E-100 Last Minute Q's

Chuck I am curious, what kind of printer did you use for your test?
Jason
http://www.carr-siegel.net/pictures/e-100/precap-1/frames.html

just click on the thumbnail with the blue border (the one I think
is best in the precapture set) and then after the picture loads in
the right frame, right click (if using windows) on the large
picture and then choose "save picture" from the drop down menu.
This is a 1.4 megapixel image, so depending on your band width, it
make take some time to load and download.

I have made stunning 8x10's from my 1.9 megapixel Oly cameras. My
e-100rs is only two weeks old and I haven't had the time to make an
8x10 yet. My 4x6's have been, I would say without hesitation,
absolutely stunning and am confident my 8x10's will be also.

Jay Siegel
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
No but I will look for it! I was out of town yesterday so I am catching up now. Good for JD if he was man enough to finally get it. Carmen in all honesty I think it is sad and halarious at the same time.
Jason
Congratulations on your new camera...have fun. I know you'll post
some pictures soon?! Did you see the post below here in this thread
from JD...he graciously stands corrected!!! How about that!!! Isn't
it grand!!!

Carmen
Jason
Carmen, I've read that thread you provided..thanks. I am a
compulsive researcher so I've been following the discussions here
on dpreview for a number of months trying to keep up with all the
developments. The E100 never made to my radar screen due to its
price. Like many of you, with tre recent price drop it jumped to
the forefront. I am very intrigued by its responsiveness and the
wonderful precapture. One of my concerns with going digital is the
overall slow handling of digital cameras. The E100 seems to have
this problem licked (and inconcievable that the E-20 is still
lagging). So now I'm trying to convince myself that the pictures I
capture at the relatively low resolution will satisy me now and in
the future. I have a 2 year old son and another son on the way in
January. Those pictures are invaluable and I want to make sure
that I am going to be satisfied with them as my record.
Andrew...that is what I meant by "archival" rather than focusing on
the archival qualities of the print media. (I think the 1270 inks
and Matte papers are "good enough" for me and most uses I can
forsee, but your link was welcome, I love reading about this stuff).

I'm in the last stages of my research, and just trying to convince
myself that I won't regret giving up the Nikon 35mm gear and
film/slide scanner.

CHuck
I guess the reason you haven't gotten any of the "stunning and
breathtaking" remarks is do to (maybe) some of us has not taken any
breathtaking, etc pictures ^. I personally only had a few
printed up and they were excellent. But the pictures I took were of
the house kitty and things as such....nothing special. It was just
a test to see if it was possible due to the low pixel count. Also
realize that most people just aquired their cameras due to the
sudden drop in price. So maybe their opinions will be forthcoming
as they get to know their cameras better. I will say that the
print of my kitty is beautiful and has very photo like
quality.....:) I used Walmart...


If you go to the link below and read this thread it may help...I
have compiled a list of all the users thoughts on the 100 and print
quality...just clink on the various links

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=2&message=1689483

Good Luck,

Carmen
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
John I could not have said it better myself. I see many people get hung up on being able to produce an 8x10 but while in reality most never print that many unless they do photography for a living. I personally only blow up to an 8x10 occassionally. I can agree that its nice to have the capability of printing a quality 8x10 but you really have to ask yourself how often are you really going to do that. I store most of my photo's on CD now and I have come to the concluesion that the size is not what I am after with my photography. I am more after a quality shot than I am anything else. The E-100 definately will help me do that. When its not enough for me I have my E-10.

Jason
So, if your goal is to be able to get shots of those kids and
printing enlargements is not at the top of your list, then the
E-100RS might be for you, especially at the current price. If
printing enlargements is at the top of your list, then you need to
do as others have recommended and print some of the full size
samples on your own printer and see if you like it or not.

In any case, good luck in your decision. My decision was based on
being able to even get the shot rather than enlarging it.

