RX10 - Deleting Images after download.

[PeterWrth]

Got an RX10 a few days ago. It sits alongside an A6000, A65 and Ricoh GR. It succeeds other cameras too many to mention.

With the RX10, the SD card appears to be protected. The write-protect slide is definitely off.

I use Faststone to download images to LR. When the download is complete, Faststone offers the option to delete the images from the in-camera card. However, get the message 0 images deleted. Also, I can access the card via Explorer, but there is no "delete" option in the dropdown. I have tested several cards in the RX10, all have the same problem.

The manual and books I have on the RX10 do not seem to mention anything about this. Tried searching, but no luck.

Can someone shed some light on this? Is the RX10 protecting the card in-camera? Am I missing something embarrassingly obvious?

 

[KBKB]

Got an RX10 a few days ago. It sits alongside an A6000, A65 and Ricoh GR. It succeeds other cameras too many to mention.

With the RX10, the SD card appears to be protected. The write-protect slide is definitely off.

I use Faststone to download images to LR. When the download is complete, Faststone offers the option to delete the images from the in-camera card. However, get the message 0 images deleted. Also, I can access the card via Explorer, but there is no "delete" option in the dropdown. I have tested several cards in the RX10, all have the same problem.

The manual and books I have on the RX10 do not seem to mention anything about this. Tried searching, but no luck.

Can someone shed some light on this? Is the RX10 protecting the card in-camera? Am I missing something embarrassingly obvious?

I've downloaded photos from my wife's RX10 (and had the software delete the photos) without issue. So it does (or can) work, for me at least.

Hopefully someone else will be able to provide a clue about what's going on.

If you can't figure it out, you can have the camera reformat the card after each download. There are some folks who recommend doing it this way anyway.

 

[edform]

Got an RX10 a few days ago. It sits alongside an A6000, A65 and Ricoh GR. It succeeds other cameras too many to mention.

With the RX10, the SD card appears to be protected. The write-protect slide is definitely off.

I use Faststone to download images to LR. When the download is complete, Faststone offers the option to delete the images from the in-camera card. However, get the message 0 images deleted. Also, I can access the card via Explorer, but there is no "delete" option in the dropdown. I have tested several cards in the RX10, all have the same problem.

The manual and books I have on the RX10 do not seem to mention anything about this. Tried searching, but no luck.

Can someone shed some light on this? Is the RX10 protecting the card in-camera? Am I missing something embarrassingly obvious?

The problem is caused by using the wrong setting for the USB connection. In the Setup menu - the briefcase one. Look in that menu and you'll find three alternatives, Auto, Mass Storage and MTP. I'm not near my RX10 or my computer at the moment, so I can't check what Auto does in this matter, but MTP definitely prevents download software from deleting the images after downloading. Mass storage allows deletion.

It's possible that Auto will allow deletion also, check it out, but I think it won't and it is the default, so unless you've changed the setting this will be your problem.

This aspect of the camera is a pain in the posterior because there is a complex interaction with the Windows system that tells the computer what to do when a USB connection is made if you have the Sony RAW driver loaded, but try setting your camera to use MTP and see if that solves the problem.

When you use MTP with Adobe Bridge for downloading, some versions display the two small files that the camera uses as its database and auto-selects them so that they get downloaded with the images. The camera then puts up a database error when you first turn it on after downloading and asks if you want to rebuild it. If you get this problem just accept the rebuild.

On formatting - some folks say that deleting after download may lead to the card becoming fragmented so that its write speed is compromised and that, a format should be done once in a while anyway. I'm unconvinced about this but it only takes a minute to do.

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[PeterWrth]

Thanks for the quick response guys.

Ed - My USB was set to Auto. Tried Mass Storage and MTP. Still no joy. MTP, as you said, seems to prevent anything. Does not even register as a drive. Mass Storage registers OK but gives me my initial problem. Bit of a mystery, considering KBKB and others are having no difficulty.

Oh well, can always use LR to import and then format the card. No big deal, but Faststone process was much faster and more convenient and it puzzled me why this camera only refused to cooperate.

Off topic - putting my sel 55-210 on eBay. Took pics with both the RX10 and A6000 + Tamron 90. Tripod and low ISO. The IQ of the RX10 was equal to the A6000. Could not pick the difference. Remarkable!! Very impressed and excited with this camera.

Thanks again.

 

[Digital Nigel]

Thanks for the quick response guys.

Ed - My USB was set to Auto. Tried Mass Storage and MTP. Still no joy. MTP, as you said, seems to prevent anything. Does not even register as a drive. Mass Storage registers OK but gives me my initial problem. Bit of a mystery, considering KBKB and others are having no difficulty.

