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I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB. I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible? Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
 
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
I just bought a sony 1.7 p4 that has winxp home on it. The computer is wonderful. the system is buggy. when you come out of stby, there is a mysterious multicolored, like noise, icon in the upper left, every time. The outlook express insists on changing my server connection settings regularly. The modem connects at 34 max compared to 3 other computers at 43 to 48. The immplementation of the light version of adaptec sucks. The hardware is very good.... fast, sturdy, well built, and responsive as you would expect a 1.7 gh. winxp is a pain untill you revert it back to classic mode. the installed elements version steers you to what ms wants. i took it out. as to drivers, the epson 870 only installs partly, the hp k80 multifunction only installs part way. they seem to revert to a winxp built in mini driver that gives some functionality to these machines untill the mfg gets the new drivers out.... maybe by the time we see win 2002... canon has updated drivers for the s800 posted...the epson 875dc wont install, and i havent had the nerve to try my oly p400. in short i wouldnt do it unless you had to, unless you are dead positive that your programs and equipment is given an ok by Microsoft... this whole wintel thing is beginning to smell....looks like an orchestrated racheting of hardware, software needs, and software obsolesence, followed by another round of hardwaare up grades....if the drivers are not okayed, you get a message to the effect that they arent and you shouldnt install them,,,,, but you can...in some cases you get a refusal to install message and IT WONT. so research , reseaarch, research. BTW the things that do run on the machine are a pleasure to use, what with all that speed and memory...I have not had winxp crash, then i never had a lot of trouble with win98se. having lived with the new os for two weeks, would i put it on my other machines as upgrades,,,, NO.
 
To use your system memory with stability and effectiveness - go to Win2K. MS has never released an OS without problems that they have to go back and fix in the following 6 months to year. 2K has been out for almost 2 years now and is quite stable - with SP2 their latest batch of patches cleaning up most issues.

If you really want to be on the bleeding edge of software testing, then get XP, expect problems, wait for drivers to be updated, wait for MS to release patches, but hey, at least you could say that you have the latest OS on the market...

Unfortunately, depending on what you are doing, not much will take use of all the memory you have. Even with PS that sux down memory, you would be hard pressed to use more than 512Mb - unless you open several 150mb files at a time??? Having multiple programs will use more memory, and if you use something like VMWare, that would benefit greatly!! But at today's memory cost, it is easy to just get all that the mobo can handle and never worry about it again...

Good luck....
 
Thanks for the advice folks. I was afraid that the news would be to wait for a while.

I dual boot my system with Linux. Linux did require a kernal rebuild to use more than 1GB but that was it. Even a pile of patches and workarounds I could never get W98SE to work stably with more than 512MB.

I was hoping that XP would work because then I could do an upgrade rather than a fresh install as would be required by W2000. I've got a few applications that I would have to re-install which is a pain, especially since I've misplaced the license numbers to a few of them.

Thanks again.

Marty
 
Why can't you do an upgrade install from W98 to W2K? I don't see why that wouldn't work.

However, I would recommend a clean install either way. Upgrade installs rarely work perfectly, and generally end up using a big chunk of your hard-drive too (alot more than a clean install).

I agree that W2K would be a better solution at the moment. It always takes a few months for things to get smoothed out. Drivers for imaging products seem to take longer than other things too. Besides, XP is basically W2K with a few extra features.

BTW, I've been using XP Pro on a second computer since RC2 came out.
Thanks for the advice folks. I was afraid that the news would be to
wait for a while.

I dual boot my system with Linux. Linux did require a kernal
rebuild to use more than 1GB but that was it. Even a pile of
patches and workarounds I could never get W98SE to work stably with
more than 512MB.

I was hoping that XP would work because then I could do an upgrade
rather than a fresh install as would be required by W2000. I've got
a few applications that I would have to re-install which is a pain,
especially since I've misplaced the license numbers to a few of
them.

Thanks again.