John Dupre Jr
http://johnduprejr.com
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
Hi Chuck , read this :

I live in the Netherlands and there is a company here that offers the
E100rs for only about $ 675 so I bought one yesterday morning.
I am really happy with this camera.
  • solid build
  • fast faster fastest
  • a very wide range of settings
  • "professional" looks
  • complete , also incl. rapid nimh charger and 4 nimhs
  • and most of all : high image quality !
I also own a Nikon 990 , image quality is about equal.
At my work we have a Dimage 7 , the image quality of the D7
is higher but at f.e. 8x10 you want see a great difference.
In automatic position the D7 gives you real poor pics , which I think
is a SHAME for Minolta ( the D7 can make beautiful pics when you first
tell the camera what to do through divers manual settings )
The E100rs give you good exposure all the time.

Marc
 
Hi JD, it takes more of a man (politically incorrect, I know) to admit he's wrong than to keep insisting he's right. Thanks for the printing info. I haven't tried printing 8x10's with my E-100 yet, but when it's coming from you, I guess there's no doubt anymore. ;-)

Regards, Maxven
http://www.carr-siegel.net/pictures/e-100/precap-1/frames.html

just click on the thumbnail with the blue border (the one I think
is best in the precapture set) and then after the picture loads in
the right frame, right click (if using windows) on the large
picture and then choose "save picture" from the drop down menu.
This is a 1.4 megapixel image, so depending on your band width, it
make take some time to load and download.

I have made stunning 8x10's from my 1.9 megapixel Oly cameras. My
e-100rs is only two weeks old and I haven't had the time to make an
8x10 yet. My 4x6's have been, I would say without hesitation,
absolutely stunning and am confident my 8x10's will be also.

Jay Siegel
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
Hi Max and others,

I was indeed glad to retract some original comments regarding the value of the E-100 pre capture and its ability to produce acceptable 8X10's .

When describing enlargements (prints) there are key words used such as acceptable, decent, near photo quality, good, pleasing,excellent,stunning, high quality, photo quality,etc. by us amateurs,advanced or whatever. Those words become very subjectable to say the least.

Evidently, most of us (myself included) are willing to accept a diminished lack detail/definition, in an enlargement (8X10 size +) with a E-100 or a C2100 in exchange for other rarer/valuable features that the cameras offer.

Getting high quality 8X10 prints with 1.5 MP's and even 1.9 MP's defies any recognized or established printing standard regarding the number of pixels per inch required when printing with dye sub or inkjet. However these 2 Olympus models tend to allow us to stretch those requirements significantly,but still only so far, and I do think some people can and do go too far and fail to recognize the inherent resolution limitations of their respective cameras.

I'm only wanting to put this in a perspective here and would want any prospective buyers asking questions on the forum to understand this also.

I mainly print only 8X10's and I have printed many hundreds of them. I have become accustomed to quickly detecting/recognizing pixellation( blockiness) printer differences, oversharpening, lack of definition, etc.and still find myself being satisfied with many enlarged prints from good quality low resolution cameras.

That being said , I am always aware of the level of quality my prints are at, and able to appreciate the image subject itself ( at times awesome, stunning, beautiful) and then analyzing the quality separately. Sometimes wishing I had more Mp's.JD
Regards, Maxven
http://www.carr-siegel.net/pictures/e-100/precap-1/frames.html

just click on the thumbnail with the blue border (the one I think
is best in the precapture set) and then after the picture loads in
the right frame, right click (if using windows) on the large
picture and then choose "save picture" from the drop down menu.
This is a 1.4 megapixel image, so depending on your band width, it
make take some time to load and download.

I have made stunning 8x10's from my 1.9 megapixel Oly cameras. My
e-100rs is only two weeks old and I haven't had the time to make an
8x10 yet. My 4x6's have been, I would say without hesitation,
absolutely stunning and am confident my 8x10's will be also.

Jay Siegel
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
Well Max...you got one in on me...I was thinking of the same thing last night and was going to express it here now.....just as I happened upon your message...good job ^

Carmen

Regards, Maxven
http://www.carr-siegel.net/pictures/e-100/precap-1/frames.html

just click on the thumbnail with the blue border (the one I think
is best in the precapture set) and then after the picture loads in
the right frame, right click (if using windows) on the large
picture and then choose "save picture" from the drop down menu.
This is a 1.4 megapixel image, so depending on your band width, it
make take some time to load and download.

I have made stunning 8x10's from my 1.9 megapixel Oly cameras. My
e-100rs is only two weeks old and I haven't had the time to make an
8x10 yet. My 4x6's have been, I would say without hesitation,
absolutely stunning and am confident my 8x10's will be also.

