I gotta good feeling...

[Marla2008]

About things to come in mirrorless, and I'm not talking just M4/3 but mirrorless as a whole.

Not dismissing Sony as NEX bodies obviously do it right, but the lens scheme is just wrong from the start and will not get righter. They needed to compromise body tiny size for a mount design that allowed smaller lenses. They bet their money on the wrong end of the operational combo, and that's a foundamental mistake that cannot be corrected. AFAIC Nex is only to be considered using legacy pancake primes thanks to Focus Peaking. I bet other makers will make this feature available before I spend my first Euro on a Nex body....

OTOH, Fuji has my attention, and I mean ALL of it. The existing lenses for the X1 Pro are already capable, and the lens roadmap is sensible, and in a very near future. As a portrait shooter even though I'm enjoying what m4/3 has to offer, the smaller sensor is not my ideal proposition, and I am floored by the IQ I see coming our of both the X100 and X1. I'd bet my boots we'll see a cheaper X mount brody from Fuji in 2013, which will probably address the AF issue of the pro, with maybe a less stylish body and smaller size, all things I'd gladly buy...

Panasonic will not seat on its hands either and they have to do something, besides the GH-3, to counter the EM-5 frenzy...
We're getting there ! It's an exciting time to be a mirrorless user.

Marla (with a bad case of X1 Pro lust, lol).

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

About things to come in mirrorless, and I'm not talking just M4/3 but mirrorless as a whole.

Not dismissing Sony as NEX bodies obviously do it right, but the lens scheme is just wrong from the start and will not get righter. They needed to compromise body tiny size for a mount design that allowed smaller lenses. They bet their money on the wrong end of the operational combo, and that's a foundamental mistake that cannot be corrected. AFAIC Nex is only to be considered using legacy pancake primes thanks to Focus Peaking. I bet other makers will make this feature available before I spend my first Euro on a Nex body....

OTOH, Fuji has my attention, and I mean ALL of it. The existing lenses for the X1 Pro are already capable, and the lens roadmap is sensible, and in a very near future. As a portrait shooter even though I'm enjoying what m4/3 has to offer, the smaller sensor is not my ideal proposition, and I am floored by the IQ I see coming our of both the X100 and X1. I'd bet my boots we'll see a cheaper X mount brody from Fuji in 2013, which will probably address the AF issue of the pro, with maybe a less stylish body and smaller size, all things I'd gladly buy...

Panasonic will not seat on its hands either and they have to do something, besides the GH-3, to counter the EM-5 frenzy...
We're getting there ! It's an exciting time to be a mirrorless user.

Marla (with a bad case of X1 Pro lust, lol).

LOL, another lust, and yes it is an exciting time, I had two Fuji's and the colors are good and Fuji make very good sensors, but ... the problem with the X1 Pro is the AF, a bit slow and missing a shot is not a rare thing, this from some articles and videos

Please have all the lust you want with any camera, but keep the GX1 that already have taken such good images of your daughter

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God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.

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• http://blog.aleo-photo.org

 

[stimmer]

I think it would frustrate the living heck out of you trying to keep up with you daughter though. Not only does it focus slow, but Fuji has a Leica attitude that they don't even care.

I would love to have a Fuji but it just doesnt make an sense really. The only differences with my omd will really start to show up super high isos, and then I have to give up the speed and size and lens selection. And at that price I better not have to compromise anything.

Seems to me like you will not be happy until.you get a camera with no compromises.

 

[palker]

Funnily it was the announcement of the X-Pro1 that got me into the GX1.

I had an X100 and was not happy with: 1. the focus and 2. the fixed lens, however I loved the rest of the camera, especially the viewfinder.

An upgrade to the X-Pro1 seemed to be the answer, but the early comments were about the similar focus, so I researched other cameras, sold the fuji and joined the GX1 camp.

It seems Steve Huff found problems with the X-Pro1 low light focus, so for one I'm glad I picked m4/3.

Like you I'm using the GX1 as a transition into the format, and I have no issue with changing the body if desired. For the moment I'm ok with what I have.

Did you cancel your OM-D?

 

[ayt]

especially considering that I have an Epson R-D1s and it fits a similar role, with much updated technology.

a different type of camera than the E-M5 though (to me at least), and it'll be something I'll have alongside a m43 camera versus as a replacement, if I ever get one.

 

[Marla2008]

Funnily it was the announcement of the X-Pro1 that got me into the GX1.

I had an X100 and was not happy with: 1. the focus and 2. the fixed lens, however I loved the rest of the camera, especially the viewfinder.

An upgrade to the X-Pro1 seemed to be the answer, but the early comments were about the similar focus, so I researched other cameras, sold the fuji and joined the GX1 camp.