Oh well, can always use LR to import and then format the card. No big deal, but Faststone process was much faster and more convenient and it puzzled me why this camera only refused to cooperate.

Off topic - putting my sel 55-210 on eBay. Took pics with both the RX10 and A6000 + Tamron 90. Tripod and low ISO. The IQ of the RX10 was equal to the A6000. Could not pick the difference. Remarkable!! Very impressed and excited with this camera.

Surely the difference between the RX10's small sensor and the larger a6000 APS-C sensor would be most apparent at high ISOs? Any camera can look good at low ISOs. See if you still can't see the difference at ISO6400. Incidentally, the 55-210 lens goes to 315mm equiv, much more than the RX10's 200mm equiv.

 

[PeterWrth]

I was referring to detail, not low light/noise. Rx10 is superzoom, Tamron 90 is dedicated macro and very sharp. Are you implying that, at low ISO, the quality of the glass is immaterial, that all images will appear sharp, regardless of the lens? If so, I have wasted a LOT of money.

 

[Harvey Rawn]

Got an RX10 a few days ago. It sits alongside an A6000, A65 and Ricoh GR. It succeeds other cameras too many to mention.

With the RX10, the SD card appears to be protected. The write-protect slide is definitely off.

I use Faststone to download images to LR. When the download is complete, Faststone offers the option to delete the images from the in-camera card. However, get the message 0 images deleted. Also, I can access the card via Explorer, but there is no "delete" option in the dropdown. I have tested several cards in the RX10, all have the same problem.

The manual and books I have on the RX10 do not seem to mention anything about this. Tried searching, but no luck.

Can someone shed some light on this? Is the RX10 protecting the card in-camera? Am I missing something embarrassingly obvious?

On my Mac, I use the native Image Capture app to download images to my hard drive and delete them from my RX10's SD card. Your situation sounds more like a Windows issue than a camera one.

 

[Digital Nigel]

I was referring to detail, not low light/noise. Rx10 is superzoom, Tamron 90 is dedicated macro and very sharp. Are you implying that, at low ISO, the quality of the glass is immaterial, that all images will appear sharp, regardless of the lens? If so, I have wasted a LOT of money.

I'm not disagreeing that the RX10 has a very good lens, but the small sensor's high ISO performance is its weakness compared to the a6000. If you only shoot low ISO shots, and the RX10's range is all you need, then it's a very good choice, if rather bulky.

Obviously, with the a6000 you can also use a wide variety of high or low quality zooms or primes. For example, I don't suppose the RX10 would match the quality of 24mm f/1.8 Zeiss on the a6000, nor is it as compact as the a6000 with a pancake lens. It also doesn't have the a6000's autofocus or burst speeds

 

[probert500]

Format the card in camera after the download. It's a good idea anyway to avoid possible corruption on your next shoot.

 

[edform]

Pain in the butt this USB behaviour. I'm running in Windows 10 at the moment and if I make a mistake when picking which action to take when connecting various USB devices, correcting it afterwards is a total nightmare. I'm going to sit down this evening and go right through this to see what I can pin down - not promising anything: too much complexity for that, but it would be good to get a systematic understanding of what gives.

On your comparison between A6000 and RX10 results at low ISO - there is no doubt that the RX10 lens is pretty much as good as it gets. Zeiss have risen very firmly to the top of the pile in the lens design world in recent years and their understanding of the design freedoms that arise from turning some of the correction requirements over to on-chip mathematics, bringing the rear element almost into contact with the sensor, and embedding the shutter at the optimum place in the ray path seems almost supernatural. I want Sony to produce a new version of the R1 with the very latest in lens/processor tech, a back-illuminated APS-C sensor and the Nikon-originated phase-based autofocus of the A6000. I'd happily settle for the same limited zoom range as the old model [24-200 equivalent] and I'd be willing to pay £2000 for the privilege. It might well be the best walkabout camera anyone ever dreamed of.

 

[PeterWrth]

Thanks again for your help. I failed to mention that the images can be deleted using a card-reader which I prefer not to. The fewer times I have to open that door and insert a card, the better. Anyway, it seems to be the camera so, if all else fails, it has to be formatting the card.

I constantly blink when reading the technical insight of contributors, and you qualify. If your dream camera is produced, I hope it is well under GBP2000 because I know I will have to have it also.

 

[PeterWrth]

I agree entirely with that assessment. I also have the A6000 + sel16-70z + several primes etc. I wanted a single walk-around with good zoom range to avoid lens changes. Reviews and peeking at 100's images on Flickr had me believing the RX10 was the ticket. But not quite. Still doubted IQ. Two things decided me. Downloaded ARW's from Imaging Resource and PP'd in LR - very impressive. Also, the Flickr RX10 Spanish Group has many excellent 'macros' - inscects, flowers - taken without adapters and, I understand, using the Clear Image Zoom at 400mm. Not into video, but seems the RX10 will do that well too. Price? - Gulp!! I'm a retired battler and AUD$1,115 gave me pause - but, hey, even at that price a package like this has to be reasonable value.

