What for? We don't talk about sport shooting here, it was never made for this. 1-2fps is good as long as the AF is ok. And more than a 2 frame buffer, thanks.
Did you notice that among at the pictures posted on dpreview there are actually few that couldn't be done with the slowest DSLR (probably the S3 - LOL!!!) I'd say less than 10%, well the "flying seagull" stuff, but I would not miss that. Its overused and got boring.
And I have seen so many BAD pics taken with 4k, 5k camera systems, I really am not so much impressed by camera features anymore. Have you ever taken a look at Darrel's website (pbase)? Guy has got a 20d and D2x, after the "lowish" S2 camera body (together thats maybe 8,5k in camera bodies alone, no lenses), but nevertheless, I have not found one truly great photograph among his hundreds of pics, with neither camera. All the same poor framing. Others here have posted out- standing shots with the S2, D70, Zane, Martin and others. What does that tell us?
Body features = overrated for photographic excellence. Sensor quality does matter however.
My bottom line: YES, me too like everyone I want a very nice high end high rez blablabla camera, but it is for the "wannahave toy factor" mainly, maybe the bigger viewfinder, but I know that it will not (!) make my photography better really. (And I will still not adopt the machine gun style even if its 12fps)
One thing however I am missing more and more, and that is the FF factor: Files have another look by the smaller DOF, in a paradoxical way, it will give more unsharpness (out of focus), but in a way that a Dx camera can hardly deliver. Look at Ron Purdy's postings at Canon 1d/5D talk, he makes great stuff, often not very sharp, the FF look that is...
If I had today the choice to take a 2000USD S3 or a 2500USD EOS 5d I know what I'd take, but this choice was non existant 1,3y ago. And its not for the AF/ fps, resolution (well, partly of course for 12MP)
So even if a possible S4 will be a real bomb , if its Dx I might not take it....
Its a personal choice
Preferences also change. Its all cool.kind regards, Bernie
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As much as you are so emphatically positive in your position surrounding the S3 (particularly when Derrel's name is mentioned or so it seems), you really need to be consistent about how you describe the S3. You range from hot to warm (or so). A couple of not-hot comments you made recently...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17122481
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17138906
Bernie, I appreciate there were fewer choices available when it was announced and only so many more choices when it finally became available (almost A YEAR LATER... hellooooo Fuji!!!). That said, the S3 has its limitations. Anyone should be rightly glad that you and others find merit in the camera but it's not fair to compare the non-existant demands placed on shooting speed in predictable (staged) set-ups against shooting requirements for "everything else" where reaction time means everything (or at least it means 'a lot'). Before anyone jumps on the Henri Cartier-Bresson theme (hey, I appreciate the talent so this is not meant as a slight against the man), let's remember that shutter lag was next-to-nada (all mechanical/ no computational requirements), pre-focusing/zone focusing -- and even manual focusing -- is better than flakey AF and the viewfinder was at least as good as if not much better than Fuji's (and others', granted) tunnel-vision. I'm not saying the S3 (or S2) can't capture good action images... but no one can say these cameras embody state-of-the-art image "acquisition technology". State-of-the-art "imaging technology", in ways, yes... but nowhere near a clear winner in every category either.
Bernie, do you remember the laughs we had when the S3 was announced? It was not the camera we dreamed of but -- eventually -- you have found enough benefits to justify including it in your arsenal. No complaints from me. That said, have you seen the dynamic range figures being posted for the D50? http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17161397 (I couldn't find the original source: sorry) At ISO 200, it has been reported that the D50 is just a fraction of a stop shy of the S3. I'm not saying the D50 is the best thing in town, but it's how much less expensive than an S3, it's frame rates are what and it's RAW file size is how large??? The bottom line is it's arguably 90+ percent of an S3 at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. All other DSLRs considered (Nikon, Canon, etc.), the punch line is that Fuji needs to do better if it hopes to maintain a presence in the DSLR market. I'm assuming that the ROI on a 'potentially' shrinking-niche product may not justify the R&D, manufacturing and distributions costs. Again, the S1 was great in its day. The S2 was a super bargain in its day and still holds its own in the 6MP market. That was then. This is now.
You and I can argue about 14 bits per channel versus 12, etc. and, quite honestly, I'm not going to argue about the definite advantages of such things... but then we would have to address other things such as the small gamuts native to the S2 and S3's colour spaces, etc. In other words, for every Fuji advantage... well, you know where I'm going with this so I will stop. Suffice to say, for every advantage, there's a question mark.
