Fuji F100 wins group test .

[CAMMASTER]

F 100 wins 880 second place.

F100 a very decent underated camera has won the shootout. I allways though, pity it has not been tested before , sure looks great in black, and cheap in the UK, well worth a look great lens very sharp, very low noise good strong flash, ,and a good focal range 28-140 is my point of view.

I have a Ixus 960is good cam but theres too much noise over 200iso really lets it down. so I might get one of these Fujis F100 to try out.
Rhoda .

 

[Graystar]

I looked at the "Key Spec compared" and thought "the Fuji will win."

 

[borisboomboom]

F 100 wins 880 second place.

what did it win?

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[WT21]

F 100 wins 880 second place.

F100 a very decent underated camera has won the shootout. I allways
though, pity it has not been tested before , sure looks great in
black, and cheap in the UK, well worth a look great lens very sharp,
very low noise good strong flash, ,and a good focal range 28-140 is
my point of view.

I have a Ixus 960is good cam but theres too much noise over 200iso
really lets it down. so I might get one of these Fujis F100 to try
out.
Rhoda .

Hmmm... Not the conclusion I would come to, based on there own results (I have neither of these cameras -- have only read this review).

The Fuji is clearly better in low light. If you want low light -- clearly the best option. But Canon beats in full light by a strong margin, and is much easier to use. However, low light/no flash in the Canon is not so bad, as to allow the Fuji to trump it (IMO).

So, much like the LX3/G10 comparison, DPR shows a strong bias towards high weighting of low-light no flash use. I think they are consistent in this, and that's good, but I just wouldn't weight those factors the same way. I weight ease of use higher, because I hate frustrating cameras. Overall, though, it's nice to see them doing these group reviews. In many ways, these are better for these small cameras than the full reviews on each one. Nice work DPR!

 

[Photofreak7]

I guess the temptation was too great:

"The F100fd shows that those fears were at the very least exaggerated; this is a better specified camera with a far more useful zoom range (28-140mm equiv; the widest here) and better handling, and it still puts 99% of competitors to shame at ISO 800+. Sure, at 100% pixel level it's not as impressive as the F31fd at higher ISOs, but with double the pixel count it looks pretty impressive at normal viewing magnifications (in print, on screen)."

I have considered this camera (F100fd) many times but then the pink banding issue comes up here and it's a no for me.

Matt in PA, U.S.
Canon G10 w/4GB Sandisk Extreme III SD/extra battery
Panasonic FZ28 w/8GB Sandisk Extreme III SD/extra battery
Fuji F31fd w/2x2GB xD ‘H’ cards/2 batteries/Fuji BC-65S charger
http://www.pbase.com/photofreak777/root&page=all
“… talk to God and listen to the casual reply” - John Denver

F 100 wins 880 second place.

F100 a very decent underated camera has won the shootout. I allways
though, pity it has not been tested before , sure looks great in
black, and cheap in the UK, well worth a look great lens very sharp,
very low noise good strong flash, ,and a good focal range 28-140 is
my point of view.

I have a Ixus 960is good cam but theres too much noise over 200iso
really lets it down. so I might get one of these Fujis F100 to try
out.
Rhoda .

 

[marcioferrari]

SD880 for $370???? Everywhere I checked it's cheaper than F100fd.
And they said the SD880 is "quite pricey" on the "we don't like".
it's getting hard to trust on dpreview lately...

 

[Photofreak7]

SD880 for $370???? Everywhere I checked it's cheaper than F100fd.
And they said the SD880 is "quite pricey" on the "we don't like".
it's getting hard to trust on dpreview lately...

That's a very good point -but- price is only one factor in his decision. As far as trusting dpreview goes: be very careful you don't get the mentality (as others have) that the reviewer's here (or anyone else for that matter) are perfect or beyond making errors - we are all faulty at times (enough said)

 

[Adam-T]

the F10/11 and F30 series all had decent sample variation but the F50 / 100 have been terrible, even worse than Canon for side blur issues on a lot of samples .. even DC Rescource were tearing their hair out at getting samples which work properly..

