G6/5/3/2/1 owners: Lens protection

Mooder Man · Sep 29, 2004

How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available for the G6 till mid October.

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of protection?

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested that a retailer might carry?

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to B&H to buy something if needed. Should I wait? Or am I being silly with this.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Simpson · Sep 29, 2004

Mooder Man said:
How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

I purchased a G2 in September 2002 and the first thing I purchased
was a "Raynox" lens adapter along with a 52mm UV filter and then
bought a larger (256MB) card so you can see where my thoughts lie.

Mind you, my background was Photojournalism, albeit Freelance, and
I went through a good number of UV/Skylight filters over 15 years but
saw no reason to change my pattern. Good thing as well, as I am on
my third (3rd) Protection filter and just passed the 82,000 shutter firing
this past week. FWIW, I still use my G2 for photojournalism and sold
one of the local dailes a fatal MVA shot yesterday.

On the otherhand, I have some customers -- I also work camera retail --
who have never put a 'protection filter' on any of there lenses

Ain't it just like Canon to change the type of mount on the G6

((

Hope this helps somewhat.

Jack

Mooder Man said:
I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed. Should I wait? Or am I being silly
with this.

Thanks in advance.

--
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Forbes · Sep 29, 2004

All you can do is be as cautious as possible and wipe the barrel with a damp cloth occasionally to keep the dust off. Based on Lensmate's past history with their suppliers (I imagine it's the same with Bower), they may be late with it in any event. This design is not known for putting dust in the elements, not to say that it cannot happen however.

Jack Simpson said:
Mooder Man said:

How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

Click to expand...

I purchased a G2 in September 2002 and the first thing I purchased
was a "Raynox" lens adapter along with a 52mm UV filter and then
bought a larger (256MB) card so you can see where my thoughts lie.

Mind you, my background was Photojournalism, albeit Freelance, and
I went through a good number of UV/Skylight filters over 15 years but
saw no reason to change my pattern. Good thing as well, as I am on
my third (3rd) Protection filter and just passed the 82,000 shutter
firing
this past week. FWIW, I still use my G2 for photojournalism and
sold
one of the local dailes a fatal MVA shot yesterday.

On the otherhand, I have some customers -- I also work camera
retail --
who have never put a 'protection filter' on any of there lenses

Ain't it just like Canon to change the type of mount on the G6 ((

Hope this helps somewhat.

Jack

Jack Simpson said:

I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed. Should I wait? Or am I being silly
with this.

Thanks in advance.

Click to expand...

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Colin Lee74118 · Sep 29, 2004

the adapter blocks the lower left quadrant of the optical viewfinder! Not an issue for those relying on the LCD but frustrating for those want to use the optical. Er... why can't they just put a few threads in the front of the lens like my old Nikon 990?

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Mooder Man · Sep 30, 2004

You said

"This

Forbes said:
design is not known for putting dust in the elements, not to say
that it cannot happen however."

Are you saying past G -models could eventually have dust migration behind the lens? And the G6 does not?

My question is do I need a filter to keep the dust from getting behind the lens somehow? Isn't this a flaw?

I understand I need to be careful with damaging the lens until there is a protector.

Max@Home · Sep 30, 2004

Hi Mike/Mooder man,

Mooder Man said:
How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

Not me ;-))

Mooder Man said:
I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

...which is a pity...

Mooder Man said:
Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

It can and it will, but verry slowwly ;-))

Mooder Man said:
I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

You better not, a new lens assembly would cost you approx $300.= ;-))

Mooder Man said:
Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

The only one I know of is the 58mm Canon LA-DC58D note the D on the end!

Mooder Man said:
I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed.

Mooder Man said:
Should I wait? Or am I being silly with this.

A bit ;-)) The fact, that you realise that dust can happen, gives you already an advantage over the unaware crowd ;-))

Serious now, if you are normally careful, and leave the camera in it's bag when not in use (and OFF) no dramatic things should happen, dustwise ;-))

Have a nice trip, shoot plenty!

Kindest regards,

Max@Home
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Parn190423 · Sep 30, 2004

I don't have a lens adapter or UV filter for my G3 which is about 1 year old now. I think "dust behind lens" issue only occurs with Pro1.

Mooder Man said:
How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed. Should I wait? Or am I being silly
with this.

Thanks in advance.

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Mooder Man · Sep 30, 2004

Max -

I was hoping you were going to see my post.

