I think the discussion would continue across both forums if the "peeping" forum did exist. The whole thought was kind of a joke more than anything. But I do think it's important to bring up all sides of an issue, for that is truest of methods in which to learn.
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Drum Roll: Dynamic Range WHAT?
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Rich Dykmans
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Damn, this is sounding pretty good. I kind of like this "mad scientist" marketing approach . . .
Especially the "turning them all into mush" part.
I'll give you ten bucks for it!
Especially the "turning them all into mush" part.
I'll give you ten bucks for it!
For starters, I discussed my preference for getting it right in camera which is my preference, versus fixing it after the fact which appears to be yours.
The only way I could "teach" you anything with you example is to send you outside with a handheld meter, camera, and lens, and show you how to use filters and lighting to highlight what you want before you even press the shutter.
We're approaching the same issue from different directions. Ultimately a shooter will use the method that works for them. You use yours, I'll use mine.
And no, I see no need to head to the fire exit.
The only way I could "teach" you anything with you example is to send you outside with a handheld meter, camera, and lens, and show you how to use filters and lighting to highlight what you want before you even press the shutter.
We're approaching the same issue from different directions. Ultimately a shooter will use the method that works for them. You use yours, I'll use mine.
And no, I see no need to head to the fire exit.
Rich Dykmans
Veteran Member
It will be because half the posts are yours.
You're just killing me!
I'll give you $15 for flexranger, you've earned it!
You're just killing me!
I'll give you $15 for flexranger, you've earned it!
Rich Dykmans
Veteran Member
I think it's: "another one bites the dust"
Malcolm101962
Senior Member
The Noise-to-Signal Ratio increases by the hour! Claims v. counterclaims and no evidence presented. It is obvious to me that many have become so enamored with the minutiae of the picture MAKING process that they have lost touch with the picture TAKING and PRODUCING processes. It is truly sad to see arguments over details that cannot be detected in the final prints by critical viewers. (Don't tell me you can - I know different).
I'm sure this debate strokes the egos of those who have prostrated themselves over the holy grails of dynamic range measurements, sharpness algorithms, and fuzzy logic processing. However, in the end, IF THEY ARE HONEST WITH US AND THEMSELVES, they'll have to admit that they haven't advanced the science of photography one iota except in their own minds. They sincerely believe they are far and above the rest of us in knowledge. But: have you ever seen them produce an awesome photo as proof? I didn't think so. Artistry and composition (FAR more important that technical perfection) are so far away from this conversation as to be irrelevent.
Just so you know I'm not all hot air:
Malcolm
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I'm sure this debate strokes the egos of those who have prostrated themselves over the holy grails of dynamic range measurements, sharpness algorithms, and fuzzy logic processing. However, in the end, IF THEY ARE HONEST WITH US AND THEMSELVES, they'll have to admit that they haven't advanced the science of photography one iota except in their own minds. They sincerely believe they are far and above the rest of us in knowledge. But: have you ever seen them produce an awesome photo as proof? I didn't think so. Artistry and composition (FAR more important that technical perfection) are so far away from this conversation as to be irrelevent.
Just so you know I'm not all hot air:
Malcolm
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De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum
dchao
Veteran Member
Even if you sell me a copy of your software, I am still not the owner of this software, I hope you know that! What I do have is the rights of using it on my PC, and the terms are set out on your license agreement I need to agree upon before I install it on my PC.
For example, you've sold many copies of FlexSharp for $25 each and many people here have received copies from you, but FlexSharp is still "proprietary" and it's still yours, no one is going to take that away from you. You are always the owner of the source code until you transfer (sell) the ownership of source code to someone else.
Phil might have objected you selling FlexSharp openly here on
his forum. But the to provide trial versions or subset of the software for members to test and share their experience is not against the forum rules. By sharing, you get far more feedbacks than working on your own. Kind of like the open source approach.
I don't understand if you have something that's very marketable, why keep it a secret? I am sure most of the people here are very honest and will happily "donate" something to your PayPal a/c if we find it useful indeed.
I'd just like to see an actual, real world photo where this D.R. machine has done some good. And then the RAW file would be helpful, so people could determine wether the effect can be produced easily with other methods or not...
Just curious, because it seems to me that if it is actually what is claimed, it could be sold to a company like Phase One, Pixmantec, Adobe, they could incorporate it into their RAW converters, and the seller could retire early.
I know that's what I'd be doing if I had such an invention.