Jay Siegel
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
JD,

This is exactly the type of thing I'm trying to determine. When someone states that they found the prints "great/decent/stunning/jaw-dropping/photo-quality" that really doesn't tell a reader all that much. Now when you say that you get comparable prints with the E-100 to the 2100, that gives a little more, much needed, info.

Other things I'd like to know is what steps did you take to print these at 8x10? What Printer? Did you use Bicubic upsampling in Photoshop, or did you simply set the image dpi (or ppi...I always forget) high enough so that it covered the requisite print size. Have you tried using Genuine Fractals on the E100 images? How about Qimage's Max Lansczo (or whatever it's called) Interpolation?

Like most of the people here, I imagine that my prints will usually be below the magic 8x10 size....but if these are going to be my only shots of my kids growing up (at least the next couple of years) then I'd sure like them to be good enough to print at that larger size.

I'm in those last stages before buying and starting to get cold feet. I haven't had time at home yet to try some prints, and frankly I'm still so new to the digital editing/printing game that I'm not sure how much to trust my results (plus I don't have GF or Qimage, although I think I'll dload the trial version tonight...although it's pumpkin carving night...have to get the high speed film out and in the old Nikon ...hope I get some good shots...you never know with this film stuff :) ). I'm a little worried that the E-100 is going to dissappear from the discount channels here pretty soon.

Again....I really appreciate your thoughts and comments. Your skepticism and candor are welcome.

Chuck
Regards, Maxven
http://www.carr-siegel.net/pictures/e-100/precap-1/frames.html

just click on the thumbnail with the blue border (the one I think
is best in the precapture set) and then after the picture loads in
the right frame, right click (if using windows) on the large
picture and then choose "save picture" from the drop down menu.
This is a 1.4 megapixel image, so depending on your band width, it
make take some time to load and download.

I have made stunning 8x10's from my 1.9 megapixel Oly cameras. My
e-100rs is only two weeks old and I haven't had the time to make an
8x10 yet. My 4x6's have been, I would say without hesitation,
absolutely stunning and am confident my 8x10's will be also.

Jay Siegel
Okay.....I'm nearly convinced to make the jump to digital and to
the E-100. My main concern is with the resolution and my ability
to make prints up to 8x10. I know this has been discussed a lot
recently, and I will be performing my own tests over the next
couple days (making prints on my Epson 1270), but I wanted to get a
final consensus from those that have used this camera to make large
prints, and hopefully some people that have drectly compared the
large prints to others made from another camera.

I'm not asking too much am I? :)

Basically, the words I've been hearing to describe the prints are
"quality", "acceptable", etc. I haven't been hearing the
"stunning" or "breathtaking" that you often read describing many of
the 3-5 MP cameras. Does the quality of the print depend on the
subject matter? For examply will a frame dominated fy a persons
face look as good as a very "cluttered" landscape shot?

I guess what it boils down to is that I will likely have to sell my
35mm eqpt to finance my jump to digital, and I want to make sure
that the pictures I capture are of archival quality. THese will be
my only shots of kids as they grow up (the bulk of my photography
at this point, although I really want to branch out) and I don't
want the resolution to be a hindrance.

Chuck
 
Chuck,

I think you are getting yourself into a real analytic bind. JD does an exellent job of covering the printing issues of the e-100. My previous experience is with a C-2020, a 1.9MP camera. I expect the tollerances to be even tighter with the e-100. For me the NY-Camera price of $460 delivered made this a no-brainer -- buy it and use it. Sure some of the 8x10's will not be picture perfect (whatever adjectives you use) but most of them will be pictures you wouldn't have gotten with any other camera. I image I will have some pictures that if I printed 8x10, I will think if only..... but others will think it is a marvelous picture -- often the photographer "knows too much" and this detracts from the enjoyment about what could have been with 3-4-5 or more megapixels.

The missed picture is a ZERO pixel picture whatever the resolution of the camera!

Jay Siegel
This is exactly the type of thing I'm trying to determine. When
someone states that they found the prints
"great/decent/stunning/jaw-dropping/photo-quality" that really
doesn't tell a reader all that much. Now when you say that you get
comparable prints with the E-100 to the 2100, that gives a little
more, much needed, info.

