Focusing with Haoda split screen

BTW: When the people order the screen. They
can choose if the screen need the shims or not.
We have two versions. They have their own advantages.
So please do not misunderstand as Haoda's screen do not
need the copper shims.

Thanks a lot.
Haoda

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Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
 
Hi,

Can you briefly summarise the pros and cons of the shim vs shim-free versions?

I am in the process of purchasing, so this is a very pertinent issue.

Thanks
Elia

P.S. I am to buy for a 20D
BTW: When the people order the screen. They
can choose if the screen need the shims or not.
We have two versions. They have their own advantages.
So please do not misunderstand as Haoda's screen do not
need the copper shims.

Thanks a lot.
Haoda

--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
--
Elia Vecellio
[email protected]
http://www.eliavecellio.com
 
Shim pros:

One screen fits all cameras of a series, regardless of the number or thinkness of shims.

Shim-free pros:

Easier installation, and less risk of damaging the shim. None of these seem really important, as any normal person should be able to install the screen either way, without damaging the shim. Storing the shim outside the camera can damage it as well if you're not careful.

But without the shim, I believe it's easier to align the screen correctly. That's because with the shim in place everything is a bit less stable.

To sum it up: as long as the screen works with your camera, it doesn't matter at all.
Can you briefly summarise the pros and cons of the shim vs
shim-free versions?

I am in the process of purchasing, so this is a very pertinent issue.

Thanks
Elia

P.S. I am to buy for a 20D
BTW: When the people order the screen. They
can choose if the screen need the shims or not.
We have two versions. They have their own advantages.
So please do not misunderstand as Haoda's screen do not
need the copper shims.

Thanks a lot.
Haoda

--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
--
Elia Vecellio
[email protected]
http://www.eliavecellio.com
 
I've bought it too. Disapponted.

1. It's almost inpossible to perfectly align this screen on 20D (Haoda told me that it's normal for 20D, thanks)

2. I did not see a big difference between a screen from Haoda and a normal screen for 20D

3. I've bought a chip which costs me cheaper than Haoda's screen and with this chip I simply use Canon AF system on all my MF lenses :)

just check here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572161911
 
2. I did not see a big difference between a screen from Haoda and a
normal screen for 20D
Really? I have the 350D, and 20D does, as i understand it, have a larger view. Maybe you don't need it at all then. I find the new screen makes a big difference. From barely useful, to fully operational.
3. I've bought a chip which costs me cheaper than Haoda's screen
and with this chip I simply use Canon AF system on all my MF lenses
:)
That's interesting... but it doesn't solve my beef with Canons generally so so autofocus. I use the split screen to confirm that the autofocus is correct too.
 
...if we have a focal length of 100 mm and are focused at a
distance of 10 meters, then an misplacement of the focuing screen
of 0.01 mm will cause the object plane of focus to shift by about
100 mm!

No wonder Canon has shims whose thickness varies by 0.002 or 0.003
mm steps over most of their range (11 shims altogether).
Please critique the following discussion:

Screen position is critical, as Doug has explained above.

Manufacturing tolerances(Canon's) are such that the camera/screen pairing may produce a "fit" anywhere between two extremes, ..camera/screen "too tight", ...camera/screen "too loose".

"Anywhere between" becomes the issue.

Thus, a range of shim-sizes, to be used to fit the PARTICULAR screen and PARTICULAR body being discussed.

Assume(momentarily) that the Haoda screen has a manufacturing tolerance of zero. Unless its thickness exactly matches that of the Canon screen being re-placed, using the original shim will NOT "match" the camera/screen fit of the original factory assembly.

If Haoda has a "manufacturing tolerance" greater-than-zero, which is certainly the case, the Haoda screen would need its own "matched to this PARTICULAR body" shim, ...or there will be a mis-match.

When both screen and shim, IN COMBINATION, must match a particular body, to a design-point fit,...then shim must be custom-fitted to screen.

Instruction from Haoda to "just use the original shim" can easily be incorrect., if screen thickness is different from original Canon screen.

Corrections/comment welcome, ;-)

Larry
 
Hi,
do not get confused. His alignmnet mean center
circle centered. It is hard. It is hard for ALL of the
aftermark screens.

Now let me explain the alignmnet issue. Actually, this is normal
for 20D. Since if I make the screen the same size as the pit, you can
not put it in. If it can be put in, it must be undersized. If it undersized
there must be an alignment isssue. As I said on my ebay,
they may be not perfect lineup. All the similar products on the market
have this issue too. Since my screen is undersized, you
you can do the fine alignment to fix this problem, you can
install your screen, without the metal bracket, shaking your camera
or use your tweezers to move the screen a little bit WHILE looking through
the viewfinder.(Put the camera upside down). When it is ok, install the bracket.