I was just getting ready to leave for the City when I call B&H only to find out they are closed toill October the 10th for Jewish Holidays. I need to see cusomers there today anyway, but now find myself going on vacation without the right tools.

How and where can the dust enter the camera and sit behind the lens??

If this is in fact true (and I believe you), then camera manufacturers should correct this problem or equip/notify their customers of this flaw prior to usage.

Max@Home said:
Mooder Man said:

How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

Click to expand...

Not me ;-))

Max@Home said:

I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

Click to expand...

...which is a pity...

Max@Home said:

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

Click to expand...

It can and it will, but verry slowwly ;-))

Max@Home said:

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Click to expand...

You better not, a new lens assembly would cost you approx $300.= ;-))

Max@Home said:

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

Click to expand...

The only one I know of is the 58mm Canon LA-DC58D note the D on the
end!

Max@Home said:

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed.

Click to expand...

Max@Home said:

Should I wait? Or am I being silly with this.

Click to expand...

A bit ;-)) The fact, that you realise that dust can happen, gives
you already an advantage over the unaware crowd ;-))

Serious now, if you are normally careful, and leave the camera in
it's bag when not in use (and OFF) no dramatic things should
happen, dustwise ;-))

Have a nice trip, shoot plenty!

Kindest regards,

Max@Home
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Mooder Man · Sep 30, 2004

Parn,

I hope you are right! Fortunately, lensmate will have something available in October so I should be OK.

Thanks for the input.

Parn said:
Mooder Man said:

How many of you have purchased the G-series without the intent of
purchasing an adapter, along with a UV filter or protector lens?

I would like to order one from Lensmate, but they are not available
for the G6 till mid October.

Can outside dust find its way behind the lens without this type of
protection?

I am leaving on a trip next week and do not want to ruin this lens.

Other than Lensmate, is there any other adapter/filter suggested
that a retailer might carry?

I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed. Should I wait? Or am I being silly
with this.

Thanks in advance.

Click to expand...

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http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=3445810093

SDommin · Sep 30, 2004

Mooder Man said:
Or am I being silly with this.

Bingo!

First, I have never heard of dust creeping in behind a G-Series lens. I've owned a G2, G3, and G6, and never even remotely had a problem. Let's not create problems where none exist.

Secondly, if you're concerned about dust, you might want to consider the fact that a "protective" filter on your lens will introduce 2 new surfaces for dust to cling to. That should scare you more than the possibility of dust behind the lens.

Third, if you just take normal care of your camera while you're using it, you won't need a protective filter or adapter. If you're going to bang your new camera around carelessly, you'll break something else on it anyway.

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Max@Home · Sep 30, 2004

Hi again, Mooder Man,

Mooder Man said:
Max -

I was hoping you were going to see my post.

You can always email me, my email in profile ;-))

Mooder Man said:
I was just getting ready to leave for the City when I call B&H only
to find out they are closed toill October the 10th for Jewish
Holidays. I need to see customers there today anyway, but now find
myself going on vacation without the right tools.

... a bit too dramatic, I think, you have your G6 and your dust-conscious mind, so you should be OK! ;-))

Mooder Man said:
How and where can the dust enter the camera and sit behind the lens??

Anywhere alongside the lens, where it extracts and retracts, and via the sides of the topelement if it is anything like G3 (a bit 'loose', 'whobbly')

Mooder Man said:
If this is in fact true (and I believe you), then camera
manufacturers should correct this problem or equip/notify their
customers of this flaw prior to usage.

Again, when you use a Gx 'normally', you should not have any problems, the lens fits tight enough to prevent 'large' dust to come in, but eventually, over the years, or when your usage is 'heavy' (lots of picks in bad weather conditions/bad camera locations - beaches, deserts and such) dust WILL get in.

I am not so much afraid for dust on the sensor though, I am far more afraid that dust will prevent the zoomlens from fully extracting (making it a 35-135 lens in stead of an 35-140 ;-)) or will prevent from proper focussing due to 'dust heaps' on the mechanical/motoring parts of the camera.

So I do not consider this a manufacturers flaw, it comes more or less from the basic design, which is equal in most camera's... a zooming, extracting lens ...to make the camera as 'compact' as possible when 'off'.

Again my kindest regards,

Max@Home
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Forbes · Sep 30, 2004

are, I would recommend getting the Canon adapter. I would

imagine that all the adapters will interfere with the viewfinder to some degree, Canon's is probably worse because of the design they choose to use, and particularly with the G6. Read on....