Other things I'd like to know is what steps did you take to print
these at 8x10? What Printer? Did you use Bicubic upsampling in
Photoshop, or did you simply set the image dpi (or ppi...I always
forget) high enough so that it covered the requisite print size.
Have you tried using Genuine Fractals on the E100 images? How
about Qimage's Max Lansczo (or whatever it's called) Interpolation?

Like most of the people here, I imagine that my prints will usually
be below the magic 8x10 size....but if these are going to be my
only shots of my kids growing up (at least the next couple of
years) then I'd sure like them to be good enough to print at that
larger size.

I'm in those last stages before buying and starting to get cold
feet. I haven't had time at home yet to try some prints, and
frankly I'm still so new to the digital editing/printing game that
I'm not sure how much to trust my results (plus I don't have GF or
Qimage, although I think I'll dload the trial version
tonight...although it's pumpkin carving night...have to get the
high speed film out and in the old Nikon ...hope I get some good
shots...you never know with this film stuff :) ). I'm a little
worried that the E-100 is going to dissappear from the discount
channels here pretty soon.

Again....I really appreciate your thoughts and comments. Your
skepticism and candor are welcome.

Chuck
Hi Max and others,
I was indeed glad to retract some original comments regarding the
value of the E-100 pre capture and its ability to produce
acceptable 8X10's .
When describing enlargements (prints) there are key words used such
as acceptable, decent, near photo quality, good,
pleasing,excellent,stunning, high quality, photo quality,etc. by us
amateurs,advanced or whatever. Those words become very subjectable
to say the least.
Evidently, most of us (myself included) are willing to accept a
diminished lack detail/definition, in an enlargement (8X10 size +)
with a E-100 or a C2100 in exchange for other rarer/valuable
features that the cameras offer.
Getting high quality 8X10 prints with 1.5 MP's and even 1.9 MP's
defies any recognized or established printing standard regarding
the number of pixels per inch required when printing with dye sub
or inkjet. However these 2 Olympus models tend to allow us to
stretch those requirements significantly,but still only so far, and
I do think some people can and do go too far and fail to recognize
the inherent resolution limitations of their respective cameras.
I'm only wanting to put this in a perspective here and would want
any prospective buyers asking questions on the forum to understand
this also.
I mainly print only 8X10's and I have printed many hundreds of
them. I have become accustomed to quickly detecting/recognizing
pixellation( blockiness) printer differences, oversharpening, lack
of definition, etc.and still find myself being satisfied with many
enlarged prints from good quality low resolution cameras.
That being said , I am always aware of the level of quality my
prints are at, and able to appreciate the image subject itself ( at
times awesome, stunning, beautiful) and then analyzing the quality
separately. Sometimes wishing I had more Mp's.JD
 
JD,

This is exactly the type of thing I'm trying to determine. When
someone states that they found the prints
"great/decent/stunning/jaw-dropping/photo-quality" that really
doesn't tell a reader all that much.
Now when you say that you get
comparable prints with the E-100 to the 2100, that gives a little
more, much needed, info.
Other things I'd like to know is what steps did you take to print
these at 8x10?
I always set the camera at soft setting and then sharpen/add contrast to my preference with an image edit program. The Unsharp Mask in Qimage pro is excellent. Maybe not the absolute best available but it certainly gives me very good control and excellent results.

What Printer?

I use a HP 932C printer set at the 2400X1200 DPI setting and not at HP's recommended "Ret lll" (photo quality) setting. I get better results. Many others prefer Epson printers but I like HP quality.(again this is subjective and debatable too) See printing forums. I use Jet Print Professional glossy photo paper and also HP Premium Plus gloss paper.I also refill my ink carts.

Did you use Bicubic upsampling in
Photoshop, or did you simply set the image dpi (or ppi...I always
forget) high enough so that it covered the requisite print size.
I use the max quality setting of Lanczos interpolation in Quimage Pro for images that I determine are marginal to print at 8X10.

Many images can be printed without interpolation if it was captured properly.(exposure was just right) I also prefer to use HP's printing program. I think it is equal in print quality to Qimage Pro with less hassle and more flexibility.

