How much for a used D1X???

trumpeter5 · Jan 6, 2005

i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

10fps · Jan 6, 2005

the D1 is way to old, the D1x is a good camera, but I wouldn't buy one of them today, it is also to old.

So better would be IMHO:

D70
wait until end of feb and see whats next
20d but I prefer Nikon

trumpeter5 said:
i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

Ken Phillips · Jan 6, 2005

... for not much more than the price of the 20D. Or get a USED EOS-1D Mk. I, for about the price of a 20D. Getting into a pro body is a real treat, compared to even a 20D. Pixels ain't everything!
Ken

trumpeter5 said:
i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

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10fps · Jan 6, 2005

the D2h or 1d does not have any advantage in pic quality comparing D70, so if you don't net some features you can save money and upgrade when more pixels are cheaper in the future.

or invest the money in lenses.

Ken Phillips said:
trumpeter5 said:

i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

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artorius · Jan 6, 2005

before the D2h price drop and don't regret it. I was on the original D1 boat, but it got burned up in an arson fire. Went the E20 route($$$), but was never really satisifed, although pics were quite impressive.

There are certain things I wanted with the D1*, number 1 being Firewire of the D1x. BUT, I am picking up either the D2x or the D2h, depending on price. I am bringing life back to my older Nikkor lenses with these. The D2* looks promising with my 3 SB800's.

All I can say is "Thank-you Nikon" for bringing me back to reality.

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Ron Frank · Jan 6, 2005

trumpeter5 said:
i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

Likely about 2K.

I will say this, a camera is not measured by mpix alone, and the D1x is a great tool. IMO if you need a professional camera, there are very few out there better. The D2H would be high on the list.

If you do NOT need a pro tool, the D70 is a very nice body.

Ron

GoncaloProenca · Jan 7, 2005

Ahem people, reality check ; read what the man said :

Ron Frank said:
Ron Frank said:

fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just

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Being that, I dont see he can go bad buying a D70 and good glass. I think its a better route than getting a D2h, D1x and some lausy, cheap glass.

Good glass stays, camera bodies come and goes.

I think that a D70 and a 17-55 2.8 AF-S + 70-200 AF-S VR will be a terrific combo : super pro glass and a good all around camera. If you want macro , drop in a Tamron 90mm 2.8 DP AF. Superb macro tool. Flash ? Go for a SB600 or SB800 and you are all set.

If your budget is a bit more limited ( D70(900)+17-55(1400)+70-200(1500) = nearly 4000 usd ) , try grabing a D70 plus 18-70 AFS lens kit ( fairly decent lens IMHO ) and get also a 80-200 AF used ( 500$ for the AF-D version, 900$usd for AF-S ; the AF-S has better colour, contrast and much more improved focusing speed ) or go for a 80-400 VR.

Don't get me wrong : if you can afford a pro body ( used D1x or new D2h ) , GO FOR IT. But make sure you NEED it : its heavy and big. Sure, got all the gizmos and all the bells and whistles. But if you want a nice compact camera that goes with you all day, everywhere, get a D70. If you want the features in a D1 class or D2 class body and can live with its size and weight, get one : their are Nikon's finest at the moment.

Picking a D2h or D1x used is a tough, tough choice ; D2h has better AF performance and superb flash, plus a huge buffer and exepctional fps ; downsides are the noise ( when its there ITS THERE ) and the somewhat small imager. D1x have superber imager ( 5.ish mp that can go 10mp with Nikon Capture ) , the best noise free images in the Nikon lineup. Downsides is getting it used, worse flash performance, smaller buffer and fps ( although with the D1xupgrade available, D1x's are up to the par to most of peoples needs ) and of course, 2 years old technology.

Either one is a superb choice. Just have to get your priorities straight : want better noise performance or better flash performance ? bigger imager or huge fps ? it's your call. run away from people that say that D2h is SOOOOOOOOOOO much better than D1x. Or otherwise. They are both superb beasts and they are quite different. You have to chose them carfully.

Nevertheless, D2h or D1x blow away D70 and Canon 20D. But that doesnt mean D70 isnt a very good camera.
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Ken Phillips · Jan 7, 2005

Four megapixels in focus ... beats six or eight that aren't.
Ken

10fps said:
or invest the money in lenses.

Ken Phillips said:

trumpeter5 said:

i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

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GoncaloProenca · Jan 7, 2005

Ken Phillips said:
Four megapixels in focus ... beats six or eight that aren't.
Ken

While your information is correct, that even applies to the D1h : 2.7 mp in focus are better than 16 mp ( 1DS II ) out of focus.. that means that the D1h is a better camera than the 1DS MK II ? No, only that a D1h in the hands of a decent and competent photographer is better than a 1DS MKII in the hands of a trully amateur.

D2h focusing is great, the best in the Nikon world. But D1x AF system ( CAM1300 ) is superb also ; it's 10 to 15% slower ( but hundreds faster than D100/D70 which are CAM900) than CAM2000 found in the D2h and have two less focusing points.

