Anti-Pedophile Terror - fresh air from Pop Photo

[Diopter]

There is no state in the U.S. without horror stories about investigative powers ruining last years of life of the grandparents photographing their grandchildren, Junior High girls humiliated for playing with the cell phones at a slumber party, and computer technicians forced to surround their clients hard discs.

Open-minded, well written article by Neal Matthews in the latest issue of the "Popular Photography" (June '07 http://www.popphoto.com ) does not bring anything new to the problem, however quoted cases of the power misuse are horrifying - as always. It is first high circulation - mainstream magazine in the U.S. trying to defend our civil rights to the peace of mind in this particular field. Will another media superpowers take the same direction?

 

[tko]

than gun owners.

 

[brent collins]

Photography is FILLED with perverts, scum and pedophiles. Post a picture on these forums of an ugly guy or girl and you get nothing. Now post an attractive woman dressed in very little watch and what you get..."man she's hot...I wish I had her...you're so lucky....and I could go on and on. Photographers are their own worst enemy. I had to go as far as putting a password on a page of my site due to other so called photographers (from these forums) sending me emails about this babe or that babe. Yes, it stinks that the honest ones are now just as suspect as the scum, but that is the way of the world. I don't blame the police, I blame the actual pervs and pedophile who ruin it for all. And in the end I believe that if you are innocent you can certainly prove it. As for the Grandparents being ruined??? All I can say is that age has little to do with who is and who is not a sex predator or pervert. I worked in a deli during college and what appeared to be a nice old man and his wife would come in several times a week and the old guy would try to grab my crotch every time. I can only imagine what happened top his Grandchildren. I reported him to my boss, but who knows what happened from there. This was 20 years ago so I don't see this as a recent issue. Look on the bright side, maybe there are more guilty ones caught because of the awareness.?

Brent
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[nbercasio]

Do you have the link to the article? I could not find it.
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[dipics]

Photography is FILLED with perverts, scum and pedophiles. Post a
picture on these forums of an ugly guy or girl and you get nothing.
Now post an attractive woman dressed in very little watch and what
you get..."man she's hot...I wish I had her...you're so
lucky....and I could go on and on. Photographers are their own
worst enemy. I had to go as far as putting a password on a page of
my site due to other so called photographers (from these forums)
sending me emails about this babe or that babe. Yes, it stinks
that the honest ones are now just as suspect as the scum, but that
is the way of the world. I don't blame the police, I blame the
actual pervs and pedophile who ruin it for all. And in the end I
believe that if you are innocent you can certainly prove it. As
for the Grandparents being ruined??? All I can say is that age has
little to do with who is and who is not a sex predator or pervert.
I worked in a deli during college and what appeared to be a nice
old man and his wife would come in several times a week and the old
guy would try to grab my crotch every time. I can only imagine
what happened top his Grandchildren. I reported him to my boss,
but who knows what happened from there. This was 20 years ago so I
don't see this as a recent issue. Look on the bright side, maybe
there are more guilty ones caught because of the awareness.?

Oh horsepuke! Photographers are no more likely than any other profession or hobby to be perverts. Pretending that the presence of a camera is any indication that the person wielding it is a paedophile has all the validity of entrail reading as a predictor of the stock market.

You say that if you are "innocent you can certainly prove it". This says more about your lack of logical thought on this than it does about reality. I'll give you a great example. Prove to me that you aren't a paedophile. Right now. Tell me exactly how you would account for every moment of your life to prove that you DIDN'T molest a random kid.

That is called proving a negative and it is generally thought of as impossible. It is why the burden of proof lies with the prosecutor, they have to prove that you did something, not the other way around.

DIPics

 

[brent collins]

Photography is FILLED with perverts, scum and pedophiles. Post a
picture on these forums of an ugly guy or girl and you get nothing.
Now post an attractive woman dressed in very little watch and what
you get..."man she's hot...I wish I had her...you're so
lucky....and I could go on and on. Photographers are their own
worst enemy. I had to go as far as putting a password on a page of
my site due to other so called photographers (from these forums)
sending me emails about this babe or that babe. Yes, it stinks
that the honest ones are now just as suspect as the scum, but that
is the way of the world. I don't blame the police, I blame the
actual pervs and pedophile who ruin it for all. And in the end I
believe that if you are innocent you can certainly prove it. As
for the Grandparents being ruined??? All I can say is that age has
little to do with who is and who is not a sex predator or pervert.
I worked in a deli during college and what appeared to be a nice
old man and his wife would come in several times a week and the old
guy would try to grab my crotch every time. I can only imagine
what happened top his Grandchildren. I reported him to my boss,
but who knows what happened from there. This was 20 years ago so I
don't see this as a recent issue. Look on the bright side, maybe
there are more guilty ones caught because of the awareness.?