Marty
 
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
I just bought a sony 1.7 p4 that has winxp home on it. The computer
is wonderful. the system is buggy. when you come out of stby, there
is a mysterious multicolored, like noise, icon in the upper left,
every time. The outlook express insists on changing my server
I have an old P3 733Mhz system and XP runs like a charm my record for XP Pro is 1 week 4 days 16 hours 23 seconds. It would of been longer if the battery backup did'nt die out in the middle of a 30 min power outage. Other then that XP has worked with everything I own. It went without a hitch as far as the setup goes and since I have a cracked activation version I did'nt have to deal with that part, the C80 installed without a hitch the 870 did too and so did Norton AntiVirus (with the minor exception of a patch that XP told me to get in order to make NAV work) and ZoneAlarm installed too (again XP told me theres a new version of zonealarm). I have nothing against XP so far I can bring it out of sleep mode and hibernation (my favorite part of 2000/XP). I run XP on my fairly new HP 5490 laptop I got and no problems there I'm using the Me to 2k upgrade pack and everything works like a charm. The modem,NIC,display,graphics,USB,speedstep,wireless logitech mouse. I honestly cant complain about XP yet and I have the final 2600 build.
connection settings regularly. The modem connects at 34 max
compared to 3 other computers at 43 to 48. The immplementation of
the light version of adaptec sucks. The hardware is very good....
I dont know if you're the same guy (that posted before about the modem being slow and blaming it on MS) but that whole "blame it on MS" when the company that made the product is clearly at fault is getting rather old and childish. Though I dont use a modem I would'nt attribute the drop in speed to XP simply because the company who made your modem decided to not optimize drivers for XP. Like I said I dont use a modem but I do use the high speed wireless internet (www.netbeam.net) and I dont get any complaints yet.
fast, sturdy, well built, and responsive as you would expect a 1.7
gh. winxp is a pain untill you revert it back to classic mode. the
Fast, yep its supposedly 38% faster then Windows Me is. Sturdy HECK YEAH 1 week 4 day uptime. Responsive is also true and this is on my P3 733 which I might go to a 1.4Ghz AMD or Intel soon.
installed elements version steers you to what ms wants. i took it
Luna is'nt too bad I love the silver verson of luna or even the green version and it rocks but yeah XP in regular mode is pretty plain jane it looks like Windows 2000.
out. as to drivers, the epson 870 only installs partly, the hp k80
multifunction only installs part way. they seem to revert to a
Like I said if you install the windows 2000 Epson 870 driver it WILL work. Though there are'nt any XP optimized drivers for printer/scanners etc MS said 2000 drivers WILL work with XP. The k80 I cant vouch for since I dont need an all in one machine but I'm guessing that either HP has XP drivers out on their site OR windows 2000 drivers will work just fine.
winxp built in mini driver that gives some functionality to these
machines untill the mfg gets the new drivers out.... maybe by the
time we see win 2002... canon has updated drivers for the s800
Umm this IS windows 2002 (if you dont believe me take a look at the boxes for the Office XP stuff (down towards the bottom right they say its a 2002 edition).
posted...the epson 875dc wont install, and i havent had the nerve
to try my oly p400. in short i wouldnt do it unless you had to,
I've heard the 875 WONT INSTALL so this IS true. The p400 I dont know but you never know.
unless you are dead positive that your programs and equipment is
given an ok by Microsoft... this whole wintel thing is beginning to
smell....looks like an orchestrated racheting of hardware, software
needs, and software obsolesence, followed by another round of
hardwaare up grades....if the drivers are not okayed, you get a
message to the effect that they arent and you shouldnt install
them,,,,, but you can...in some cases you get a refusal to install
With the exception of DOS and early Windows 95/98 based programs then yeah they'd HAVE to be certified by MS but any program that claims Me/2000 support WILL run on XP. Though if you get any troubles either XP will tell you about a patch or more recent edition or it can run it in compatability mode. In no way does XP let a defunct program such as an old edition of NAV or ZoneAlarm run on your system and what I mean by that is it probably will let you install it but after its installed it WILL tell you its disabled it cos it will cause XP to do some spooky things.
message and IT WONT. so research , reseaarch, research. BTW the
things that do run on the machine are a pleasure to use, what with
all that speed and memory...I have not had winxp crash, then i
never had a lot of trouble with win98se. having lived with the new
os for two weeks, would i put it on my other machines as
upgrades,,,, NO.
I had my fair share of 98 crashes so thats why I went to 2000 and for some reason 2-3 days is my best uptime and anything beyond that did'nt exist. I'd say if you're going from 95/98(SE) Me its definately worth it to go get XP and install it but make sure you have a decent system to run it and not some P2 333 with 64MB ram. If I had to choose to upgrade all my systems I'd give it the HECK YEAH!!! though I encountered some problems networking 2000 on my desktop and XP on my laptop (they would'nt see eachother) I went XP on both my systems and so far so good been running the final version WAY before you all could get your hands on a "bring your PC to gateway stores and we'll load XP on for $99 on it deal".
 