But a D1x is a superb tool. For example, I would never pick up a D2h over a D1x : I prefer the D1x colours, noise free images and the boost in MP. Just because those are my personal preferences and needs : I dont need the huge buffer and fps that the D2h have to offer, neither the fantastic flash performance, because if I did need them, I would pick the D2h without hesitation : at 1999usd its a bargain.

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FKS · Jan 7, 2005

hi goncalo-

cam2000 has 11 focusing points (nine of which have both horizontal and vertical sensors) while cam1300 has five (three with horizontal and vertical sensors), so that gives the d2h six more focus sensors than the d1x

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GoncaloProenca said:
D2h focusing is great, the best in the Nikon world. But D1x AF
system ( CAM1300 ) is superb also ; it's 10 to 15% slower ( but
hundreds faster than D100/D70 which are CAM900) than CAM2000 found
in the D2h and have two less focusing points.

GoncaloProenca · Jan 7, 2005

FKS said:
hi goncalo-

cam2000 has 11 focusing points (nine of which have both horizontal
and vertical sensors) while cam1300 has five (three with horizontal
and vertical sensors), so that gives the d2h six more focus sensors
than the d1x

Indeed

My apologies. But that doesnt make the D1x a poor focus performer ; the CAM1300 is a stellar AF system : fast accurate. Well, with five points

The D2h on the other hand is super stellar, 11 points ( I really thought it was 9

) dead fast ( although not much faster than the D1x, although I only test them with AF-S lens ) and super accurate too.

Both of them are in the pro league and compared to them , the D70/D100/Fuji's S2 are in a junior league. Heck, I know about this, I own a S2

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John Ricard · Jan 7, 2005

I was so upset about the D2x not being in my hands this month that I actually ordered a D1x. I'm just really tired of using the D100 body. I realize the image quality will be about the same, but at least I'll be back to using a pro body -something I haven't done since my F5 days.

I almost bought Thom Hogan's $1,700 D1x because I trusted him and I knew the body condition would be true to his word, but in the end I bought one off the Rob Galbraith forum for $1,400. I'm still waiting for it to arrive, but I trust the seller so I don't expect any problems.

Now if I could just get a good deal selling one of my D100s.

Jared_Willson · Jan 7, 2005

I just sold my D1x on e-bay for $1,600 including a Hoodman, two batteries, and an Araca Swiss style mounting plate. I think that's a fairly average price.

I replaced my D1x with a D70. You may ask why! Based on my head-to-head tests, image quality was virtually the same at native ISO. The D1x did slightly better on some pics (where detail was mostly in vertical lines), and the D70 on others (where detail was mostly in horizontal lines). D70 had a slight edge in diagonal detail, but it was VERY slight.

So why make the change? Why downgrade?

The answer to me was one specific requirement. I needed low noise at high ISO's for wide field astrophotography. The D1x was simply terrible at this specific use. It's becoming a major part of my photography (weather permitting), so I made the switch.

How does this apply to you? I guess what I am trying to tell you is that the "right" camera depends more on your specific needs than on the particular camera. The D1x is an excellent choice if you are looking for fast autofocus, moderately high resolution, good value (as a used camera), and a professional build quality. A D2H would be a better choice if you need a higher frame rate, faster autofocus, and could get away with 4 MP. The D70 would be a better choice if you didn't need the build quality, the super-fast AF, or the high frame rate.

Jared

trumpeter5 said:
i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

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Gene Caldwell · Jan 7, 2005

Jared_Willson said:
I replaced my D1x with a D70. You may ask why! Based on my
head-to-head tests, image quality was virtually the same at native
ISO. The D1x did slightly better on some pics (where detail was
mostly in vertical lines), and the D70 on others (where detail was
mostly in horizontal lines). D70 had a slight edge in diagonal
detail, but it was VERY slight.

So why make the change? Why downgrade?

The answer to me was one specific requirement. I needed low noise
at high ISO's for wide field astrophotography. The D1x was simply
terrible at this specific use. It's becoming a major part of my
photography (weather permitting), so I made the switch.

How does this apply to you? I guess what I am trying to tell you
is that the "right" camera depends more on your specific needs than
on the particular camera. The D1x is an excellent choice if you
are looking for fast autofocus, moderately high resolution, good
value (as a used camera), and a professional build quality. A D2H
would be a better choice if you need a higher frame rate, faster
autofocus, and could get away with 4 MP. The D70 would be a better
choice if you didn't need the build quality, the super-fast AF, or
the high frame rate.

Jared

trumpeter5 said:

i am trying to decide betwen a used D1X and a Canon 20D. I am
fairly new in photography but i am also fairly advanced. I just
wanted to know what the average price of a used D1X is.

P.S. I am also considering a used D1H or D1

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Backdoctor · Jan 7, 2005

10fps said:
the D2h or 1d does not have any advantage in pic quality comparing
D70, so if you don't net some features you can save money and
upgrade when more pixels are cheaper in the future.

you are the first person I have seen say this. Most folks that have both seem to say the images are better. Do you have both cameras?