I remember the F50 coming out and the A650IS beating it in every respect, the F100 seems a touch better than the 50 but if I remember rightly, it's still a total P&S type cam with no manual facilities like the F30

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Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

 

[Photofreak7]

the F10/11 and F30 series all had decent sample variation but the F50
/ 100 have been terrible, even worse than Canon for side blur issues
on a lot of samples .. even DC Rescource were tearing their hair out
at getting samples which work properly..
I remember the F50 coming out and the A650IS beating it in every
respect, the F100 seems a touch better than the 50 but if I remember
rightly, it's still a total P&S type cam with no manual facilities
like the F30

Actually I had the F50fd and it had oodles of resolution (similiar to the G10) -but- blue noise (and NR) was an issue and anything above ISO400 wasn't great IMO. And yes no manual control - that's another reason I passed on the F100fd. In fact I think the F40fd is better in some ways (but zoom range) but even it's still a bit worse than the F31fd (at higher ISO's) with again no real manual mode... Matt

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Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

 

[Jay Aquino]

Best range, best ISO performance, best price.

Jay

 

[Frenchy]

the same way. I weight ease of use higher, because I hate frustrating
cameras. Overall, though, it's nice to see them doing these group
reviews. In many ways, these are better for these small cameras than
the full reviews on each one. Nice work DPR!

If you read the full conclusion, you would see that Dpreview agrees with you. The recommended camera is the Canon 880 for the exact reason you give: it's slicker, more attractive and easier to use while being easier to carry.

They gave the overall win to the Fuji on image quality, but their main recommendation for a P&S goes to the canon. For the discerning photographer that wants the absolute best image quality, the fuji would be a better fit.

People read what they want in those reviews and take it personally if their cameras or brands dont come on top. Most dont understand that there is rarely a clear winner, it usually depends on what you will use the camera for, how and what is important for YOU.

 

[theranman]

I think it was an absolutely FANTASTIC review. Simple, clear, concise.
I think I'll be going with the Canon for the following reasons:

In no particular order;

Ease of use
Larger LCD
WAY more participation in Canon Forum than Fuji
Color swap capability
Easier panorama stitching
Face detection when new face enters scene
No pink band issues

Had the Fuji not had the pink band issue, I "probably" would still go for the Canon due to its ease of use, but the decision would definitely have been harder.

 

[WT21]

the same way. I weight ease of use higher, because I hate frustrating
cameras. Overall, though, it's nice to see them doing these group
reviews. In many ways, these are better for these small cameras than
the full reviews on each one. Nice work DPR!

If you read the full conclusion, you would see that Dpreview agrees
with you. The recommended camera is the Canon 880 for the exact
reason you give: it's slicker, more attractive and easier to use
while being easier to carry.
They gave the overall win to the Fuji on image quality, but their
main recommendation for a P&S goes to the canon. For the discerning
photographer that wants the absolute best image quality, the fuji
would be a better fit.

People read what they want in those reviews and take it personally if
their cameras or brands dont come on top. Most dont understand that
there is rarely a clear winner, it usually depends on what you will
use the camera for, how and what is important for YOU.

Ummm... I don't see where DPR "agrees with me" (not that they need to -- I have neither camera, and am not protecting my own purchase decision). I've re-read the conclusion, and they call the SD880 "highly recommended" and the Fjui the overall winner. Where do they say the SD880 actually comes out on top, or that it is "the" recommended camera instead of "highly recommended" (which is the same badge the Fuji bears, too).

The closest I see is:

"For many users it will actually be a better choice than the Fuji - which beats it by a whisker - simply because it's a camera you're more likely to actually want to use." But they still say the Fuji wins.

Still, I think this is a great review format for the compacts. Way to go DPR!

 

[noirdesir]

SD880 for $370???? Everywhere I checked it's cheaper than F100fd.
And they said the SD880 is "quite pricey" on the "we don't like".
it's getting hard to trust on dpreview lately...

Price it about the only criteria that is used in the review that (a) can change a lot rapidly and (b) every user can very easily re-evaluate.