Mooder Man said:
"This

Mooder Man said:

design is not known for putting dust in the elements, not to say
that it cannot happen however."

Click to expand...

Are you saying past G -models could eventually have dust migration
behind the lens? And the G6 does not?

No, I am giving a general reflection on posts I have seen, that people don't seem to be complaining about this very much regardless of the G-model. The seals around the barrels are not airtight, and dust can enter if there's enough of it. Someone said this only happens with Pro1, not so. But with Pro1, there is a deliberate air gap at the final element,which is removeable albeit with a good degree of risk and hassle.

Mooder Man said:
My question is do I need a filter to keep the dust from getting
behind the lens somehow? Isn't this a flaw?

No, I think they have designed it with tolerances intended to minimize failures and allow for some wear and "seating-in." I agree, I would not want dust in there, but if it ever happens, it is not going to likely affect any shots. You need to be prepared for the llikelihood that some dust/material may eventually enter but that it does not ruin the camera.

Mooder Man said:
I understand I need to be careful with damaging the lens until
there is a protector.

In about half of the shooting I do, I don't have the adapter on. For one thing it interferes with the onboard flash, and I imagine any adapter will do that. Mostly, I just try to keep dust and dirt off the camera, and I wipe it down gently when I see some.

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Petre_D · Sep 30, 2004

Mooder Man said:
I will be working in Manhattan tomorrow and might take the trip to
B&H to buy something if needed.

Maybe you should check Adorama first (if they're open, 18th Street, corner with 6th ave), they have better prices than B&H on some items. And sales guys are very, very helpful.

I've bought my G6 adapter on eBay, for $44 (normal price, not a bargain - Lensmate's one will be around 30 bucks, not a big saving).

As for filters (UVs, skylight, or whatever you use as lens protector) i also buy them on eBay, from China - search seller "w.w.photo" - very reliable and about 1/3 off the regular price, sometimes more (e.g. Hoya Pro1 $30, versus 50 or so in the store).

Nis Daniel · Oct 1, 2004

I am a G3 owner, and never ever have problem with dust, I use

Vivitar 52 mm converter which work wonder, it was made from metal and cheap... I bought it around US$14, in S korea, although it's slightly loose

an for lenses protection I use UV Filter branding Kenko, should you buy a good camera bag..., a 512MB Sandisk, Slik Tripod, a 550speedlight

hope this helps

Nis Daniel

Phil-B G5 · Oct 1, 2004

Never put anything on other then lens cap.

no dust behind at all. Fingerprints and dust on lens yes. Easy cleaned with micro fibre cloth.

I couldn't stand making the G5 any bigger than it is. I really fancy the sunpak PZ40X. Much more compact and cheaper. Would look good evn on the smaller G6

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sueanne · Oct 1, 2004

In general, not to worry about dust but general smudges and dirt/dust getting on the lens, isn't it better to clean the uv filter than the actual lens? (can scratch the lens etc...)

If you get an adapter, only 1 new surface is introduced if the adapter fits correctly, the dust shouldn't get thru to the original lens. More like a protective measure if you pay all that money for the camera - to protect the lens and the zooming mechanism.

I agree normal care would be okay but there are weather elements and sometime the occasional 'accident' waiting to happen.

It would have been nice for canon to let you screw a filter on directly on instead of having to get an adapter/filter anyways! It does add bulk to the camera and not as compact.

IMO
sue anne

Max@Home · Oct 1, 2004

Hi sueanne,

sueanne said:
If you get an adapter, only 1 new surface is introduced if the
adapter fits correctly, the dust shouldn't get thru to the original
lens.

Scott means that if you add a filter, a filter has two reflecting sides, so with any filter, you allways add 2 reflecting surfaces.

Kindest regards,

Max@Home
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Mooder Man · Oct 1, 2004

Thanks all!

But I am going with Max on this one for two reasons:

1 he is Dutch
2 I think this cat is on the money

Have a nice weekend folks ----- The MOODER MAN!

Phil-B G5 said:
Never put anything on other then lens cap.

no dust behind at all. Fingerprints and dust on lens yes. Easy
cleaned with micro fibre cloth.

I couldn't stand making the G5 any bigger than it is. I really
fancy the sunpak PZ40X. Much more compact and cheaper. Would look
good evn on the smaller G6

--
Phil
Lancashire, England
http://philb.fotopic.net/ (On Dial Up so not many uploaded)

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