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... they all take a color image, period. The chips are set up with permanent color filters attached. Some have an in-camera B&W mode, however ... but not the Canon DSLRs.
You get more control of the process doing it after the fact, in any case.
Ken
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

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Surely the limitation isnt in the theory. I understand that the response in the highlights and dark areas of modern digital sensors is very different from that of film, but I am certain that this is only a matter of time until such sensors and software come to life. Maybe R&D is too dependent on market needs and everyone seems to want MPs, low noise and dynamic range but I m sure that many professionals would embrace a speciality product made for their needs. I ll stop my general rant and hope that these days will come sooner than later.

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Ken Phillips said:
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
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... a 'real' camera? (Just joking ... gonna get one as a backup to replace the 10D.)
KP
davidroy said:
Ken Phillips said:
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
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http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
Click to expand...
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http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
Click to expand...
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http://www.photobird.com/davidroy



“I eagerly await new concepts and processes. I believe that the
electronic image will be the next major advance.” - Ansel Adams
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http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
 
Maybe I don't undertsand the question - if so then I apologize for my answer because I'm missing something.

Anyway, it's very easy to shoot in black and white with a digital camera. For example I took the following picture with my 1DMkII:



The key is to take the file and process it with a program like Photoshop to turn it into a B&W image. There are many ways to do this and the control you have is virtually limitless. It's a little like being able to put any filter on your lens after you take the picture.

John Engstrom
Plano, TX
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
--
http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
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The problem is when shooting an editorial on location I'm with an art director who wishes the shoot in black and white for magazine publication and like shooting film we use a b&w polaroid to get the full impact of what the shoot will look like with out the guess work of "this is in colour and can be converted later". Art directors can be pretty awkward sometimes and can only understand what you show them. Its a pity the 1Ds MkII doesn't have b&w as it would have been the iceing on the cake.


engstrom said:
Anyway, it's very easy to shoot in black and white with a digital
camera. For example I took the following picture with my 1DMkII:



The key is to take the file and process it with a program like
Photoshop to turn it into a B&W image. There are many ways to do
this and the control you have is virtually limitless. It's a
little like being able to put any filter on your lens after you
take the picture.

John Engstrom
Plano, TX
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
--
http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
Click to expand...
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http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
 
Ken Phillips said:
... they all take a color image, period. The chips are set up with
permanent color filters attached. Some have an in-camera B&W mode,
however ... but not the Canon DSLRs.
You get more control of the process doing it after the fact, in any
case.
Ken
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Not exactly accurate.

The 1Ds MkII does not. The 20D, however, does do in-camera grayscale conversion and also emulatges several B&W filter effects.

Cheers,

Mitch
Ken Phillips said:
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http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
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... and though I'm gonna get a 20D for macro and other stuff, I don't think I'll use that mode ... I love the control I get otherwise. But maybe the Canon algorithm geeks have gotten it right ...
KP
gmitchel said:
Ken Phillips said:
... they all take a color image, period. The chips are set up with
permanent color filters attached. Some have an in-camera B&W mode,
however ... but not the Canon DSLRs.
You get more control of the process doing it after the fact, in any
case.
Ken
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Not exactly accurate.

The 1Ds MkII does not. The 20D, however, does do in-camera
grayscale conversion and also emulatges several B&W filter effects.

Cheers,

Mitch
gmitchel said:
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http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
Click to expand...
--
http://www.thelightsrightstudio.com
http://www.thelightsright.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheLightsRight/
Click to expand...
--



http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
 
Why don't you tether to a laptop and then have an assistant desaturate the pics on the fly to show that art director. If you don't want to tether, you can swap CF cards liek you swap film backs and upload to a decent laptop and then show the b & w pics.

I don't see the big deal with it. These art directors are going to have to move into the 21st century some time soon!

Jonathan
Lesauvage said:

engstrom said:
Anyway, it's very easy to shoot in black and white with a digital
camera. For example I took the following picture with my 1DMkII:



The key is to take the file and process it with a program like
Photoshop to turn it into a B&W image. There are many ways to do
this and the control you have is virtually limitless. It's a
little like being able to put any filter on your lens after you
take the picture.

John Engstrom
Plano, TX
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
--
http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
Click to expand...
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http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
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Jonathan Lefcourt
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to replace my D60.....but I have to get the 1DsMk II first to replace my first generation 1Ds. Canon and their naming system is baffling at best. I think maybe the naming committee is smoking something in the back room when they come up with these model numbers. Shouldn't there have been a MK I before a MK II. And then they come out with a D30 followed by a D60.....so far logical, but then replace that with a D10 and then a D20??? I suppose the replacement for the D20 will be the D80.

And of course Nikon had to come out with a D70 to confuse the uninitiated even further.
Ken Phillips said:
davidroy said:
Ken Phillips said:
Lesauvage said:
Ive been looking around for info on the new Canon 1Ds MkII to find
if it can shoot in black and white. Appreciate if any body knows
the answer.
Cheers

Lesauvage
--
http://www.lesauvage.co.uk
Nikon D1x, Contax 645 Kodak 16 mega Pro back.
Click to expand...
--



http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
Click to expand...
--
DavidRoy.....behind the lens
http://www.pbase.com/davidroyimages
http://www.photobird.com/davidroy



“I eagerly await new concepts and processes. I believe that the
electronic image will be the next major advance.” - Ansel Adams
Click to expand...
--



http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm
Cincinnati Magazine's 'One of our 100 Favorite Things' 2004
I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
Click to expand...
--
DavidRoy.....behind the lens
http://www.pbase.com/davidroyimages
http://www.photobird.com/davidroy



“I eagerly await new concepts and processes. I believe that the electronic image will be the next major advance.” - Ansel Adams
 
FWIW:

Kodak made both a digital B&W and an infared versions of their 460.
To my knowledge, these are the only two true B&W digital cameras.

Also, to make digital photos look more like traditional photos it helps shooting RAW and not getting carried away with unsharp masking or any other sharpening. Those little black or white lines around details are a dead give away of a digital workflow as is the JPEG compression death to tonal transitions. Working in LAB color space helps keep things smoother.

Don't be so hard on art directors. The best know the look they're after. They'll pay good money to photographers who can give it to them.

Tom
 
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