I have 384 ram on my desktop (maxed out cos its a crappy HP mobo) and 256MB of ram on my laptop which I might consider going to 512MB. On 256MB ram XP runs FAST, watch DVD's in full screen, play directx or openGL based games like half life and red alert. Playing around in PS is'nt bad at all.
 
Why can't you do an upgrade install from W98 to W2K? I don't see
why that wouldn't work.

However, I would recommend a clean install either way. Upgrade
installs rarely work perfectly, and generally end up using a big
chunk of your hard-drive too (alot more than a clean install).

I agree that W2K would be a better solution at the moment. It
always takes a few months for things to get smoothed out. Drivers
for imaging products seem to take longer than other things too.
Besides, XP is basically W2K with a few extra features.

BTW, I've been using XP Pro on a second computer since RC2 came out.
Theres always gonna be bugs but I'd recommend if you have a second PC to load XP on it and run it and see if it all works. I've been using XP since beta 3 or RC2 (around the 2300-2400 builds)
 
Why can't you do an upgrade install from W98 to W2K? I don't see
why that wouldn't work.
I didn't think you could upgrade to W2K from W98. I'm a Linux/Unix person so just believed the salesdroid. I guess I should know better.

I think I'm going to buy a new disk, make an image copy to it so that I can swap it back in if things go wrong, and do a W2K upgrade.

Thanks for the advice...

Marty
 
Hi Marty,

I've been using Windows XP Professional since August and my advice would be to check if your hardware is compatible, then go for it.

I moved from 95 -> 98 -> 2000 -> XP, and XP is definitely the best so far, with 2000 a close second.

Epson haven't yet posted Windows XP drivers, but I am using the Win2000 driver for my 1290 without any problems. Photoshop works fine; I've no idea about Qimage.

Hope that helps,

Graham
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
 
Dear all

The 875DC does work with WinXP. The onething that didn't work too well is the card reader (but I didn't give it a try because I already have an external card reader connected to the computer).

I didn't use the "setup.exe" (what ever the installation is named). I just install it as a device driver.

-Khanh
posted...the epson 875dc wont install, and i havent had the nerve
to try my oly p400. in short i wouldnt do it unless you had to,
I've heard the 875 WONT INSTALL so this IS true. The p400 I dont
know but you never know.
 
Love XP, fast and stable. Epson 780 works fine with win2k drivers.

Morris
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
 
I kinow a software company which has installed Windows XP for testing purposes so I wouldn't call the experience an upgrade. Basically XP is aimed at consumers -- voice chat and all that stuff -- and doesn't offer any real advantages for most business purposes.

On the performance side, I doubt that moving to Windows XP will result in increased performance -- the OS makes more demands so it's likely to run slower not faster. And at any rate your extra memory is well into the area where the boost for more memory approaches zero.

On the other hand, if you like living dangerously and have lots of time to waste if the upgrade results in odd behavior of some programs or your system, which is probable though not certain, wasting $100 might be a fine idea. Then again, you could ensure against wasting time running down obscure conflicts and BIOS nightmares by just donating the money to some deserving charity :-).

But if senile dementia has seriously set in and you're intent on swithcing OS's without a license, I think you will be very pleased to find that one area in which you should not have many problems is printer drivers. XP does a good job on these, and Windows 2000 has helped pave the way.
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.
 
I can think of no good reason not to upgrade from Win 98 to Windows XP, unless your PC is not powerful enough. If you have at least 128 MB RAM (preferably 256 MB or more for digital photography) and a Pentium 500 or better, go for it. You will get many different opinions if you ask people on these forums, but I recommend you only listen to the ones from people who actually use Windows XP (no offense to anyone who hasn't).

Windows XP is finished now and no longer in beta (it's due in stores Oct. 25). It is very stable and reliable. You can only learn that by using it.