It seems Steve Huff found problems with the X-Pro1 low light focus, so for one I'm glad I picked m4/3.

Like you I'm using the GX1 as a transition into the format, and I have no issue with changing the body if desired. For the moment I'm ok with what I have.

Did you cancel your OM-D?

Yes I have, for the moment. Pre-order is not really an issue since they are slowling trickling into stock here in France.

I'm having a renewed love affair with the GX-1 these days. Still getting me frustrated at times when the magenta cast shows up, but it does always, and it's a damn fine camera overall !

I've had many Fujis before, and though they seem to actually enjoy making oddballs, they're usually pretty good ones, we shall see.. I know not everyone sees it but I DO SEE a very real quality difference in the files over M4/3 sensors, probbaly due to the larger size (though shalloweer DOF and more tri-dimensional images) and the lack of AA filter for very fine detail. I'm sure the E-M5 is a fantastic camera knowing myself as I do I doubt not I'll try one within three months, tops (probably earlier than that, the itch is there !). However I truly thoroughly dislike the little E-PM1 I had bought to test Oly waters (boy, I sorta hate that thing) and even though the E-M5 is at the total other end of the Oly spectrum, that has cooled my EM-5 lust quite a bit...

 

[gulffish]

Panasonic will not seat on its hands either and they have to do something, besides the GH-3, to counter the EM-5 frenzy...
We're getting there ! It's an exciting time to be a mirrorless user.

Marla (with a bad case of X1 Pro lust, lol).

You're right, it's an exciting time and it's going to get more exciting and the driver is going to be advances in sensor technology. My bet is that MF3 sensors, in the not to distent future, will equal current FF sensors in terms of overall image performance. And, Fuji is leading the way toward some amazing mirrorless cameras to come.
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Kirk

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

Funnily it was the announcement of the X-Pro1 that got me into the GX1.

Good, that lead you into the GX1

But the X1 Pro have a great sensor

Guess we can have it all on one camera

I had an X100 and was not happy with: 1. the focus and 2. the fixed lens, however I loved the rest of the camera, especially the viewfinder.

An upgrade to the X-Pro1 seemed to be the answer, but the early comments were about the similar focus, so I researched other cameras, sold the fuji and joined the GX1 camp.

It seems Steve Huff found problems with the X-Pro1 low light focus, so for one I'm glad I picked m4/3.

Like you I'm using the GX1 as a transition into the format, and I have no issue with changing the body if desired. For the moment I'm ok with what I have.

Did you cancel your OM-D?

--
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.

• http://aleo-photo.org

• http://blog.aleo-photo.org

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

Funnily it was the announcement of the X-Pro1 that got me into the GX1.

I had an X100 and was not happy with: 1. the focus and 2. the fixed lens, however I loved the rest of the camera, especially the viewfinder.

An upgrade to the X-Pro1 seemed to be the answer, but the early comments were about the similar focus, so I researched other cameras, sold the fuji and joined the GX1 camp.

It seems Steve Huff found problems with the X-Pro1 low light focus, so for one I'm glad I picked m4/3.

Like you I'm using the GX1 as a transition into the format, and I have no issue with changing the body if desired. For the moment I'm ok with what I have.

Did you cancel your OM-D?

Yes I have, for the moment. Pre-order is not really an issue since they are slowling trickling into stock here in France.

I'm having a renewed love affair with the GX-1 these days. Still getting me frustrated at times when the magenta cast shows up, but it does always, and it's a damn fine camera overall !

But you have not corrected that with the AWB fine tuning ? I remember that you mentioned something about those settings, the thing is that as light changes we have to change the settings

And I saw the comparison of the portraits between the Olympus and your Panasonic and the skin tones look almost equal

I've had many Fujis before, and though they seem to actually enjoy making oddballs, they're usually pretty good ones, we shall see.. I know not everyone sees it but I DO SEE a very real quality difference in the files over M4/3 sensors, probbaly due to the larger size (though shalloweer DOF and more tri-dimensional images) and the lack of AA filter for very fine detail. I'm sure the E-M5 is a fantastic camera knowing myself as I do I doubt not I'll try one within three months, tops (probably earlier than that, the itch is there !). However I truly thoroughly dislike the little E-PM1 I had bought to test Oly waters (boy, I sorta hate that thing) and even though the E-M5 is at the total other end of the Oly spectrum, that has cooled my EM-5 lust quite a bit...

--
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.

• http://aleo-photo.org

• http://blog.aleo-photo.org

 

[Aleo Veuliah]

I think it would frustrate the living heck out of you trying to keep up with you daughter though. Not only does it focus slow, but Fuji has a Leica attitude that they don't even care.

I would love to have a Fuji but it just doesnt make an sense really. The only differences with my omd will really start to show up super high isos, and then I have to give up the speed and size and lens selection. And at that price I better not have to compromise anything.