 

[Digital Nigel]

I agree entirely with that assessment. I also have the A6000 + sel16-70z + several primes etc. I wanted a single walk-around with good zoom range to avoid lens changes. Reviews and peeking at 100's images on Flickr had me believing the RX10 was the ticket. But not quite. Still doubted IQ. Two things decided me. Downloaded ARW's from Imaging Resource and PP'd in LR - very impressive. Also, the Flickr RX10 Spanish Group has many excellent 'macros' - inscects, flowers - taken without adapters and, I understand, using the Clear Image Zoom at 400mm. Not into video, but seems the RX10 will do that well too. Price? - Gulp!! I'm a retired battler and AUD$1,115 gave me pause - but, hey, even at that price a package like this has to be reasonable value.

I don't know about Australia, but the RX10 price came down sharply here in the UK last year:

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www.camerapricebuster.co.uk

The price drop was almost certainly triggered by the release of an aggressively priced new competitor, the Panny FZ1000. At the time, there was a lot of speculation about an imminent new RX10 m2, but that's not yet happened. And when it does, I suspect the excellent lens is the one thing that won't change, just as the RX100 m1 and m2 had the same lens.

i think the RX10's current price is good value, but I don't like the idea of such a large camera with such a small sensor; my tiny RX100 has almost the identical sensor and a usable 26.5-100mm zoom range. But maybe I'll succumb when the RX10 m2 finally arrives?

 

[PeterWrth]

I don't know about Australia, but the RX10 price came down sharply here in the UK last year:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/Sony/Sony-Compact-Cameras/Sony-Cyber-shot-RX10

The price drop was almost certainly triggered by the release of an aggressively priced new competitor, the Panny FZ1000. At the time, there was a lot of speculation about an imminent new RX10 m2, but that's not yet happened. And when it does, I suspect the excellent lens is the one thing that won't change, just as the RX100 m1 and m2 had the same lens.

i think the RX10's current price is good value, but I don't like the idea of such a large camera with such a small sensor; my tiny RX100 has almost the identical sensor and a usable 26.5-100mm zoom range. But maybe I'll succumb when the RX10 m2 finally arrives?

The best price there GBP654 = AUD$1260, so my $1115 isn't too bad. Local supplier, too. Even better than the eBay Hong Kong offerings, which is very rare. Thought about the FZ1000 but just couldn't convince myself it was as good as the RX10. Another (small) consideration, the RX10 battery is same as my A6000 for which I have many.

 

[Mental Floss]

This may not be in line with how you want to shoot, but I bought a Trancend 32GB SD card that's essentially a little linux computer with WIFI on a SD card. A wee-machine!

My phone (or computer) can connect to the card like it's a WIFI access point (AP) and then connect to the card via FTP, copy off all the images, delete them, and then upload them to my Google Drive.

It keeps checking for new images and handles them as I keep shooting. By the time I get home all my images are already accessible and the card is clean. I can change the checking interval so that I have a chance to review recent images on the camera if need be. (or, I could schedule a once-a-day check to see what images are already online and then delete those from the card, or ultimately whatever works for your shooting/processing routine)

note: I still have to get the card, but from all my research it looks like this system will work okay.

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[PeterWrth]

This may not be in line with how you want to shoot, but I bought a Trancend 32GB SD card that's essentially a little linux computer with WIFI on a SD card. A wee-machine!

My phone (or computer) can connect to the card like it's a WIFI access point (AP) and then connect to the card via FTP, copy off all the images, delete them, and then upload them to my Google Drive.

It keeps checking for new images and handles them as I keep shooting. By the time I get home all my images are already accessible and the card is clean. I can change the checking interval so that I have a chance to review recent images on the camera if need be. (or, I could schedule a once-a-day check to see what images are already online and then delete those from the card, or ultimately whatever works for your shooting/processing routine)

note: I still have to get the card, but from all my research it looks like this system will work okay.

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Incredible stuff. I will check it out. Not sure how my low broadband allowance would manage the volume, but worth a look. I just purchased another card, also Transcend 32gb class 10, but not the same as yours.

Of course, it is not necessary to format after each usage, but the LR import loads all the images on the card with those previously imported greyed out. With say, 300 images on the card, this can take forever. Well, it does for me so maybe I am missing something there too.

But, considering the time it took to process my 36 roll of film, I sometimes question how unreasonably impatient I have become.