I've used Windows XP since Microsoft released Beta 2 last Feb., and now I'm running the final version on four different PCs (two with 512 MB of RAM). I print my photos on an Epson Photo Stylus 1270, and Epson's Win 2000 driver works just fine (all Win 2000 drivers work fine with Windows XP). I process my photos with Adobe Photoshop Elements, and that runs great too in Win XP.

Take it from an experienced XP user, there is no reason to wait to upgrade, as long as you have adequate hardware.

One final (optional) tip: I recommend doing a clean (new) installation of Windows XP, rather than an upgrade. I view this as a way of giving my hard drive a good spring cleaning. A clean install doesn't force the new operating system to try and work with all the old software and utilities most people have installed on their PC. It does require you to reinstall all your applications after you load Windows XP, but you won't lose any data, since a clean install does not delete anything from your hard drive. You should always backup critical files before you upgrade your operating sytem, of course.
  • John Swenson
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
 
I can think of no good reason not to upgrade from Win 98 to
Windows XP, unless your PC is not powerful enough. If you have at
least 128 MB RAM (preferably 256 MB or more for digital
photography) and a Pentium 500 or better, go for it. You will get
many different opinions if you ask people on these forums, but I
recommend you only listen to the ones from people who actually use
Windows XP (no offense to anyone who hasn't).

Windows XP is finished now and no longer in beta (it's due in
stores Oct. 25). It is very stable and reliable. You can only learn
that by using it.

I've used Windows XP since Microsoft released Beta 2 last Feb., and
now I'm running the final version on four different PCs (two with
512 MB of RAM). I print my photos on an Epson Photo Stylus 1270,
and Epson's Win 2000 driver works just fine (all Win 2000 drivers
work fine with Windows XP). I process my photos with Adobe
Photoshop Elements, and that runs great too in Win XP.

Take it from an experienced XP user, there is no reason to wait to
upgrade, as long as you have adequate hardware.

One final (optional) tip: I recommend doing a clean (new)
installation of Windows XP, rather than an upgrade. I view this as
a way of giving my hard drive a good spring cleaning. A clean
install doesn't force the new operating system to try and work with
all the old software and utilities most people have installed on
their PC. It does require you to reinstall all your applications
after you load Windows XP, but you won't lose any data, since a
clean install does not delete anything from your hard drive. You
should always backup critical files before you upgrade your
operating sytem, of course.
  • John Swenson
John,
Ihave question for you: I want to install larger hard drive ,before upgrading.

Do I have to, in this case, to install full version of Home Edition xp, or can I use xp upgrade version ??I have all hardware requirements.
Thanks in advance . Norman
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows XP so that I can more
effectively use the RAM I just bought and take my machine to 1.5GB.
I am currently running Windows 98SE.

Has anyone done the upgrade? Are Epson printers/drivers compatible?
Photoshop? Qimage?

Thanks a bunch.
 
Whether you need the full version of upgrade version of Windows XP depends on whether you want to install your hard drive as a second hard drive or a new primary drive that will contain your new operating system. I assume you want to do the latter, and put XP on your new hard drive.

I suggest making your current hard drive a second, backup hard drive. You have to set the jumpers to "slave" for this to work, and make your new hard drive the "master" drive. After you do this, turn your PC on and boot up with new Windows XP disk in your CD-ROM drive. You'll need to set your BIOS to boot your computer from the CD drive. Then do a clean install of Windows XP on your new hard drive. I think the Windows XP setup program will allow you to use the upgrade version of Windows XP, as long as it can see your old copy of Windows on your second hard drive.

If this sounds a little complicated, it is. If you aren't experienced enough to know what you're doing, I suggest finding a computer geek friend to help you. It's more than I can probably explain well in email.

John Swenson
Ihave question for you: I want to install larger hard drive ,before
upgrading.
Do I have to, in this case, to install full version of Home Edition
xp, or can I use xp upgrade version ??I have all hardware
requirements.
Thanks in advance . Norman
 
Telling everyone they need to rush out and upgrade to XP borders on the irresponsible. You seem to be suggesting that since you have XP running on three machines you "know" that it will work for everyone. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Generally you'd need at least a hundred installations in separate locations before you'd begin to feel comfortable at all making these kinds of claims. Three is not a test, especially when the installations are done on one person's machines -- the configurations and programs which are running will usually be too similar.