Best,
Haoda

--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
 
If Haoda has a "manufacturing tolerance" greater-than-zero, which
is certainly the case, the Haoda screen would need its own
"matched to this PARTICULAR body" shim, ...or there will be a
mis-match.
Haoda's screen has a thickness of zero, just like the Canon screen. The thickness does't matter very much since you only 'see' the matted part and that is resting against the shim.

Unless I'm very much mistaken.

Arjen.
 
Haoda.

I did not say that you product is bad. it's quite good and usefull, but there are many "but" :)

For me an autofocus confirmation from a Canon Module seems to be better and when I tried to compare a native screen with you split screen... I can say that with a normal screen I can focus almost as good as with a split screen (probably a bit slower) and my viewfinder is not "overloaded". Anyway a viewfinder of almost every DSLR with APS-C sensor-size is a big compromise. I've installed your screen... and soon returned to a native one. Now I use Canon AF system and control it with my eyes.
 
Hi,
The screen is designed by an optical engineer
who works in Canon service center. We have
thoursands of screens sold out and thoursands
of happy customers around the world. Quick
google search, you can find lots of positive
reviews. Search my ebay account, I have 100%
positive feedback for 3 years.
For more technique questions, please contact
me [email protected] or visit my yahoo group.
Again, thank you for your interest.
Best,
Haoda
--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
 
Yep, I understand your points.
I think it is still useful to put the information and
tell people how to make the center circle centered.

BTW: Your recommendation on the chip are REALLY
interesting. I am planing to buy one. You know,
I never know this magic stuff. How can you find it? :)
Thanks a lot.
Haoda
--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
 
I totally agree with STFM.
First let me appreciate your effort on the reviews.
It must be invaluable to dpreviers :)

The shim and not shim is not a big deal for the customers.
Once it works, once the seller has a good reputation to
guarantee it works. The shim or not shim means nothing
to the customer :)

Again, thank you for your questions and support.
Haoda

--
Haoda Fu
Haoda Split Image Focusing Screen On Canon DSLR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/screen4DSLR/
 
...the rest is sales-pitch.

Would 25% get you a passing grade at Nankai U? (I'm sure it wouldn't at UOW.)

I do not wish to appear disrespectfully antagonistic, ...but OTOH, I don't wish to be disrespectfully brushed-off, either.

Giving me directions to other addresses for answers to questions asked in THIS forum,...doesn't inform other members HERE. Evasivness when asked simple questions by potential customers can begin to smell fishy.

"Fishy" is not a good smell for a business.

Will/can you answer the other 3 questions?

I know there are others who are interested, because I have received private e-mail saying so, after posting the questions the first time.

Larry
Hi,
The screen is designed by an optical engineer
who works in Canon service center. We have
thoursands of screens sold out and thoursands
of happy customers around the world. Quick
google search, you can find lots of positive
reviews. Search my ebay account, I have 100%
positive feedback for 3 years.
For more technique questions, please contact
me [email protected] or visit my yahoo group.
For your convenience, I repeat the questions here -
"What distinguishes the HF screen from others on the market?
What country is this screen manufactured in?
What licensing or patents apply(or should apply) and who owns them?
 
I assume you mean that it is only one face of the screen that has to be correctly positioned.

I have not been "inside" this equipment, but my assumption is this:

There is some aspect of this 'fitting' that requires a match between components, ...not just a spring-clip "push"-effect, which would assure face-to-face contact. Otherwise, why would Canon need to offer an assortment of shim sizes, rather than just a one-size-fits-all "pusher"?

Willing to be educated, :-)

Larry
If Haoda has a "manufacturing tolerance" greater-than-zero, which
is certainly the case, the Haoda screen would need its own
"matched to this PARTICULAR body" shim, ...or there will be a
mis-match.
Haoda's screen has a thickness of zero, just like the Canon screen.
The thickness does't matter very much since you only 'see' the
matted part and that is resting against the shim.
 
I don't have much interest in jumping in on this, but if you'll read his post he asks you to ask the questions by email or on his yahoo group if you'd like more answers. I believe this is on account of past threads being removed here as violating selling a product posting clauses. Give the guy a break!
--
Ken W
Rebel XT, DSC-S85, and a whole lot of 35mm and 4x5 sitting in the closet...
 

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