In your post you mention "full frame". Here again I agree with you 100%. My gosh, when I look back at medium format (which you shoot/shot as did I), the impact of OOF areas should not be dismissed. Again, I am in full agreement that if all people do is compare lp/mm at the extreme edges of the frame (which is where I place all my subjects. don't you??? LOL), they've missed the essential benefits of a 'larger format'. Quite honestly, if the twigs of a tree in an upper corner of a landscape photo are not sharp sharp sharp, how often does that matter to the impact of the image? Obviously the answer is subjective and that is exactly my point. If it's important to some, stay with DX. If it's not, as you mentioned somewhere sometime, it would be nice if we (F mount users) had a choice (other than a no-longer-manufactured Kodak SLR/n). The way I envision DSLRs today, I am quite happy to have different crop-factors in one system. If I can stick with one set of lenses and enjoy the benefits of each format, so much the better. You might agree.
Back to my point, you should try to be consistent in your points about the S3. The low resale value won't send you to the poor house! (LOL) While I don't think it's worthwhile elevating one's blood pressure over these things, you might as well know that Derrel has a few thoughts about your position on the S3 ( http://derrelonphotography.blogspot.com/ ). I can't say I disagree... but again, let's remain hopeful for more choice in an F mount and let's not get overly irritated over the opinions expressed by others. They are just opinions after all. If you are going to succeed in making your opinion count, if I may be so bold as to suggest, it would be helpful if you were to remain consistent and objective. You are far too nice a guy to be hammered over inconsistencies... but then I would say the same about Derrel!!! Best regards.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17122481
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17138906
Bernie, I appreciate there were fewer choices available when it was announced and only so many more choices when it finally became available (almost A YEAR LATER... hellooooo Fuji!!!). That said, the S3 has its limitations. Anyone should be rightly glad that you and others find merit in the camera but it's not fair to compare the non-existant demands placed on shooting speed in predictable (staged) set-ups against shooting requirements for "everything else" where reaction time means everything (or at least it means 'a lot'). Before anyone jumps on the Henri Cartier-Bresson theme (hey, I appreciate the talent so this is not meant as a slight against the man), let's remember that shutter lag was next-to-nada (all mechanical/ no computational requirements), pre-focusing/zone focusing -- and even manual focusing -- is better than flakey AF and the viewfinder was at least as good as if not much better than Fuji's (and others', granted) tunnel-vision. I'm not saying the S3 (or S2) can't capture good action images... but no one can say these cameras embody state-of-the-art image "acquisition technology". State-of-the-art "imaging technology", in ways, yes... but nowhere near a clear winner in every category either.
Bernie, do you remember the laughs we had when the S3 was announced? It was not the camera we dreamed of but -- eventually -- you have found enough benefits to justify including it in your arsenal. No complaints from me. That said, have you seen the dynamic range figures being posted for the D50? http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=17161397 (I couldn't find the original source: sorry) At ISO 200, it has been reported that the D50 is just a fraction of a stop shy of the S3. I'm not saying the D50 is the best thing in town, but it's how much less expensive than an S3, it's frame rates are what and it's RAW file size is how large??? The bottom line is it's arguably 90+ percent of an S3 at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. All other DSLRs considered (Nikon, Canon, etc.), the punch line is that Fuji needs to do better if it hopes to maintain a presence in the DSLR market. I'm assuming that the ROI on a 'potentially' shrinking-niche product may not justify the R&D, manufacturing and distributions costs. Again, the S1 was great in its day. The S2 was a super bargain in its day and still holds its own in the 6MP market. That was then. This is now.
You and I can argue about 14 bits per channel versus 12, etc. and, quite honestly, I'm not going to argue about the definite advantages of such things... but then we would have to address other things such as the small gamuts native to the S2 and S3's colour spaces, etc. In other words, for every Fuji advantage... well, you know where I'm going with this so I will stop. Suffice to say, for every advantage, there's a question mark.
In your post you mention "full frame". Here again I agree with you 100%. My gosh, when I look back at medium format (which you shoot/shot as did I), the impact of OOF areas should not be dismissed. Again, I am in full agreement that if all people do is compare lp/mm at the extreme edges of the frame (which is where I place all my subjects. don't you??? LOL), they've missed the essential benefits of a 'larger format'. Quite honestly, if the twigs of a tree in an upper corner of a landscape photo are not sharp sharp sharp, how often does that matter to the impact of the image? Obviously the answer is subjective and that is exactly my point. If it's important to some, stay with DX. If it's not, as you mentioned somewhere sometime, it would be nice if we (F mount users) had a choice (other than a no-longer-manufactured Kodak SLR/n). The way I envision DSLRs today, I am quite happy to have different crop-factors in one system. If I can stick with one set of lenses and enjoy the benefits of each format, so much the better. You might agree.