Bi cubic interpolation although good , isn't necessarily the better interpolation. I think there is a general concensus thatl Qimage 's Lanczos is superior.
Have you tried using Genuine Fractals on the E100 images? How
about Qimage's Max Lansczo (or whatever it's called) Interpolation?
Qimage's Lanzcos is excellent and hard to beat. It is my understanding that GF is also good but was really developed/intended for much larger uses.If you don't get GF with the E-100rs then Quimage Pro would be a cost effective and excellent addition to the camera's printing capability.
Like most of the people here, I imagine that my prints will usually
be below the magic 8x10 size....but if these are going to be my
only shots of my kids growing up (at least the next couple of
years) then I'd sure like them to be good enough to print at that
larger size.
I think they will be good enough. Unless you will be showing them to a strictly pro audience , you will soon find that no one will scutinize them more than yourself. If you wish, I'd be happy to send you a 8X10 glossy (uninterpolated ) print ,one of thousands,taken with my C2100 that I know would gain your confidence. It might knock your socks off.(see what I mean about using those terms?)

I have been shooting images of my grandchildren (8 months-13 yrs old ) for well over a year now with digital (Olympus models) and am overall very well satisfied. I am getting much more consistant good quality images than film and all its lousy, costly,time consuming developing ever produced for me.(definitely not subjective! ) I rarely ever had good or consistant results with 35mm film .
I'm in those last stages before buying and starting to get cold
feet. I haven't had time at home yet to try some prints, and
frankly I'm still so new to the digital editing/printing game that
I'm not sure how much to trust my results (plus I don't have GF or
Qimage, although I think I'll dload the trial version
I did not have good trial results with Qimage. I paid the $35.00(cheap,cheap,cheap) for it and think its the best $35.00 I have spent in years.

Digital photography has changed my life somewhat.I am enjoying it better than any other hobby I have had in my life.. I am totally swept away by it as many others are. You will be too. I think it is in the large part attributed to the versatility of the Olympus 10X IS lens on the E100 and 2100 models.

For you to back out now would possibly leave you always wondering,wishing, and you will no doubt end up feeling like you missed the boat. Who knows? You might even think about punishing yourself for not being decisive enough.
Take my advice , go for it! You won't regret it one bit.
tonight...although it's pumpkin carving night...have to get the
high speed film out and in the old Nikon ...hope I get some good
shots...you never know with this film stuff :) ). I'm a little
worried that the E-100 is going to dissappear from the discount
channels here pretty soon.
Honestly, If I didn't already have a C2100, I would probably consider the E-100.
Again....I really appreciate your thoughts and comments. Your
skepticism and candor are welcome.
Anytime, JD
Chuck
Hi Max and others,
I was indeed glad to retract some original comments regarding the
value of the E-100 pre capture and its ability to produce
acceptable 8X10's .
When describing enlargements (prints) there are key words used such
as acceptable, decent, near photo quality, good,
pleasing,excellent,stunning, high quality, photo quality,etc. by us
amateurs,advanced or whatever. Those words become very subjectable
to say the least.
Evidently, most of us (myself included) are willing to accept a
diminished lack detail/definition, in an enlargement (8X10 size +)
with a E-100 or a C2100 in exchange for other rarer/valuable
features that the cameras offer.
Getting high quality 8X10 prints with 1.5 MP's and even 1.9 MP's
defies any recognized or established printing standard regarding
the number of pixels per inch required when printing with dye sub
or inkjet. However these 2 Olympus models tend to allow us to
stretch those requirements significantly,but still only so far, and
I do think some people can and do go too far and fail to recognize
the inherent resolution limitations of their respective cameras.
I'm only wanting to put this in a perspective here and would want
any prospective buyers asking questions on the forum to understand
this also.
I mainly print only 8X10's and I have printed many hundreds of
them. I have become accustomed to quickly detecting/recognizing
pixellation( blockiness) printer differences, oversharpening, lack
of definition, etc.and still find myself being satisfied with many
enlarged prints from good quality low resolution cameras.
That being said , I am always aware of the level of quality my
prints are at, and able to appreciate the image subject itself ( at
times awesome, stunning, beautiful) and then analyzing the quality
separately. Sometimes wishing I had more Mp's.JD
 
