Ultra-Compact with RAW?

NicholasX · May 2, 2005

I know this has been asked before (because I searched) but I thought I'd ask again in case anything has changed recently. Are there really no Ultra-Compacts that support RAW? I'm posting in the Canon forum because I'd prefer a Canon solution, but at this point I'm open to a camera from nearly any company. I'll be going on vacation in a month and of course I'll bring my SLR, but I'd love something small to keep on me at all times. Does such a thing truly not exist? If there are aren't any "Ultra" compacts are there some cameras that are really close?

And yes, I do realize that many of these cameras have fine in-camera processing. But that still doesn't stop me from wanting the luxory of RAW. Any suggestions would be very welcomed.

deebs · May 2, 2005

I agree!

But I am not too sure if RAW under any brand will be a luxury or a pain.

What I am sure of is that there should be user installed flash updates to tweak a camera so it gives RAW output

deebs · May 2, 2005

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that there should be such a feature.

One reason?

It allows people to play with RAW on less expensive kit rather than taking what may be a particularly expensive bit of kit outdoors.

It seems to me that digital imaging is a very tactile thing - it needs hands on experience. Anything to facilitate tactile learning has got to be good.

C'mon Canon - if anyone can, Canon can!

Naama · May 2, 2005

Hi !

Casio has RAW in P600 and P700 cameras.
I have the P700 model.

It's realy good camera, and If you like cannon you mite like this, because it has Cannon lense. You can also use lens adaptors and PC-sync flash.

Go and read:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Casio/casio_exp700.asp

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NicholasX · May 2, 2005

Thanks for the suggestions. But, both the P600 and 700 are a little big to be truly pocketable. Anyone else?

rudedude · May 2, 2005

If you feel you realy need it, the S70 supports RAW format.

Ruud

NicholasX · May 2, 2005

Thanks for the suggestions, but I'm really looking for something smaller

Bluegrass · May 2, 2005

There are no smaller Canon cameras that offer RAW;try Fuji cameras;and, see the Buying Guide:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp
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bdery · May 2, 2005

Casio Z750 has a hidden RAW menu that's supposed to work very well.
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NicholasX · May 2, 2005

Thanks for the info! The Z50 or Z750 may be nearly perfect. I hadn't realized that you could enable RAW on Casio's cameras. I need to investigate software to read the RAW files, but it looks like we may have a winner. Thanks again.

Adam-T · May 2, 2005

So fat chance of RAW!.. to be honest, only the S400 & 410 (the S500 at a push) would benefit from RAW as the rest are too noisy and the in-camera processing does a better job on the tiny 4 & 5Mp 1:2.5 / 1:2.7" and 7Mp 1:1/8 CCDs than a RAW converter can do..

What these cameras need more than anything is fully variable aperture and an accompanying AV mode so you can stop the camera down to F4 at the wide end to combat soft corners S45/S50/S60/S70 style.. as they are, they're running wide open most of the time

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bdery · May 2, 2005

It's hidden but seems pretty easy to do (the fellows on the Casio Forum will help you). DCRAW is the software you want to edit your RAW files, it works with all Casio so far.

Happy snapping!
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Naama · May 2, 2005

It's even easyer whit the RAWdrop, and it uses the dcraw.
I think that RAW can be helpfull in low light situations:

Here is a few sample picks:
http://casio.desteem.org/sets/ilta/

First two picks are taken whit BS night shot.
Last two pics are taken whit shutler priority set to 4s.
Picks 1 and 3 are jpegs.
Picks 2 and 4 are RAW's converted to jpegs after neat image.

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bdery · May 3, 2005

Impressive! Great work, especially on image 2 I think image 4 looks a bit too much as if it was shot during the day, but still it's an ecellent example of what RAW can do for us...
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Srf_Cast · May 3, 2005

Adam-T said:
So fat chance of RAW!.. to be honest, only the S400 & 410 (the S500
at a push) would benefit from RAW as the rest are too noisy and the
in-camera processing does a better job on the tiny 4 & 5Mp 1:2.5 /
1:2.7" and 7Mp 1:1/8 CCDs than a RAW converter can do..

I’m not sure about that. The smaller the sensor the less dynamic range you get and the possibility to correct the exposure in RAW would be great.
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deebs · May 3, 2005

I hope that some nice software engineers say something along the lines of:

"Hey! You want RAW from a consumer spec kit? Flash this..."

Prefereably from the cameras brand though

Nill Toulme · May 3, 2005

Adam-T said:
So fat chance of RAW!.. to be honest, only the S400 & 410 (the S500
at a push) would benefit from RAW as the rest are too noisy and the
in-camera processing does a better job on the tiny 4 & 5Mp 1:2.5 /
1:2.7" and 7Mp 1:1/8 CCDs than a RAW converter can do..
What these cameras need more than anything is fully variable
aperture and an accompanying AV mode so you can stop the camera
down to F4 at the wide end to combat soft corners S45/S50/S60/S70
style.. as they are, they're running wide open most of the time

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Naama · May 3, 2005

The main problem whit the RAW is the file size. It requires much faster processor and a bigger internal memory. P700 makes 4mb Jpegs if you use maximum size (7mp), but the RAW file is over 10mb. So if you take 5 pictures in high speed mode using jpeg, the camera has to manage 20mb in a short time. Whit RAW the size is 50mb.

Meaby the camera makers have decided to leave the RAW, because they mite just get bad reviews about it and the speed of it. I think that CASIO has found a good midleground decision for this, to leave the RAW mode hidden but accessable. This way no one can really say anything about the speed, because this function is only for service use. But users can still use it if they decide to...

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Adam-T · May 3, 2005

They have both the lens and the technology in the S70 - their lack of AV mode and variable apertures I feel is sheer stubbornness much the same as not putting spot metering in anything lower than a 1-series DSLR or offering a D70-Style de-crippling Firmware update for 300D owners DESPITE the D50 on the horizon.

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Nill Toulme · May 3, 2005

All I want is the S70 in the S400 form factor. Quickly and easily done...

Nill
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Adam-T said:
They have both the lens and the technology in the S70 - their lack
of AV mode and variable apertures I feel is sheer stubbornness much
the same as not putting spot metering in anything lower than a
1-series DSLR or offering a D70-Style de-crippling Firmware update
for 300D owners DESPITE the D50 on the horizon.

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