Back to my point, you should try to be consistent in your points about the S3. The low resale value won't send you to the poor house! (LOL) While I don't think it's worthwhile elevating one's blood pressure over these things, you might as well know that Derrel has a few thoughts about your position on the S3 ( http://derrelonphotography.blogspot.com/ ). I can't say I disagree... but again, let's remain hopeful for more choice in an F mount and let's not get overly irritated over the opinions expressed by others. They are just opinions after all. If you are going to succeed in making your opinion count, if I may be so bold as to suggest, it would be helpful if you were to remain consistent and objective. You are far too nice a guy to be hammered over inconsistencies... but then I would say the same about Derrel!!! Best regards.
Bernie Ess
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I won't have the time to answer all of what you wrote, but those 2 statements, I remember them, are well in line - it seems to me - with what I said here. The AF is generally good enough for my almost always- on lens, the 28-75 Tamron, with the 70-200 things get more difficult. The yellow asian girl was made with it, also some runners etc. Walking persons are not a problem. Fast movements (bikers and everything with a motor in it) are not really reliable. I noticed that from day one with that lens (70-200).
Once again, portraits, all kinds of nature shots (not wildlife, not sports), stillife, street photography etc etc - for all that it is fast enough. It seems to me that this is not that little, but your answer may be different - very ok for me.
And maybe there is also the love/ hate part in my statements, but isn't that ok either? And then again the knowledge that in the end its never the camera that limits me. Only my shooting skills. And I dont take this as important than I used to.... The last time I really heated up was when the S3 was announced. Then I learned that I could be quite happy with it, and now I hope I will soon have a camera that lets me finally forget about the camera stuff.
Signs are that the Canon 5D will drop in price quite a bit soon, rebates, too much competition. This could give the opportunity to get FF for a really low price, just for the thing you mentioned. Looking at those 5D pics suddenly reminded me, just like you, the old film pics.
Not a bad thing...
Take care, and here is one I took (and processed) with S3+ 70-200VR-
bernie
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So far, it looks like "disappoint".
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Looking back as far as 2002, Fujifilm's pattern in pre-PMA announcing has been consistent. 11th hour miracle? Maybe... but I'd say unlikely at this point based simply on historical patterns.
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carpe diem, or just don't ..... but shoot, shoot, shoot
Bernie Ess
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I am an S3 RAW shooter
Yes, it is sl...o....o...o..... ... . . .. ..... ww. ... w w.
Made my photography better to slow down.
I am an S3 RAW shooter
Yes, it is sl...o....o...o..... ... . . .. ..... ww. ... w w.
Made my photography better to slow down.
megapixeldave
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DennisS213286
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Full frame, HIGH dynamic range, best color, great flash, 14mp. I'm always amazed that more of the S3 types never jumped on the Kodak bandwagon. The Kodaks achilles heel is of course noise at anything over the lowest ISO's..but for studio work who cares. Actually did you at one time have a Kodak Bernie?..I can't quite remember..
The 5d really does make great images, and its FF sensor is a big part of that. If you want that look, well we don't have many choices.
-Dennis
The 5d really does make great images, and its FF sensor is a big part of that. If you want that look, well we don't have many choices.
-Dennis
It is easy: A camera that has only one thing that no other has as
much/ good, may be more expensive. For 2-3 years the EOS 1ds were
overpriced because they were the only one FF available, S3 has the
best DR of any DSLR, blown highlights practically 100% dissappeared
(not the case with D2x/ 1ds and the rest) so the price was not an
issue for me. 2k is not that much either...
People spend high dollars for lenses that they use only 3x a year,
I never heard anyone complain about that, the S3 adopters just
chose to spend a relatively high price for the only camera that has
now maybe 4,5k and the sensor performance is a very mixed bag, IMO.
- so far - adressed the DR problem in digital. A D2x went for 5k,
Not very good greens, low DR, too much ISO noise etc etc...
Also: At that time market situation was different, no D50, no D200
etc etc. Right now the S3 (original buffer) sells for 1350 here,
that seems good to me, specially the image quality considered.
While I would like a faster AF and more pixels, I am still
convinced that fast shooting rate, and all those buzz features
(while nice) are mostly overrated. 5 or 8fps? What for? We don't
talk about sport shooting here, it was never made for this. 1-2fps
is good as long as the AF is ok. And more than a 2 frame buffer,
thanks.
Did you notice that among at the pictures posted on dpreview there
are actually few that couldn't be done with the slowest DSLR
(probably the S3 - LOL!!!) I'd say less than 10%, well the "flying
seagull" stuff, but I would not miss that. Its overused and got
boring.