(1) It is absolutely obvious that price was only a pretty minor factor in evaluation of the cameras (within a given group) and was not really used to decide the merits of each camera. It was mainly added as an additional comment about each camera.

(2) If you are not able to mentally adjust a review or its conclusion to a modified price, you'd better let others chose what camera you should buy. (I cannot but read your comment like this, you question judgements by the reviewers which are based on clearly presented evidence and their only partially subjective perception of things like speed, accuracy, user interface on the reporting of one number which is known to vary drastically with location and time.)

 

[bestco]

It seems to me the Fuji F100 unit Dpreview tested has some IQ issue, for instance,

The crops in Dpreview's comparison suggested both cameras have similar IQ, however, if you take a different spot from the same two images, it tells a different story, take a look here:

Canon SD880



Fuji F100



clearly the Canon SD880 testing unit has more even IQ throughout the entire image, which the Fuji F100 image shows certain spots being blurrier.

 

[bestco]

it's about $250 on major sites like Amazon or Dell, Dell just had this camera for sale at $200 after instant discount a day ago.

 

[photogeek]

Given that "pink banding" pretty much only shows up at ISO800 and above, this is not much of an issue. The current crop of Canons turn into pumpkins well below ISO800. My SD880IS sure does.

 

[marcioferrari]

Dear noirdesir,

(1) So you are saying that dpreview is correct in doing a wrong review and I'm wrong for pointing it?

(2) I read all the review and decided for SD880, but I guess many people can read just the first page and decide for other camera based on the chart with the wrong price.

(3) dpreview already changed the price, so this discussion is pointless. Note that SD880 dropped from the most expensive from the group to the cheaper one. Do you think it's a minor factor?

(4) If you are not mentally able to understand that incorrect info can lead to wrong decisions, you should let others write comments on discussion forums for you.

SD880 for $370???? Everywhere I checked it's cheaper than F100fd.
And they said the SD880 is "quite pricey" on the "we don't like".
it's getting hard to trust on dpreview lately...

Price it about the only criteria that is used in the review that (a)
can change a lot rapidly and (b) every user can very easily
re-evaluate.

(1) It is absolutely obvious that price was only a pretty minor
factor in evaluation of the cameras (within a given group) and was
not really used to decide the merits of each camera. It was mainly
added as an additional comment about each camera.
(2) If you are not able to mentally adjust a review or its conclusion
to a modified price, you'd better let others chose what camera you
should buy. (I cannot but read your comment like this, you question
judgements by the reviewers which are based on clearly presented
evidence and their only partially subjective perception of things
like speed, accuracy, user interface on the reporting of one number
which is known to vary drastically with location and time.)

 

[noirdesir]

Dear noirdesir,
(1) So you are saying that dpreview is correct in doing a wrong
review and I'm wrong for pointing it?

You are fully correct for pointing it out. You are in the wrong for flatly accusing dpreview for being untrustworthy. If you had added only a few words, we would not have this discussion at all: 'it's getting hard to trust on dpreview lately ON THE PRICES THEY LIST...'

(2) I read all the review and decided for SD880, but I guess many
people can read just the first page and decide for other camera based
on the chart with the wrong price.

If I read only one page of a review, it is would be the conclusions page. What would be the point of reading a review when you only look at information that you could gather on your own very quickly without any review.

(4) If you are not mentally able to understand that incorrect info
can lead to wrong decisions, you should let others write comments on
discussion forums for you.

If a price difference in the order of $100 will be relevant in your buying decision, I fully assume that you would check the actual best deals you could get anyway before making a decision.

 

[mcshan]

-- I had the Fuji F100 and had to get rid of it. Pink banding WAS a real problem and worse than it has been stated. It was clearly a defect and I would wait for Fuji to replace the F100. I am hoping the new line lives up to the hype and makes the F100 a discount camera.

We have to be careful not to let the F100 get built up into something great. I feel like over time Fuji has been able to pull the wool over people's eyes. It was a very flawed camera. Perhaps potential buyers should go back an read old threads about it.

Just one more opinion in the mix.