Oh horsepuke! Photographers are no more likely than any other
profession or hobby to be perverts. Pretending that the presence
of a camera is any indication that the person wielding it is a
paedophile has all the validity of entrail reading as a predictor
of the stock market.

I never said anything about other professions. I said photographers are their own worst enemy

You say that if you are "innocent you can certainly prove it".
This says more about your lack of logical thought on this than it
does about reality. I'll give you a great example. Prove to me
that you aren't a paedophile. Right now. Tell me exactly how you
would account for every moment of your life to prove that you
DIDN'T molest a random kid.

I'm innocent until proven guilty and if I were accused there would be ZERO proof that I'm a pedophile. My proof is relying on the fact that there is NO proof otherwise. You are right though the burden is not on me. So in the end I don't worry about it.

That is called proving a negative and it is generally thought of as
impossible. It is why the burden of proof lies with the
prosecutor, they have to prove that you did something, not the
other way around.

Right and if they can't (because there is no proof) then I can go about my business.

What stuns me is the total lack of concern for the possible victims. It's all about our right...blah, blah, blah! What about the photographers who ARE pervs and pedophiles? Guess what? They are out there by the truckload!

DIPics

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[brent collins]

Would someone please tell me a story of a person they know (not a third hand tale) but some actual person they know who's life was RUINED over a suspected photoraphy/pedophile charge? I'm sure there are true accounts, but I'm fairly certain it's not the epidemic painted by so many.
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[Playsinthedirt]

Photography is FILLED with perverts, scum and pedophiles. Post a
picture on these forums of an ugly guy or girl and you get nothing.
Now post an attractive woman dressed in very little watch and what
you get..."man she's hot...I wish I had her...you're so
lucky....and I could go on and on.

Have you ever checked-out the "Retouch Forum?" People from all over the world send in photos of people (women - men & families) to have the experts there work on them to bring them to their full potential. Some of the photos show some beautiful women, some of them are butt ugly, but I've never seen where the experts on that forum have refused to help someone out with a photo, or made any snide comments no matter what the individual looks like.

Now I don't know about you, but myself I appreciate looking at a beautiful woman who has a fantastic figure and enjoys flaunting it. Does that make me a pervert, hardly, IMO it's perfectly normal. But I also enjoy looking at photos of "Anyone" (man or woman or young person) where the shot has the right composition and exposure. I enjoy all aspects of photography, but is there a pervert lurking behind every lens, not any more so than any other person involved in a hobby/business.

IMO I feel that you're off the mark in your statement.

Greg

http://www.fairtax.org

 

[dipics]

Photography is FILLED with perverts, scum and pedophiles. Post a
picture on these forums of an ugly guy or girl and you get nothing.
Now post an attractive woman dressed in very little watch and what
you get..."man she's hot...I wish I had her...you're so
lucky....and I could go on and on. Photographers are their own
worst enemy. I had to go as far as putting a password on a page of
my site due to other so called photographers (from these forums)
sending me emails about this babe or that babe. Yes, it stinks
that the honest ones are now just as suspect as the scum, but that
is the way of the world. I don't blame the police, I blame the
actual pervs and pedophile who ruin it for all. And in the end I
believe that if you are innocent you can certainly prove it. As
for the Grandparents being ruined??? All I can say is that age has
little to do with who is and who is not a sex predator or pervert.
I worked in a deli during college and what appeared to be a nice
old man and his wife would come in several times a week and the old
guy would try to grab my crotch every time. I can only imagine
what happened top his Grandchildren. I reported him to my boss,
but who knows what happened from there. This was 20 years ago so I
don't see this as a recent issue. Look on the bright side, maybe
there are more guilty ones caught because of the awareness.?

Oh horsepuke! Photographers are no more likely than any other
profession or hobby to be perverts. Pretending that the presence
of a camera is any indication that the person wielding it is a
paedophile has all the validity of entrail reading as a predictor
of the stock market.

I never said anything about other professions. I said
photographers are their own worst enemy

And I say that they aren't. There are many honest photographers out there who are fine upstanding members of their community. How are these photographers their own worst enemy?

You say that if you are "innocent you can certainly prove it".
This says more about your lack of logical thought on this than it
does about reality. I'll give you a great example. Prove to me
that you aren't a paedophile. Right now. Tell me exactly how you
would account for every moment of your life to prove that you
DIDN'T molest a random kid.

I'm innocent until proven guilty and if I were accused there would
be ZERO proof that I'm a pedophile. My proof is relying on the
fact that there is NO proof otherwise. You are right though the
burden is not on me. So in the end I don't worry about it.

That's an interesting change from your last post. In it you said that if you were innocent you could prove it. Well, you can't. There is no proof whatsoever that you aren't a pervert. My stand is that they cannot even ACCUSE you unless they have evidence. Until I am presented with evidence that I did some criminal act, it is my right NOT to be treated as a suspect.

