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LOL. You are citing an issue with a long-discontinued body from a couple Canon generations ago while ignoring the "fiasco" of D2X bodies that are dying right now, as well as very recent advisories on other Nikon DSLR bodies? LOL.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05092801nikonadvisory.asp
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=15378770
Don't hold your breath. The D2H was replaced by the D2Hs, but the noise was the same. The D1X was introduced in 2001. The D2X was introduced four years later in 2005. Don't expect a D3X until after 2007 at the earliest. And by then, Nikon could possibly just throw in the towel and go FF, especially after they see Canon introduce their 4th successful FF DSLR some time in 2006 (the next 1-series body).
Duh? Based on the physical depth of field characteristics of FF, and the numerous reports from the many new buyers of the 5D. Besides, I'm just as much dispelling misconceptions and mis-information as anything else. Do I have to shoot 5000 frames on a 5D to tell you that the 5D has a magnesium alloy body with a larger viewfinder and a 17 frame RAW buffer buffering 13mp FF images-- which puts it > > slightly
I don't think you have to have used a D2H to tell someone that the 5D is a different big entirely: FF, 13mp, lower noise, etc. That's not to say that the 5D is "the best". I've never said such a thing. But I am dispelling the inaccurate notion that the 5D is just a 20D or D70 with a $3300 price tag and a FF sensor stuffed into it. Why do you have a problem with that?
Julia Borg
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LOL. You are incorrigable with your non-sequitors and asides. Look at my original messages (responses to your messages) in this thread and you'll see that I wasn't recommending any camera at all.
That's probably the only accurate thing I've ever seen you write.
Peter is mostly a lot of hot air. Raging against and raving about cameras he has never used. Of course he would never post any of his own images to show how much of a photographer he is or use his real name. No, he's just a Canon commercial on constant repeat.
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Ed
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What, did the D2Hs suddenly become a high-ISO champ? I don't think so.
I think market forces are going to eventually drive Nikon to finally introduce a FF body of their own. Remember, it took Nikon about 5 years to introduce IS/VR lenses of their own, and the previous generation had never used IS/VR lenses before. The same will follow with an eventual Nikon FF DSLR introduction. The naysayers will embrace it, and it will be a welcomed option to have. Nikon will want to follow the money, plain and simple. Besides, this generation is getting a taste of FF, and it's only going to grow more popular as it becomes ever more affordable. The cat is out of the bag. It's been out of the bag for some time, but now it's simply at a much more affordable level. Nikon can try to ignore it, but I don't think it's going to do them any good. Besides, I don't think APS is ever going to go away. It will be relegated to lower-end bodies, with higher-end bodies probably offering FF with internal crop modes. But the perception (quite probably promoted by the Canon powerhouse) is that APS-only is strickly lower-end, and why have one when you can have both? That might sound terribly disheartening, but I think we all know how well Canon is at marketing. Just look at how much we all love our IS/VR lenses-- that awful Canon "gimmick" that non-IS/VR users used to decry.
Ed
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What I find very interesting is what Nikon did with the D50. Real, actual, reliable and great looking noise improvements. So maybe there is something to your hunch. Nikon certainly has proven then can figure out the noise question.
I have used a D50 alongside a 5D and noise wise the D50 pretty much keeps up. In the worst case scenes, the 5D pulls ahead a bit. Which is nice of course because I paid a hell of a lot more for it!
I have used a D50 alongside a 5D and noise wise the D50 pretty much keeps up. In the worst case scenes, the 5D pulls ahead a bit. Which is nice of course because I paid a hell of a lot more for it!
I often find myself using the D2H in low light over the D70 (in spite of the D2H's mediocre low light performance).I have used a D50 alongside a 5D and noise wise the D50 pretty much
keeps up. In the worst case scenes, the 5D pulls ahead a bit. Which
is nice of course because I paid a hell of a lot more for it!
Why? The D2H focuses better in low light than the D70. I'd rather spend time using Neatimage on an in focus picture than an out of focus one.
You can't possibly get a feel for this until you've actually used both .
Film_Ruled
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I have to agree with this. But....it was the only reason I switched to Canon in the first place. I think the D2X is Really impressive in this review, almost stole the MK-II's thunder. The competition is nothing but good for all of us. And as for Sorguski's comment about shooters under 30, I call BS. That is no way to quantify it. It is a universal "I need FF / Don't need FF" ageless type of thinking that is really what it is all about.
Full frame makes me happy. You all want me to be happy, right??? Sure....
.If the D2X were full frame and it had a F100 sized sibling, I am pretty sure I would have switched back if Nikon had glass on the wide end like the 35 & 24mm 1.4 Canons. When I wrote "Was the only reason I switched", it is because I have just spent 24 hours with both lenses. The 24mm is incredible at 2.0 and smaller. One of the best wide angles I have ever used. But the 35mm 1.4? HOLY COW!!!!!!! Flat out mind blowing at 1.4!! How in the heck did they do that? I remember using the Nikon version and 1.4 was vaseline land, same with the 28 1.4.
I'm sure Nikon has waited on new wide primes because the have been torn as to what direction to go with them, DX or full frame. Smart, really.
So why am I here? Enjoy your D2X's. It is a kick butt camera.
As for me? I was tryinn tirelessly to decide which 1.4 wide to get. So I made it easy on my self and wrote out a check for $2,200, LOL!!!
Ah, but how well would the D50's sensor perform if it had 13mp to deal with? I think that's what people are forgetting. The D50 only has 6mp on a 1.5x sensor. That Nikon is able to manage the noise on the D50, in this their third iteration of a 6mp CCD DSLR camera (D100--> D70--> D50), should be no great feat.What I find very interesting is what Nikon did with the D50. Real,
actual, reliable and great looking noise improvements. So maybe
there is something to your hunch. Nikon certainly has proven then
can figure out the noise question.
I have used a D50 alongside a 5D and noise wise the D50 pretty much
keeps up. In the worst case scenes, the 5D pulls ahead a bit. Which
is nice of course because I paid a hell of a lot more for it!
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