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GoncaloProenca · Jan 7, 2005

Backdoctor said:
you are the first person I have seen say this. Most folks that have
both seem to say the images are better. Do you have both cameras?

No but I used the D1x for a while ( 3 days ) and got to use for an afternoon a D2h. I like the D1x images better ;

Anyway, either camera simply blows my S2 away ; well, I think S2 is up to par ( maybe a slight better ) than the D1x in terms of image and a bit better than the D2h, but both Dclass cameras do have pin-sharp focus, while the S2 sometimes backfocus, sometimes frontfocus, sometimes focus. Well, its not that bad, but surely CAM1300 or 2000 does increase HIGLY the number of keepers.

Loved the D2h+SB800 combo though : at last a flash system that works flawlessly. But the D1x and its DTTL is good ( not in the same league as iTTL though ) , specially compared to the S2 TTL.

So, if I had the money now, I would shell out for a used , mint, upgraded D1x with some extra batteries ( achilles heel for the D1x - the batteries SUK !!!!!!!!!! , D2h is nuclear powered ) rather than a new D2h. why ? because I feel the D1x suits my need better. But every photographer have different needs , so maybe the majority may choose the D2h over the D1x. But heck, I'm not a trendy person

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Backdoctor · Jan 7, 2005

You are right. the D2H and SB800 are a great combo. As for the D1x vs D2h, it does come to personal preference. I had the need for speed with wildlife, and you cant beat being able to go up to 8 fps. 3 fps is slow motion compared to that. There is no doubt the D1X is an awesome machine. If it shot 5 fps I would have considered it myself.

Take care.

GoncaloProenca said:
Backdoctor said:

you are the first person I have seen say this. Most folks that have
both seem to say the images are better. Do you have both cameras?

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No but I used the D1x for a while ( 3 days ) and got to use for an
afternoon a D2h. I like the D1x images better ;

Anyway, either camera simply blows my S2 away ; well, I think S2 is
up to par ( maybe a slight better ) than the D1x in terms of image
and a bit better than the D2h, but both Dclass cameras do have
pin-sharp focus, while the S2 sometimes backfocus, sometimes
frontfocus, sometimes focus. Well, its not that bad, but surely
CAM1300 or 2000 does increase HIGLY the number of keepers.

Loved the D2h+SB800 combo though : at last a flash system that
works flawlessly. But the D1x and its DTTL is good ( not in the
same league as iTTL though ) , specially compared to the S2 TTL.

So, if I had the money now, I would shell out for a used , mint,
upgraded D1x with some extra batteries ( achilles heel for the D1x

the batteries SUK !!!!!!!!!! , D2h is nuclear powered ) rather

than a new D2h. why ? because I feel the D1x suits my need better.
But every photographer have different needs , so maybe the majority
may choose the D2h over the D1x. But heck, I'm not a trendy person

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Jonathan F/2 · Jan 7, 2005

Hi John,

I can't believe you finally bought a D1X! With all your disgruntled issues with the D100, I thought it would of been just easier for you to buy a D1X in the first place!

The used prices on all these pro-bodies are finally getting to a point where I think they are reasonable, hopeufully Nikon will lead the way in lowering prices across the board.

My question is, why do amateurs on forums like dpreview need so many megapixels? Honestly I'm fine with 6mp for regular use and 4mp is great for PJ work. I had to spend a whole day backing up 20 gigs worth of D2H files, which equaled about 60 photo shoots and about 500 images a set. With the D2X coming out, 20 gigs of storage will be gone in 2 weeks with the way I shoot!

John Ricard said:
I was so upset about the D2x not being in my hands this month that
I actually ordered a D1x. I'm just really tired of using the D100
body. I realize the image quality will be about the same, but at
least I'll be back to using a pro body -something I haven't done
since my F5 days.

I almost bought Thom Hogan's $1,700 D1x because I trusted him and I
knew the body condition would be true to his word, but in the end I
bought one off the Rob Galbraith forum for $1,400. I'm still
waiting for it to arrive, but I trust the seller so I don't expect
any problems.

Now if I could just get a good deal selling one of my D100s.

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Georg Herbet · Jan 7, 2005

I'm shooting Canon now but I miss the D1x - its images, not its quirks.

The D1x was too expensive to keep. By this I mean the rubber was always falling off and it needed frequent trips to Nikon service. Once out of warranty, the rubber alone costs about $200 to replace. Just ridiculous.

Batteries, as have been stated, are another problem.

Still, if you plan to keep the camera till it's worthless, it's a good deal.

Georg Herbet · Jan 7, 2005

If I were to get another D1X, here's what I'd buy (I've had 'em all):

d1x
85mm f/1.4
60mm macro
maybe 50mm f/1.4
maybe a zoom: 28-70 or 28-125 variable aperture

the Nikon flashes are great.

How much for a used D1X???

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