Jay,
I think you have it nailed down perfectly.
I could not have said it better.JD
Chuck,

I think you are getting yourself into a real analytic bind. JD
does an exellent job of covering the printing issues of the e-100.
My previous experience is with a C-2020, a 1.9MP camera. I expect
the tollerances to be even tighter with the e-100. For me the
NY-Camera price of $460 delivered made this a no-brainer -- buy it
and use it. Sure some of the 8x10's will not be picture perfect
(whatever adjectives you use) but most of them will be pictures you
wouldn't have gotten with any other camera. I image I will have
some pictures that if I printed 8x10, I will think if only..... but
others will think it is a marvelous picture -- often the
photographer "knows too much" and this detracts from the enjoyment
about what could have been with 3-4-5 or more megapixels.

The missed picture is a ZERO pixel picture whatever the resolution
of the camera!

Jay Siegel
 
Dear Chuck, What your output is will always be determinded by your input! Thats the first hard and fast rule. Like scanning an image if you do not start with a good image then do not expect to get an good image out. It will not matter what software or what you use to manipulate it. Bottom line is you have to start with a good image. Second point is you will have your own definitions. How you define things will be based on what you have had experience with. I have owned an Alps Dye Sub MD5000, HP Photo printer (which is not the little one or Desktop you buy normally, Olympus Dye sub P400, and I just bought an Epson(which normally I am not a big fan of) 780 because it was cheap! I am very critical when it comes to my prints. My expectations could be less, the same, or they could exceed yours! You have to make the ultimate decision! You are the one that has to be happy! There are many good software programs out there. My US version E-100 came with Genuine Fractals which allows you to do somethings with a print without losing too much. Epson is selling the 780 printer and supplying (if you call them) a free upgrade that is color matching to your camera. The Olympus E-100 is on the list! Also if you buy the Epson 785 and an Olympus camera they have a $100 rebate going on right now. The Epson 785 has a card reader but other than the card reader its the same printer as the 780. Steves digicams has a review of these printers. Like Scanners, a Digital Camera's output is dependant on many things. One of those is the Dynamic Range of the lense combined with formula's used for the interpolation. I learned a long time ago that a scanner with a high pixel count of software interpolation was more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. So what do you look for? Easy, Look for a good lense. The E-100 has it! Look for features you need! The E-100 has it! Look for added features you might not get anywhere else! The E-100 has it! The E-100 is in a Catagory by itself! No other Digital camera offers all these features esp for for the money at this time. Last but not least Chuck, and this may sound harsh hehe, But STOP THE FENCE SITTING AND JUST GO DO IT!
Your buddy,
Jason
JD,

This is exactly the type of thing I'm trying to determine. When
someone states that they found the prints
"great/decent/stunning/jaw-dropping/photo-quality" that really
doesn't tell a reader all that much.
Now when you say that you get
comparable prints with the E-100 to the 2100, that gives a little
more, much needed, info.
Other things I'd like to know is what steps did you take to print
these at 8x10?
I always set the camera at soft setting and then sharpen/add
contrast to my preference with an image edit program. The Unsharp
Mask in Qimage pro is excellent. Maybe not the absolute best
available but it certainly gives me very good control and excellent
results.

What Printer?

I use a HP 932C printer set at the 2400X1200 DPI setting and not at
HP's recommended "Ret lll" (photo quality) setting. I get better
results. Many others prefer Epson printers but I like HP
quality.(again this is subjective and debatable too) See printing
forums. I use Jet Print Professional glossy photo paper and also HP
Premium Plus gloss paper.I also refill my ink carts.

Did you use Bicubic upsampling in
Photoshop, or did you simply set the image dpi (or ppi...I always
forget) high enough so that it covered the requisite print size.
I use the max quality setting of Lanczos interpolation in Quimage
Pro for images that I determine are marginal to print at 8X10.