I've used XP. I find it has has no compelling features, and you haven't mentioned any. I find it no more stable than 2000 or NT, both of which have been around for years.

On the conflict front, it seems to have the same number of conflicts as other versions of Windows -- meaning it won't work with all existing programs. For instance, XP will not work with 16 bit programs using ATC configurable toolbars. And -- you may not have tested for this -- you will not be able to print from any 16 bit program using the Epson drivers. We won't even start to address the DOS program issues.

This is beginning to fall into the "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" category. How many times will a whole bunch of people who can barely install a printer driver end up installing an OS upgrade and end up having to take their computers into the repair shop? I have seen it happen too many times to count.

I'm sure you are very computer savvy and find messing around with the insides of computers a fun hobby. But 99% of all computer users don't fall into that category. For you XP may make sense. For them a different calculus may be in order.
I can think of no good reason not to upgrade from Win 98 to
Windows XP, unless your PC is not powerful enough.
 
I stand by my earlier statement. I don't think everyone should rush out and buy Windows XP. I only recommend it for Windows users who have a fairly new PC (built in the last two years) with at least a Pentium III 500 (or equivalent) processor and at least 128 MB of RAM. And I don't think anyone already running Windows 2000 needs to upgrade, since Windows 2000 is already very stable and contains almost as nice a user interface as Windows XP.

The problem with Windows 98 and ME is they are not anywhere near as stable and reliable as Win 2000 or Win XP. You have to use Win 98 or ME and then upgrade to understand how big of an improvement Win 2000 and XP are over them. If you are processing hundreds of digital photographs (as I do), you need a stable operating system like Windows XP (or Mac OS 10.1).

More comments below.

John Swenson
Telling everyone they need to rush out and upgrade to XP borders on
the irresponsible. You seem to be suggesting that since you have XP
running on three machines you "know" that it will work for
everyone. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Generally you'd need at least a hundred installations in separate
locations before you'd begin to feel comfortable at all making
these kinds of claims. Three is not a test, especially when the
installations are done on one person's machines -- the
configurations and programs which are running will usually be too
similar.
I wasn't talking about IT pros migrating hundreds of corporate desktops to Windows XP, just home users upgrading one or two PCs!
I've used XP. I find it has has no compelling features, and you
haven't mentioned any.
Saying Windows XP has no compelling features is like saying the Nikon D1X has no compelling features. I don't have time to even begin to explain them all (details at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp ), and this is a site about digital photography, not computers.
I find it no more stable than 2000 or NT,
both of which have been around for years.
True, Windows NT 4.0 is stable, but it is woefully out of date in other ways. It will never work with all the latest hardware, for example.
On the conflict front, it seems to have the same number of
conflicts as other versions of Windows -- meaning it won't work
with all existing programs. For instance, XP will not work with 16
bit programs using ATC configurable toolbars. And -- you may not
have tested for this -- you will not be able to print from any 16
bit program using the Epson drivers. We won't even start to address
the DOS program issues.
I don't have any desire to run old 16-bit Windows programs (much less DOS software!), so I won't address that. All the applications I use (Photoshop Elements, ULead Photo Explorer Pro 7.0, Office XP) were released within the past year. I can't stand old, out-of-date software, just like I can't stand old, out-of-date digital cameras.

If you want to run old Windows programs and DOS software, by all means stick with Windows 95. There's nothing wrong with keeping an old PC around to run old programs, but I think most people would agree that new software is generally better.
This is beginning to fall into the "Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me" category. How many times will a whole
bunch of people who can barely install a printer driver end up
installing an OS upgrade and end up having to take their computers
into the repair shop? I have seen it happen too many times to count.

I'm sure you are very computer savvy and find messing around with
the insides of computers a fun hobby. But 99% of all computer users
don't fall into that category. For you XP may make sense. For them
a different calculus may be in order.
I admit I do spend a fair amount of time messing around with computers, but you are implying one needs to be a computer expert to successfully upgrade to Windows XP. Far from it.
I can think of no good reason not to upgrade from Win 98 to
Windows XP, unless your PC is not powerful enough.
 

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