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Just curious, because it seems to me that if it is actually what is claimed, it could be sold to a company like Phase One, Pixmantec, Adobe, they could incorporate it into their RAW converters, and the seller could retire early.
I know that's what I'd be doing if I had such an invention.
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http://www.pbase.com/r_p
Malcolm101962
Senior Member
Most egotistical post ever! COME ON! Show us some proof. So far all I've seen is vaporware! Put up or shut up.
Malcolm
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Malcolm
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dchao
Veteran Member
I also wish Ferenc could do very well financially from his little invention, but if his is really under some kind of NDA with any of the above companies, then he shouldn't be even talking about it openly here. If in fact, no one is serious about his software, maybe he should start to get some feedback so he know how to improve his software. There are also many blogging software to let him setup a group of private testers to exchange information, if he wishes to be under the radar.
There is no need to conduct a DR test here and when confronted by people about the validity of the test, could not provide the facts to back it up.
There is no need to conduct a DR test here and when confronted by people about the validity of the test, could not provide the facts to back it up.
Malcolm101962
Senior Member
Smoke and mirrors. Profit is not the motive, ego is.
Malcolm
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Malcolm
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andrea buso
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Larry H. Smith
Veteran Member
Ante wrote:
Despite the fine example of the very thread you are posting in, you have got nearly everything wrong!
Among the many faults of your "contributions":
No pomposity.
No hyperbole.
No bombast.
No condescension.
No insults.
No challenges.
No egotism.
No dismisiveness.
No bragging.
No derogatory characterizations.
No allusions to esoteric mystery-knowledge.
No inferiority feelings-based claims of matchless superiority.
(I'm sure I've missed a few.)
What in the world can you be thinking? The idea that you can experience communicative success without the very meat-and-potatoes of the process is laughable(except that is difficult to laugh while feeling such pity.)
Somehow you seem to have missed the fact that you (and everyone else) are each other's enemies and competitors. You being something requires that all others be nothing.
Please, Please!, for your own sake(and ours!) ...get with the program!
Larry (...guess I should throw this in somewhere >
Yeechh! I think I'm gonna be sick.
Despite the fine example of the very thread you are posting in, you have got nearly everything wrong!
Among the many faults of your "contributions":
No pomposity.
No hyperbole.
No bombast.
No condescension.
No insults.
No challenges.
No egotism.
No dismisiveness.
No bragging.
No derogatory characterizations.
No allusions to esoteric mystery-knowledge.
No inferiority feelings-based claims of matchless superiority.
(I'm sure I've missed a few.)
What in the world can you be thinking? The idea that you can experience communicative success without the very meat-and-potatoes of the process is laughable(except that is difficult to laugh while feeling such pity.)
Somehow you seem to have missed the fact that you (and everyone else) are each other's enemies and competitors. You being something requires that all others be nothing.
Please, Please!, for your own sake(and ours!) ...get with the program!
Larry (...guess I should throw this in somewhere >
PIXSurgeon
Veteran Member
...It's NOT an achievement: instead of growing in SUBSTANCE, it grows in volume, with all sorts of hypothetical and divergent re-buttals.
This particular thread is ramping-up towards the 150+ mark, again, but not necessarily for the right reasons, though... :-/
See you then...
This particular thread is ramping-up towards the 150+ mark, again, but not necessarily for the right reasons, though... :-/
See you then...
Larry H. Smith
Veteran Member
PIXSurgeon
Veteran Member
...I cracked-up here... I could not stopy laughing (in a good sense), though!
Because of this, I will post some samples (basic screen shots, etc.), later during the day. Even though, this is a PROPRIETARY product, I must warn you that your most recent bid ($15) will not even get you a bacon roll, on this party.
Stay tuned!
Julia Borg
Veteran Member
don't you get it? we are trolling here!
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PIXSurgeon
Veteran Member
...And I like it that way, in the mean time. Hope you do not mind, though...
I will be doing so... but not even remotely because of your petition, though.
...Ehmm... So far, I believe that I am the only one entitled, on this thread, to say that. There are other folks from which I would affirmatively acknolwedge such request, a few of them are here participating, and many others are out. I do not recall you being, even remotely, on such list. No-pounding intended, here.
Larry H. Smith
Veteran Member
I often find myself hoping that it is as you describe it, ...an "approach".
Otherwise the humor loses a bit of its sparkle. ;-)
Larry
Otherwise the humor loses a bit of its sparkle. ;-)
Larry
Larry H. Smith
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don't you get it? we are trolling here!
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