Many images can be printed without interpolation if it was captured
properly.(exposure was just right) I also prefer to use HP's
printing program. I think it is equal in print quality to Qimage
Pro with less hassle and more flexibility.
Bi cubic interpolation although good , isn't necessarily the better
interpolation. I think there is a general concensus thatl Qimage 's
Lanczos is superior.
Have you tried using Genuine Fractals on the E100 images? How
about Qimage's Max Lansczo (or whatever it's called) Interpolation?
Qimage's Lanzcos is excellent and hard to beat. It is my
understanding that GF is also good but was really
developed/intended for much larger uses.If you don't get GF with
the E-100rs then Quimage Pro would be a cost effective and
excellent addition to the camera's printing capability.
Like most of the people here, I imagine that my prints will usually
be below the magic 8x10 size....but if these are going to be my
only shots of my kids growing up (at least the next couple of
years) then I'd sure like them to be good enough to print at that
larger size.
I think they will be good enough. Unless you will be showing them
to a strictly pro audience , you will soon find that no one will
scutinize them more than yourself. If you wish, I'd be happy to
send you a 8X10 glossy (uninterpolated ) print ,one of
thousands,taken with my C2100 that I know would gain your
confidence. It might knock your socks off.(see what I mean about
using those terms?)

I have been shooting images of my grandchildren (8 months-13 yrs
old ) for well over a year now with digital (Olympus models) and am
overall very well satisfied. I am getting much more consistant good
quality images than film and all its lousy, costly,time consuming
developing ever produced for me.(definitely not subjective! ) I
rarely ever had good or consistant results with 35mm film .
I'm in those last stages before buying and starting to get cold
feet. I haven't had time at home yet to try some prints, and
frankly I'm still so new to the digital editing/printing game that
I'm not sure how much to trust my results (plus I don't have GF or
Qimage, although I think I'll dload the trial version
I did not have good trial results with Qimage. I paid the
$35.00(cheap,cheap,cheap) for it and think its the best $35.00 I
have spent in years.
Digital photography has changed my life somewhat.I am enjoying it
better than any other hobby I have had in my life.. I am totally
swept away by it as many others are. You will be too. I think it
is in the large part attributed to the versatility of the Olympus
10X IS lens on the E100 and 2100 models.
For you to back out now would possibly leave you always
wondering,wishing, and you will no doubt end up feeling like you
missed the boat. Who knows? You might even think about punishing
yourself for not being decisive enough.
Take my advice , go for it! You won't regret it one bit.
tonight...although it's pumpkin carving night...have to get the
high speed film out and in the old Nikon ...hope I get some good
shots...you never know with this film stuff :) ). I'm a little
worried that the E-100 is going to dissappear from the discount
channels here pretty soon.
Honestly, If I didn't already have a C2100, I would probably
consider the E-100.
Again....I really appreciate your thoughts and comments. Your
skepticism and candor are welcome.
Anytime, JD
Chuck
Hi Max and others,
I was indeed glad to retract some original comments regarding the
value of the E-100 pre capture and its ability to produce
acceptable 8X10's .
When describing enlargements (prints) there are key words used such
as acceptable, decent, near photo quality, good,
pleasing,excellent,stunning, high quality, photo quality,etc. by us
amateurs,advanced or whatever. Those words become very subjectable
to say the least.
Evidently, most of us (myself included) are willing to accept a
diminished lack detail/definition, in an enlargement (8X10 size +)
with a E-100 or a C2100 in exchange for other rarer/valuable
features that the cameras offer.
Getting high quality 8X10 prints with 1.5 MP's and even 1.9 MP's
defies any recognized or established printing standard regarding
the number of pixels per inch required when printing with dye sub
or inkjet. However these 2 Olympus models tend to allow us to
stretch those requirements significantly,but still only so far, and
I do think some people can and do go too far and fail to recognize
the inherent resolution limitations of their respective cameras.
I'm only wanting to put this in a perspective here and would want
any prospective buyers asking questions on the forum to understand
this also.
I mainly print only 8X10's and I have printed many hundreds of
them. I have become accustomed to quickly detecting/recognizing
pixellation( blockiness) printer differences, oversharpening, lack
of definition, etc.and still find myself being satisfied with many
enlarged prints from good quality low resolution cameras.
That being said , I am always aware of the level of quality my
prints are at, and able to appreciate the image subject itself ( at
times awesome, stunning, beautiful) and then analyzing the quality
separately. Sometimes wishing I had more Mp's.JD
 
Well....I apologize for subjecting all of you to my own little nuerosis. I am notorious amongst my family and friends for over-analyzing every significant purchase I make.