And I have seen so many BAD pics taken with 4k, 5k camera systems,
I really am not so much impressed by camera features anymore. Have
you ever taken a look at Darrel's website (pbase)? Guy has got a
20d and D2x, after the "lowish" S2 camera body (together thats
maybe 8,5k in camera bodies alone, no lenses), but nevertheless, I
have not found one truly great photograph among his hundreds of
pics, with neither camera. All the same poor framing. Others here
have posted out- standing shots with the S2, D70, Zane, Martin and
others. What does that tell us?
Body features = overrated for photographic excellence. Sensor
quality does matter however.
My bottom line: YES, me too like everyone I want a very nice high
end high rez blablabla camera, but it is for the "wannahave toy
factor" mainly, maybe the bigger viewfinder, but I know that it
will not (!) make my photography better really. (And I will still
not adopt the machine gun style even if its 12fps)
One thing however I am missing more and more, and that is the FF
factor: Files have another look by the smaller DOF, in a
paradoxical way, it will give more unsharpness (out of focus), but
in a way that a Dx camera can hardly deliver. Look at Ron Purdy's
postings at Canon 1d/5D talk, he makes great stuff, often not very
sharp, the FF look that is...
If I had today the choice to take a 2000USD S3 or a 2500USD EOS 5d
I know what I'd take, but this choice was non existant 1,3y ago.
And its not for the AF/ fps, resolution (well, partly of course for
12MP)
So even if a possible S4 will be a real bomb , if its Dx I might
not take it....
Its a personal choice
kind regards, Bernie
I like the ISO 3200 model. The F10 is awesome! Too cool.
Mark127996
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Derrel, I know you read this sometimes so I hope you see this one.
While I think you can obviously choose to write what ever you want in your blogs I think its sad that you have not moved on from the attacks on people of this forum.
Why not live on your own merit rather than trying to do it by discrediting others? You are more than capable and I feel that your Blog reflects more negatively on you than the people you degrade in it.
You are smart and capable... how about showing folks what you are really about and just put all this in the past.
I want you to know that I forgive you for the slams on me in your blog.
People are just people and are entitled to change their minds. I have always felt that people who can learn and grow and see things differently are better off than those who remain stubborn and fixed in their ways.
BTW, folks would probably have you back here if you wanted to return. I ate my crow and applogized to all.. yup, I have been wrong and made mistakes.
How about laying down the arms and rejoining the team? The S3 is old news now.
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While I think you can obviously choose to write what ever you want in your blogs I think its sad that you have not moved on from the attacks on people of this forum.
Why not live on your own merit rather than trying to do it by discrediting others? You are more than capable and I feel that your Blog reflects more negatively on you than the people you degrade in it.
You are smart and capable... how about showing folks what you are really about and just put all this in the past.
I want you to know that I forgive you for the slams on me in your blog.
People are just people and are entitled to change their minds. I have always felt that people who can learn and grow and see things differently are better off than those who remain stubborn and fixed in their ways.
BTW, folks would probably have you back here if you wanted to return. I ate my crow and applogized to all.. yup, I have been wrong and made mistakes.
How about laying down the arms and rejoining the team? The S3 is old news now.
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Now and Forever Photography
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Website: http://www.radphotos.net
megapixeldave
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i dont really remember as well as others as to what happened between D & B but it does seem sort of childish to be posting his ill feelings so robustly on his blog.
mark, you are so right about people changing theirs minds on different things over time.
it seems like Derrell is just waiting for anything that he can "catch" bernie on. just to post on his blog and go...see i was right blah blah.
i can appreciate being ticked off but at some point you do have to let it go.
it really does take more energy to keep reliving that anger than to just let it go and get on with your life.
david
http://www.davidprobst.com
p.s. derrell, i did read your blog yesterday (except i did scan past your war & machine gun anologies) and have to say that all i could picture was a guy that was all coming apart at the seams and all riled up! is it really worth it? really though no offense meant to you.
mark, you are so right about people changing theirs minds on different things over time.
it seems like Derrell is just waiting for anything that he can "catch" bernie on. just to post on his blog and go...see i was right blah blah.
i can appreciate being ticked off but at some point you do have to let it go.
it really does take more energy to keep reliving that anger than to just let it go and get on with your life.
david
http://www.davidprobst.com
p.s. derrell, i did read your blog yesterday (except i did scan past your war & machine gun anologies) and have to say that all i could picture was a guy that was all coming apart at the seams and all riled up! is it really worth it? really though no offense meant to you.
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