Seems to me like you will not be happy until.you get a camera with no compromises.

Yes it is, I liked the Fuji's I had

A perfect camera ... maybe one day when all brands join in one, and make a camera only with the best from every brand... Unity

Like the French coins say, Liberté, égalité, fraternité

But that is impossible on the cameras market

--
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.

• http://aleo-photo.org

• http://blog.aleo-photo.org

 

[Marla2008]

I think it would frustrate the living heck out of you trying to keep up with you daughter though. Not only does it focus slow, but Fuji has a Leica attitude that they don't even care.

I would love to have a Fuji but it just doesnt make an sense really. The only differences with my omd will really start to show up super high isos, and then I have to give up the speed and size and lens selection. And at that price I better not have to compromise anything.

It must be me but I do see IQ differences that are not negligible between the two, but I assume those will appear more to portrait shooters, having to do with DOF, micro contrast, super fine detail and color rendition...

Seems to me like you will not be happy until.you get a camera with no compromises.

I'm happy with any camera because making pictures is so much fun and such a blessing That being said, the D700 is my dream camera, but now that I've had a taste of the small guys, no going back to the big gun !

 

[Jere Landis]

I think it would frustrate the living heck out of you trying to keep up with you daughter though. Not only does it focus slow, but Fuji has a Leica attitude that they don't even care.

I would love to have a Fuji but it just doesnt make an sense really. The only differences with my omd will really start to show up super high isos, and then I have to give up the speed and size and lens selection. And at that price I better not have to compromise anything.

It must be me but I do see IQ differences that are not negligible between the two, but I assume those will appear more to portrait shooters, having to do with DOF, micro contrast, super fine detail and color rendition...

Seems to me like you will not be happy until.you get a camera with no compromises.

I'm happy with any camera because making pictures is so much fun and such a blessing That being said, the D700 is my dream camera, but now that I've had a taste of the small guys, no going back to the big gun !

Happy with any camera?? !!! Whoa, I don't really think so! The EPM1 and G1X, neither one are you happy with by your own admission!!

 

[Louis_Dobson]

With what you do, and X-Pro1 would be nearly ideal - focusing would be a hassle, but otherwise it is your sort of thing: the lens lack, which is why I'm not going near it, would be no problem for you.

If the X-Pro body took MFT lenses (which of course it can't) I'd buy one like a shot.
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http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

 

[stimmer]

The differences you see are lens aperture related in my humble opinion.

When the 75mm 1.8 comes out it will make a difference.

Having the zuiko 50 and 50-200 I can get the effects I want Most of the time, and if I want to separate the subject from the background I can also do it with lighting.

It's a nice camera but most of the great images you see from any cam are due to a good lens and some photoshop action.

First thing I'm going to do when I bet it is do some portraits and attempt to show what it can do.

The only issue with the Fuji is the slow focus speed and expensive price. I like everything else about it, but I'm convinced I can do all of that very easily with an omd.

FYI, don't let the epm1 give you any idea of an omd. They aren't in the same world really.

 

[Marla2008]

I'm happy with any camera because making pictures is so much fun and such a blessing That being said, the D700 is my dream camera, but now that I've had a taste of the small guys, no going back to the big gun !

Happy with any camera?? !!! Whoa, I don't really think so! The EPM1 and G1X, neither one are you happy with by your own admission!!

Hmm.. I think I AM in the best place to know whether I'm happy or not ? Having a color cast issue with the GX-1 doesn't keep me from loving it, and hating the E-PM1 doesn't even stop me from shooting it ! Believe me, I'm happy

 

[Jere Landis]

I'm happy with any camera because making pictures is so much fun and such a blessing That being said, the D700 is my dream camera, but now that I've had a taste of the small guys, no going back to the big gun !

Happy with any camera?? !!! Whoa, I don't really think so! The EPM1 and G1X, neither one are you happy with by your own admission!!

Hmm.. I think I AM in the best place to know whether I'm happy or not ? Having a color cast issue with the GX-1 doesn't keep me from loving it, and hating the E-PM1 doesn't even stop me from shooting it ! Believe me, I'm happy

Please explain how you can be happy with a camera that delivers a color cast that you hate and to hate a camera that delivers color that you like? The final outcome is what really counts, isn't it. The mechanics of a camera ( knobs, heavy duty body, looks etc. ) give a pride of ownership and a perception of value, understood. If a camera like that doesn't deliver the goods, what good is it?

 

[Louis_Dobson]

All cameras are imperfect, as is life.

I'm happy with any camera because making pictures is so much fun and such a blessing That being said, the D700 is my dream camera, but now that I've had a taste of the small guys, no going back to the big gun !

