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what is a "better DOF"?
you forgot that 10D uses interchangable lenses, which makes it the camera of another level compared to F717.Sometimes this is great (as in the roses image) and sometime
it isn't (as in the wet clamatis image). I love the rich colors of
the 10D. In one case the Sony couldn't handle the red and the 10D
could. I am keeping both cameras.
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Makes me feel very good to have two cool guys (good photographers
too) sticking up for me.
have a ways to go before I can match some of my 717 photos but I
plan to get there. Thanks for the good words. I agree that some
folks just don't have any couth when it comes to making comments.
Thanks for the support. Ann
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Hi Mac, yeah - I saw that info from Pekka yesterday. I did set up my tests as described here - EXCEPT - he didn't actually provide the target - so I went searching and found the one I ended up using. And of course that one I could not shoot from the 2.5 m as Canon suggests because it does overlap with the scale at that distance. So I moved the 50 mm up to 1 m from the target so I did only have the focus line in the box. But maybe that still wasn't enough to get good focus? I don't know what size to make a black box with a white target in the middle as this other test suggests. Stay tuned for the gum on the road test - windy outside today and I don't want the gum rolling down the road . . . lol. Thanks! Cindy
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Thanks for posting those Mac. Very nice portrait of a lovely girl. Her face looks a bit soft, but as you say, that may be intentional. I can see good detail in the corduroy hat and black lace. The flamingo pic is just awesome! I remember that was the pic that impressed me with your frame making talents!
--Hi,
Some people just forget that the Sony and most of the other
consumer cameras do a lot of sharpening in the camera. Applying the
USM is not a big deal.
Regards,
Andreas
I agree, I know there's a DSLR in my future too. Eventually these camera makers are going to offer a deal I can't refuse. More likely sooner than later.
I had looked at his samples and had found some of them a bit soft, but I didn't make note of which lenses were used. Guess I should've checked that :}
It would be nice to apply that level of sharpening. When I do that to my 707 pics I get a lot of very sharp noise. Looks like someone sprinkled sand on the pic, lol. I have had better luck with Xero's Clarity filter.
So, you've been hanging around the Canon forum, eh? From what I have heard that is a dangerous thing to do, lol. On the other hand, I am confident you can hold your own ;-). I've seen you do it! I would like to see the image if you find the link.
That's what I was afraid of. I need to get a lot more paying gigs with my 707 before I can swing a 10D. Sigh....
.--Some examples from my 10D. Note that I exchanged mine yesterday,
and I think some of the front-focus issues I've had are behind me.
These are from old camera. I think that, if the 10D nails the
focus, they sharpen up beautifully. Between my learning and an AOK
10D body, I am fairly confident this is the kind of result I can
consistently expect. Not artistically meaningful, but these make
the point (I think)...
Joe
Like siome others, I tended to like the lower contrast of the 10D
pics and the sharpness of the Sony pics. Obviously, in a perfect
world where I had the money to buy whatever I want (10D with a
selection of high quality glass) it would be great to have both
cameras, but for now, I am still really happy with the pics I am
getting from my 707.
I really am bothered by the softness of the Canon DSLR pics. All
of them - 10D down to the D30. When I have looked in people's
pbase galleries at the pics taken with the Canon DSLR's they all
look soft, and most of these are presumably post processed, unlike
your comparison examples. If someone could post some examples of
10D pics sharpened in PS to their satisfaction and also post what
sharpening settings or technique they used, that would be great and
go a long way toward getting me lusting after a DSLR again.
Roberta's rose was a very nice example.
Ann, thanks again for putting yourself out there by making this
comparison. I am glad you have a thick skin to match the THICK
HEADS of some of the rude posters on your gallery. This is why I
stick to STF. People around here are civilized and can almost
always disagree without being disagreeable :-D.
Lisa
--It's not a scientific comparison with meters and special test
cards. Tonight I decided to take a bunch of pictures with both
cameras of the same subject and see what I got. It was an
interesting experiment. The Sony definitely has better depth of
field. Sometimes this is great (as in the roses image) and sometime
it isn't (as in the wet clamatis image). I love the rich colors of
the 10D. In one case the Sony couldn't handle the red and the 10D
could. I am keeping both cameras.
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/comparison
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Canon S20, Sony S75, F707
--You made me laugh. Almost spit coffee on my keyboard.
learning "the beast" as I am currently calling my 10D. Names for
the 717 never stuck so it is just the 717 but it is fast taking on
a female quality, small, light, sharp...
all guy. Okay, enough silliness here... I am starting to get more
familiar and am learning the ropes. The picture I put in the STF
Challenge exhibition gallery I sharpened even though the focus was
good on it. Just looked and fortunately the numbers were still
there (it was the last thing I worked on) and were 119/1/0. This is
much higher than I'd ever sharpen a Sony and I don't see the white
edges I sometimes get when I oversharpen a Sony image. This is just
one example but I can tell already I can be more heavy-handed with
the unsharp mask with the Canon images. BTW, I think the softness
is from the CMOS sensor as opposed to the CCD.
I'm still feeling like a newby here (can't figure out how to get
the flash to fire in certain modes for example... ) but that is
nothing new for me.
something I need to push out into the unknown again and try
something new. It keeps me feeling young and just a tad unsteady.
LOL
Ann
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