In this case, I'm glad I have hesitated...you have all provided some great insight into my purchase, and jump to digital. As I read the posts it FINALLY starts to sink in that the hobby of photography encompasses a lot more than producing the very best large print that you can. When you read reviews by professional photographers, and spend time at web sites like http://www.luminous-landscape.com or rod galbraith's site, you can lose perspective on why YOU (me that is) like to take pictures, and why you're buying a camera in the first place. It gives me a chance to record events, capture moments, excercise my creativity (that doesn't get much excercise in my job), share with friends and family.

I get myself in that "analytical bind" that Jay so eloquently described.

Everybody....Thank you so much for all the time and effort that you have put into this thread. I, and hopefully many others, have learned an awful lot from the "real users."

Chuck
 
...and it's one that I think about every now and then...
...how many 35mm photos did you ever have printed at 8x10?...

...now, hold on...sure, it's great to have the option with digital cameras and a printer, yet there is also the fact that we only have so much wall space...at least at our house...
...just a thought...
...best o' luck,
newby
 
Hi JD.

I've got a HP970Cxi (don't know if it has a different name in the US, the one that'll allow you to print duplex). I've only tried using the Photo Ret III setting. I thought it was optimized for photografic use. Any explanation as to why you get getter results at 2400x1200 Dpi?

Regards, Maxven
Chuckles, I'll attempt to answer/reply to your concerns below.

What Printer?

I use a HP 932C printer set at the 2400X1200 DPI setting and not at
HP's recommended "Ret lll" (photo quality) setting. I get better
results. Many others prefer Epson printers but I like HP
quality.(again this is subjective and debatable too) See printing
forums. I use Jet Print Professional glossy photo paper and also HP
Premium Plus gloss paper.I also refill my ink carts.

Anytime, JD
 
Weeeeeeeee, I finally beat Carmen to it!!!

Maxven
Carmen
Hi JD, it takes more of a man (politically incorrect, I know) to
admit he's wrong than to keep insisting he's right. Thanks for the
printing info. I haven't tried printing 8x10's with my E-100 yet,
but when it's coming from you, I guess there's no doubt anymore. ;-)

Regards, Maxven
 
You can be one eloquent guy!

Lots of good points being well stated in this thread.

Appreciatively,

Dave
 
Max,

They are pretty much the same printer. Yours could be a bit faster and have a better paper tray. The print engine should be identical though.

I think my printer allows double sided printing also but I do not have to required accessory attachment.

The printing at 2400X1200dpi vs Ret lll differs little in the amount of print time. I'm not sure but I believe it uses less ink at Ret lll method.

At 2400X1200 it produces a much better color depth and gradations. The difference is obvious when compared side by side.
I've got a HP970Cxi (don't know if it has a different name in the
US, the one that'll allow you to print duplex). I've only tried
using the Photo Ret III setting. I thought it was optimized for
photografic use. Any explanation as to why you get getter results
at 2400x1200 Dpi?

Regards, Maxven
Chuckles, I'll attempt to answer/reply to your concerns below.

What Printer?

I use a HP 932C printer set at the 2400X1200 DPI setting and not at
HP's recommended "Ret lll" (photo quality) setting. I get better
results. Many others prefer Epson printers but I like HP
quality.(again this is subjective and debatable too) See printing
forums. I use Jet Print Professional glossy photo paper and also HP
Premium Plus gloss paper.I also refill my ink carts.

Anytime, JD
I've got a HP970Cxi (don't know if it has a different name in the
US, the one that'll allow you to print duplex). I've only tried
using the Photo Ret III setting. I thought it was optimized for
photografic use. Any explanation as to why you get getter results
at 2400x1200 Dpi?

Regards, Maxven
Chuckles, I'll attempt to answer/reply to your concerns below.

What Printer?

I use a HP 932C printer set at the 2400X1200 DPI setting and not at
HP's recommended "Ret lll" (photo quality) setting. I get better
results. Many others prefer Epson printers but I like HP
quality.(again this is subjective and debatable too) See printing
forums. I use Jet Print Professional glossy photo paper and also HP
Premium Plus gloss paper.I also refill my ink carts.

Anytime, JD
 

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