Happy with any camera?? !!! Whoa, I don't really think so! The EPM1 and G1X, neither one are you happy with by your own admission!!

Hmm.. I think I AM in the best place to know whether I'm happy or not ? Having a color cast issue with the GX-1 doesn't keep me from loving it, and hating the E-PM1 doesn't even stop me from shooting it ! Believe me, I'm happy

Please explain how you can be happy with a camera that delivers a color cast that you hate and to hate a camera that delivers color that you like? The final outcome is what really counts, isn't it. The mechanics of a camera ( knobs, heavy duty body, looks etc. ) give a pride of ownership and a perception of value, understood. If a camera like that doesn't deliver the goods, what good is it?

--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

 

[Brent J]

You mentioned you are a portrait shooter and you say you want a larger sensor than what is in Micro Four-Thirds. My question is "Why"? Are you printing really large?

I ask because I made a series of portraits for my fellow employees and printed them on A3+ paper (13"x19", 330x483mm) and they are simply stunning. The images are actually 12"x18" and framed to 16"x20". The detail is so incredible you can see every skin pore, strand of hair, and thread on clothing. I honestly don't see how any more detail could be possible (or desired).

Oh yeah, the cameras I used to make these portraits were the Oly C8080, E300, and E330. I think all are 8 megapixels and the C8080 uses a smaller sensor than what is in Micro Four-Thirds.

And no, I don't have low standards of what is a good quality printed photo. I just find it strange when I read someone implying that they can't make a good enough image with the current MFT cameras.

 

[Marla2008]

Hmm.. I think I AM in the best place to know whether I'm happy or not ? Having a color cast issue with the GX-1 doesn't keep me from loving it, and hating the E-PM1 doesn't even stop me from shooting it ! Believe me, I'm happy

Please explain how you can be happy with a camera that delivers a color cast that you hate and to hate a camera that delivers color that you like? The final outcome is what really counts, isn't it. The mechanics of a camera ( knobs, heavy duty body, looks etc. ) give a pride of ownership and a perception of value, understood. If a camera like that doesn't deliver the goods, what good is it?

There is much more to IQ and final output than just colors. Yes the GX-1 sometimes (mostly under bright sunshine) will give a magenta cast that is nearly impossible to prevent. As I've written numerous times before, since that has not been reported in any test, but been witnessed and experienced by a few other users, I'm guessing a bad series of cams here, a sample variation thing. I'll do my best to try another unit under similar conditions and see if I can reproduce the problem. If not, a simple switch of units should solve my problem.

There are many things I dislike about the Mini (in fact I dislike just about everything except for how it renders the Reds and Yellows, which is certainly not enough to make me keep it !). It's been listed right now and I'll pack and ship it to its future buyer with a big grin on my face

Overall the GX- is an immensely superior camera (handling, IQ, even AF) and it should be as it has a newer sensor, sits higher in the foodline, with a bigger price tag, etc. No real surprise here.

 

[felixhsieh]

Personally wasn't too impressed from early X1 Pro reviews.

Earlier this year I upgraded to a NEX-7 from my old NEX-5. The 5 was almost two years old already (an eternity in mirrorless evolution), and I wanted something better suited for the first two truly good Sony E lenses. But in the 2-3 months I spent with the NEX-7, I came away sorely disappointed: IQ was excellent, but AF hadn't improved noticably oveer the original 5 (considering how much more we expect from our equipment now). And the build quality wasn't much better either, despite the hefty premium.

I've also spent some time with the X100, which also had mediocre AF performance (and an especially awful MF experience), despite wonderful IQ. So in hearing about the X1 Pro's poor AF (despite the high price), I can't get excited about where the X series is going. The X10's white orb problems doesn't inspire much confidence, either. As with the NEX-7, excellent IQ won't matter if the camera is going to hunt half the time, and mis-focus most of the other half. AF performance really should be at least good for high-end cameras, and especially if the lenses are focus-by-wire.

Fortunately, the E-M5 has made getting rid of my NEX equipment an easy decision. It really is the first mirrorless that (for me) hits all the key areas. It doesn't surpass its competition in any one headline feature -- it's still a smaller FT sensor; still a moderate 16mp; etc -- but it gets all the basics right, and brings some truly useful features to the table (like 5-axis IBIS and weather-proofing) other than just sensor and IQ improvements. And for its price, it actually feels like a solid photography tool rather than an expensive electronic gadget.

If Oly can deliver MFT versions of some of their FT lenses, I would even consider getting a second body, instead of just speculating how they could improve the current model -- although I must admit I am looking forward to see how Oly plans to expand the OM-D line.

Nevertheless, it is exciting to see how each company is contributing to the mirrorless evolution, even if not all products are ones that I would be willing to buy.