That is called proving a negative and it is generally thought of as
impossible. It is why the burden of proof lies with the
prosecutor, they have to prove that you did something, not the
other way around.

Right and if they can't (because there is no proof) then I can go
about my business.

As can all the photographers in all the playgrounds around.

What stuns me is the total lack of concern for the possible
victims. It's all about our right...blah, blah, blah! What about
the photographers who ARE pervs and pedophiles? Guess what? They
are out there by the truckload!

How many truckloads of perv photographers have you ever seen? The vast majority of photographers aren't any more perverted than members of any other profession. Pretending otherwise is just wasting precious resources that could be better spent chasing actual criminals. And, since the resources ARE being wasted by fools that think that photographer=pervert, it is THIS type of person that is doing a disservice to the victims of the actual pervs.

DIPics

 

[dipics]

I have a better one for you. Please tell us a story of a photographer near you that, after being questioned by police because he was shooting photos at a park with children in it, ended up being convicted of child porn charges.

DIPics

Would someone please tell me a story of a person they know (not a
third hand tale) but some actual person they know who's life was
RUINED over a suspected photoraphy/pedophile charge? I'm sure
there are true accounts, but I'm fairly certain it's not the
epidemic painted by so many.
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[Diopter]

I am a subscriber, so I found the hard copy in my mailbox yesterday. Again: June 2007, page 77-79. Probably a well mantained newstand will be the best...

 

[corsec67]

http://www.popphoto.com/popularphotographyfeatures/4130/how-a-photo-can-ruin-your-life.html
The article
(It is the 4th hightlight, at the moment)
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It isn't that I like taking pictures, I just like playing with my camera; photos are just a side-effect.

 

[Diopter]

Thank you for your help.

http://www.popphoto.com/popularphotographyfeatures/4130/how-a-photo-can-ruin-your-life.html is the correct link.

Test-question to everybody: do you feel secure in saving the article to your HD, including photo?
(-)

 

[igb]

Yes, it stinks
that the honest ones are now just as suspect as the scum, but that
is the way of the world. I don't blame the police, I blame the
actual pervs and pedophile who ruin it for all. And in the end I
believe that if you are innocent you can certainly prove it. As
for the Grandparents being ruined??? All I can say is that age has
little to do with who is and who is not a sex predator or pervert.
I worked in a deli during college and what appeared to be a nice
old man and his wife would come in several times a week and the old
guy would try to grab my crotch every time. I can only imagine
what happened top his Grandchildren.

I'm sure that if his grandchildren were old enough to go to college, Grandpa got beaten more than once.

I reported him to my boss,
but who knows what happened from there. This was 20 years ago so I
don't see this as a recent issue. Look on the bright side, maybe
there are more guilty ones caught because of the awareness.?

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My Galleries: http://webs.ono.com/igonzalezbordes/index.html

 

[dh steffi]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

 

[dipics]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the
soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for
perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not
proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

If innocence is not proven eh? Well, can you prove to us where you were the night that Jon Bennet (or however she spelled her name) was murdered? If not, we hereby find you guilty. Which town square should we use?

DIPics

 

[DStan]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the
soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for
perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not
proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

If innocence is not proven eh? Well, can you prove to us where you
were the night that Jon Bennet (or however she spelled her name)
was murdered? If not, we hereby find you guilty. Which town square
should we use?

I'll bet dh wasn't surfing the net for porn, but instead at home reading the good book
--
Stan ;o()



In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

 

[dipics]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the
soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for
perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not
proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

If innocence is not proven eh? Well, can you prove to us where you
were the night that Jon Bennet (or however she spelled her name)
was murdered? If not, we hereby find you guilty. Which town square
should we use?

I'll bet dh wasn't surfing the net for porn, but instead at home
reading the good book

Sure she was, but was she reading the approved version? Can she prove it? Off with her head!

DIPics

 

[Jakes]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the
soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for
perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not
proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

If innocence is not proven eh? Well, can you prove to us where you
were the night that Jon Bennet (or however she spelled her name)
was murdered? If not, we hereby find you guilty. Which town square
should we use?

I'll bet dh wasn't surfing the net for porn, but instead at home
reading the good book
--
Stan ;o()



In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

Probably the bible.
--
jakes

 

[dh steffi]

Happy you brought this up again, I pesonally am frustrated by the
soft penalties. If guilty, I would favour the death penalty for
perverts, not in a jail lbut on a city square. If ínnocence is not
proven 1005; no mercy for the criminal.
--
Windmills, just do it.

If innocence is not proven eh? Well, can you prove to us where you
were the night that Jon Bennet (or however she spelled her name)
was murdered? If not, we hereby find you guilty. Which town square
should we use?

I'll bet dh wasn't surfing the net for porn, but instead at home
reading the good book
--
Stan ;o()



In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

I have come to realize that the Good Book does not offer a solution for all sinners. It is time to get rid off them for once and all the right way.
--
Windmills, just do it.